[NAGDU] Knowing where I am, was leader dog for the blind denile

Tracy Carcione carcione at access.net
Tue Aug 23 14:35:05 UTC 2016 

I understand what Dar was saying.  When she was in class, she wasn't too
concerned about learning the street names, because she wouldn't be in that
town very long.  I did the same, last time I was in Morristown.  My
trainer said from the get-go that she didn't care if we memorized the
routes, because she would be around anyway, and we had more important
things to be thinking about than street names.  I couldn't agree more.

I didn't know the street names in my neighborhood for years.  I knew the
main ones, and just called the others 1, 2, 3, ....  If I got lost walking
around, I'd ask someone which way was the main street, or head toward
where I thought it was.  And I still get, and give, directions like "It's
on the CVS block", or "It's right before Amazing Savings."  Now I have
GPS, I've learned some of the street names.  It's useful, but not
essential.
Tracy

> When I was at pilot they asked me what street was I on, my reply was I
> have no clue.
> Also said I asked if I could use the gps where they said no.
> I also shared for only being there for two weeks I wasn't going to worry
> about the street I was on.
> They asked me if the streets had names on them at home.
> My reply was, well now, the last time I was home they did, sure hope I
> have the same again when I get home again.
> Yes we get out there and walk.
> We don't do much down town, don't have much to go to.
> We still get out for walks though.
>
>
> Dar
> Every Saint has a past,
> Every sinner has a future, Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 7:15 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> John:
>>
>> I agree with Steve.  Last year you had problems with Pilot and since
>> then
>> you have been denied by other schools.  Everyone says the problem is
>> your
>> O&M skills so, that is what you should be doing now, not applying to get
>> a
>> dog.  If you do not know how to get somewhere and where you are then you
>> cannot correctly work a guide dog.  I have never attended any of the NFB
>> Training Centers but I have heard from other people that they are
>> excellent.
>> Once you leave them you should be a confident cane traveler wih all the
>> skills you will need.  I urge you to give it some serious consideration.
>>  I
>> am sure your local NFB officers can put you in touch with the right
>> people
>> to help you apply to one of the training centers.  Good luck in the
>> future
>> and I do hope that someday you get the skills you need to travel safely
>> whether it be with a cane or a guide dog.
>>
>> Sandra and Pilot Dog, Eva
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steven Johnson via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 6:42 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Steven Johnson
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] leader dog for the blind denile
>>
>> John, if Leader Dog denied you, the chances that another program will do
>> the
>> same until these issues are addressed.  Leader has been known to give
>> applicants a *chance* that other programs might not, so the best thing
>> you
>> can do is heed their advice.  The Leader Dog AMP program is good, but
>> what
>> might be best is to get a thorough O&M training, and then move forward
>> from
>> there.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
>> via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:11 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Aleeha Dudley
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] leader dog for the blind denile
>>
>> John,
>> If the school says that you need to work on your orientation and
>> mobility
>> skills, take that to heart. Perhaps attending a training center might be
>> of
>> interest to you? Keeping a fairly consistent speed is important when
>> working
>> a dog so as not to cause doubt in the dogâ?Ts mind as to your direction
>> and
>> intentions. Getting an instructor visit from the Seeing Eye might help
>> you a
>> lot in terms of knowing what you need to work on if they do not accept
>> you.
>> It is hard for someone to determine simply from your video exactly the
>> skills you possess.
>> I am working with my second Seeing Eye dog now, and I believe that they
>> do a
>> great job assessing their clients before they even et to campus. It is
>> important that you can navigate competently and safely around your
>> environment, as well as those that may not be familiar to you. You need
>> to
>> be able to cross streets safely, even those that you do not know. You
>> need t
>> be able to get yourself out of a situation if you get lost or you
>> donâ?Tt
>> know for sure where you are.
>> I hope some of this information is helpful to you.
>> Aleeha and Whitley
>>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 11:13 AM, John Sanders via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> All they would say that my problem solving skills need to get better.
>>> and
>>> I need to work on my street crossing skills.
>>>
>>> I only messed up one time during the video on a street crossing.
>>>
>>> I did pretty well on the others.
>>>
>>> The only other thing they said was that I need to work on my mobility
>>> skills.
>>>
>>> And I can't get any additional mobility training because the blind
>>> agency
>>> here in Michigan doesn't think I need it.
>>> They won't spend anymore money on it.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking about applying to GDF or the seeing eye.
>>>
>>> I've heard those are pretty good schools.
>>>
>>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> John Sanders
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 8/17/2016 7:44 AM, Andy B. via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Last I knew, the trainers were supposed to match you with a dog that
>>>> fit
>>>> your walking pace and lifestyle. Strange that they would refuse on
>>>> walking speed. Might it be something else they might not be telling?
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 7:37 AM, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah I was also confused by that.
>>>>> The only time I'm slow is when I'm on the phone or shopping lol.
>>>>> Otherwise Doc and I are what my trainer called Medium Fast.
>>>>> Best wishes to you.
>>>>> Nancy & Doc
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 5:40 AM, Lisie Foster via NAGDU
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry you weren't accepted at Leader Dogs,  but  wishing you
>>>>>> luck
>>>>>> with The Seeing Eye and GDF!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder what Guide Dogs of America meant by walking at a "normal
>>>>>> speed"? My dog and I both have completely natural, and matching,
>>>>>> fast
>>>>>> walking paces. Whether I'm walking alone, with a cane, or with my
>>>>>> dog,
>>>>>> I just tend to walk quickly and always have. I hope that wouldn't be
>>>>>> grounds for rejection sometime in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lisie and her Speedy Mr Golden
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lisiefoster at yahoo.com
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:36 PM, John Sanders via NAGDU
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> I just thought that I would write to let you know that I didn't get
>>>>>>> excepted in to Leader Dogs guide dog school.
>>>>>>> I'm looking at the seeing eye.
>>>>>>> I've heard from Guide dogs of America. and they said that I need to
>>>>>>> keep my walking at a normal walking speed.
>>>>>>> I was nervous and have a habit of walking quickly.
>>>>>>> The two schools I'm now looking at are the Seeing eye and Guide dog
>>>>>>> foundation.
>>>>>>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> John Sanders
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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