[NAGDU] {Spam?} Re: Taking really long walks

Caitlyn Furness caitlyn.furness at gmail.com
Wed Apr 27 14:26:10 UTC 2016 

Jeanine,
Yup, I have one now.  You can fake a stumble or fall once, then she’s got your number!!  fortunately for me, she is also sensitive and does care a great deal about my well being, so I’ve only had to do the faking a couple of times in different areas-mostly for over heads and one really weird place with loose gravel and tree roots..

Caitlyn

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Jenine Stanley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lisa, sorry, behind on this thread but your description of faking a fall or bump is exactly what we will sometimes tell a handler to do to get the dog to understand that it must slow down or be careful. 
> 
> It’s like when you git a tree branch and make a big deal of it, not with excessive physical corrections but with exaggerated movements and noise. Same for ice or snow or leaves, places you want the dog to slow down. 
> 
> Then again, there are dogs who can’t be guilt tripped out. I had one of those. 
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I sure wish Krokus was better about those parallel cracks.  That's where I
>> really fell, taking a bad step on a parallel crack.  Krokus does not do so
>> well with those.
>> I used not to fall a lot, though I've always had weak ankles.  But, for some
>> reason, as I get older, I don't catch myself as well when I stumble, and
>> sometimes I fall down.  My older friends say it's the same for them.  It's a
>> drag getting old, but it beats the alternative.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 9:22 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Danielle Sykora
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] {Spam?} Re: Taking really long walks
>> 
>> Interesting. I feel like my dog does a really good job with uneven surfaces.
>> We have some of those uneven sidewalks mostly due to tree roots around here
>> as well and I take my dog hiking about every other month and he does a
>> fantastic job of distinguishing what we can just walk over, when we need to
>> walk a little more slowly, and what requires an actual stop/pause. Sure,
>> Thai did improve over the first six months or so home as the bonding and
>> maturity kicked in, but he even did a good job during class. I remember one
>> particular walk during class where the trainer specifically talked about how
>> Thai was supposed to not only be careful of cracks that cut across the
>> sidewalk perpendicular to my line of travel, but also those that run
>> parallel to the sidewalk. Stopping for changes in elevation has always been
>> one of the tasks that my dog excels at, but I'm not really one to fall in
>> the first place. Obviously I don't have anything to compare to though with
>> Thai being my first dog.
>> 
>> Danielle and Thai
>> 
>> On 4/27/16, Lisa Belville via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hey there, Dan, Lisa with the other GDA P Dog.
>>> 
>>> Yep, couldn't agree more.  I feel like I'm going into "Old Fart" Mode, 
>>> but it really does seem that there's less attention to fine guiding 
>>> detail then
>>> 
>>> there was when I got my first dog 20 years ago.  I think it's an 
>>> across the
>>> 
>>> board thing and not a school specific thing.
>>> 
>>> Paige is very careful with large cracks or just chunky side walks.  It 
>>> helped that I tripped and did fall once with her during training, so 
>>> she got
>>> 
>>> instant feedback from me and her primary trainer at the time.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure if any school would ever go on record as recommending 
>>> this, but
>>> 
>>> I've heard tales of people faking out the dog by making it seem like 
>>> they've
>>> 
>>> fallen or Benn slammed into something by the dog and then really 
>>> lathering on the correction, not necessarily just leash ones, but 
>>> really guilt tripping the dog.
>>> 
>>> Lisa
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lisa Belville
>>> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
>>> 
>>> Never make the same mistake twice. There are so many new ones, try a 
>>> different one each day.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dan Weiner via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 7:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Taking really long walks
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> That's an interesting question, Tracey...I have noticed last few 
>>>> times around at guide dog school that the dogs were not careful about 
>>>> stopping for changes of surface or cracks at all, all right, every 
>>>> little crack, that's
>>>> 
>>>> a
>>>> judgment ccall maybe but changes in surface could be a problem or 
>>>> little steps or raised or falling areas.  I've worked wit my pups 
>>>> when I get home an dwe have a happy medium but I have wondered about 
>>>> that, I don't think my memory was failing me, I thin that 22 years 
>>>> ago when I got my first dog the dogs were made to be more careful.
>>>> What do you think?
>>>> 
>>>> Dan the man with Parker the nut
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy 
>>>> Carcione via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 8:24 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Taking really long walks
>>>> 
>>>> I got scraped up, but nothing broken, and now he's more careful.
>>>> My neighborhood has a lot of cracked sidewalks because we have a lot 
>>>> of large trees.  Trees are good; cracked sidewalks not so much.
>>>> My dogs have all had to learn how to operate here.  If they stopped 
>>>> for every crack, we'd never get anywhere, but, if they don't stop for 
>>>> the worst ones, I trip.  I suppose I could learn to goose-step, 
>>>> picking my feet way up, but I would feel ridiculous.  So my guys 
>>>> learn what will trip me, and what probably won't.
>>>> I was happy to find a whole section of sidewalk the town had repaired.
>>>> Wish
>>>> they'd do more, but people around here are more interested in streets 
>>>> than sidewalks.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina 
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 4:46 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Taking really long walks
>>>> 
>>>> Original I am so sorry you fell.
>>>> I hope you didn't brake anything.
>>>> Maybe the next time you go to that area, your dog will slow down.
>>>> Wishing you the best.
>>>> message:
>>>>> The fall is not OK, but there is no foolproof travel method. I 
>>>>> missed a turn in a slanted and broken curb the other day and fell. I 
>>>>> have fallen using my dog, too. It happens. What is not OK for me is 
>>>>> if it happens because the dog is distracted by, say, other dogs.
>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star 
>>>>> Gazer via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 2:02 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Taking really long walks
>>>> 
>>>>>                       The fall would not be ok with me. I know, 
>>>>> easy for me to say since I don't have any emotions invested in the 
>>>>> two of you.
>>>>> Is his pace comfortable for you?
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy 
>>>>> Carcione via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 1:44 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Taking really long walks
>>>> 
>>>>> The hiker says he works his dog 10-15 miles every day.  I was 
>>>>> thinking about that.  His dog must have a good pace, or he's got a 
>>>>> lot of free time.  Maybe he counts it as work time, keeping in shape for
>> hiking.
>>>> 
>>>>> Krokus takes about 90 minutes to go 3 miles, though that includes 
>>>>> many street crossings and a lot of cracked sidewalks.  Even so, he's 
>>>>> a bit more of a stroller than I'd prefer.  On the other hand, I have 
>>>>> tripped over a big crack and landed hard, which isn't any fun at all.
>>>> 
>>>>> I think Krokus is just a guy who needs some time to react.  He can 
>>>>> dodge someone rushing out from a shop we're passing, but he'd prefer 
>>>>> to have some time to plan his moves.  Or maybe I'm making excuses 
>>>>> for his
>>>> ambling self.
>>>> 
>>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
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