[NAGDU] leader dog for the blind denile

Dan Weiner dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
Thu Aug 18 16:30:52 UTC 2016 

Well basically, sighted folks never seem to know street names, or East or
West. That's sometimes not true but I'm generalizing.
I like to know street names and all of that stuff, but sometimes there are
streets with no name, like a horse with no name I suppose--smile

The more info you have about your area though, the better off you'll be of
course.
I suppose what you need to know is not necessarily names, but have some idea
how to get somewhere, anywhere, even if it means walking around a block or a
route you like to walk or would like to walk or a shopping mall, anything.

Good luck to everyone out there.

Dan the man, Parker the nut
 

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It's that way here as well.  The big streets are marked, mostly, but usually
anything smaller than a moderately large road has no sign.  Depending on the
last flood/hurricane/catastrophy... We won't have signs for months or years.

We also don't have North, south, east, and west. New Orleans is not a square
city, so our directions are based off of landmarks. 

 Rox and the kitchen Bitches: 
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
Pawpower4me at gmail.com
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> On Aug 18, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Julie J. via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Maybe this is just a small town thing or something, but I didn't know the
street names as close as a block from here just until a couple of years ago.
My husband, who has lived here all his life, doesn't know the street names,
except for the really main ones.
> 
> Directions here go something like this...
> 
> Across the street from where the old Wal-Mart used to be.
> 
> The North side of the square. The square is the square of streets that go
around the courthouse, which is always the center of downtown in a tiny
town.
> 
> It's by Joe's Shoe repair, up another block and across the street, by
Betty's Hair Fixins.
> 
> Seriously, no one uses street names or numbers to give directions here.
I'd be up a creek if I went to a guide dog school.  Here I know where things
are by landmarks, counting blocks or using  known locations as reference
points. I know the courthouse is west right after I cross the first traffic
lighted intersection.  I've done that route thousands and thousands of times
and I can't tell you what half the street names are that I cross to get
there.  It is simply information that I don't need or really want.
> 
> Julie
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> -----Original Message----- From: Dar via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 10:58 AM
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> Cc: Dar
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] leader dog for the blind denile
> 
> When I was at pilot they asked me what street was I on, my reply was I
have no clue.
> Also said I asked if I could use the gps where they said no.
> I also shared for only being there for two weeks I wasn't going to worry
about the street I was on.
> They asked me if the streets had names on them at home.
> My reply was, well now, the last time I was home they did, sure hope I
have the same again when I get home again.
> Yes we get out there and walk.
> We don't do much down town, don't have much to go to.
> We still get out for walks though.
> 
> 
> Dar
> Every Saint has a past,
> Every sinner has a future, Sent from my iPad
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>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 7:15 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> John:
>> 
>> I agree with Steve.  Last year you had problems with Pilot and since 
>> then you have been denied by other schools.  Everyone says the 
>> problem is your O&M skills so, that is what you should be doing now, 
>> not applying to get a dog.  If you do not know how to get somewhere 
>> and where you are then you cannot correctly work a guide dog.  I have 
>> never attended any of the NFB Training Centers but I have heard from
other people that they are excellent.
>> Once you leave them you should be a confident cane traveler wih all 
>> the skills you will need.  I urge you to give it some serious 
>> consideration. I am sure your local NFB officers can put you in touch 
>> with the right people to help you apply to one of the training 
>> centers.  Good luck in the future and I do hope that someday you get 
>> the skills you need to travel safely whether it be with a cane or a guide
dog.
>> 
>> Sandra and Pilot Dog, Eva
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Steven Johnson via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 6:42 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Steven Johnson
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] leader dog for the blind denile
>> 
>> John, if Leader Dog denied you, the chances that another program will 
>> do the same until these issues are addressed.  Leader has been known 
>> to give applicants a *chance* that other programs might not, so the 
>> best thing you can do is heed their advice.  The Leader Dog AMP 
>> program is good, but what might be best is to get a thorough O&M 
>> training, and then move forward from there.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha 
>> Dudley via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:11 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Aleeha Dudley
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] leader dog for the blind denile
>> 
>> John,
>> If the school says that you need to work on your orientation and 
>> mobility skills, take that to heart. Perhaps attending a training 
>> center might be of interest to you? Keeping a fairly consistent speed 
>> is important when working a dog so as not to cause doubt in the 
>> dogâ?Ts mind as to your direction and intentions. Getting an 
>> instructor visit from the Seeing Eye might help you a lot in terms of
knowing what you need to work on if they do not accept you.
>> It is hard for someone to determine simply from your video exactly 
>> the skills you possess.
>> I am working with my second Seeing Eye dog now, and I believe that 
>> they do a great job assessing their clients before they even et to 
>> campus. It is important that you can navigate competently and safely 
>> around your environment, as well as those that may not be familiar to 
>> you. You need to be able to cross streets safely, even those that you 
>> do not know. You need t be able to get yourself out of a situation if 
>> you get lost or you donâ?Tt know for sure where you are.
>> I hope some of this information is helpful to you.
>> Aleeha and Whitley
>>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 11:13 AM, John Sanders via NAGDU 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> All they would say that my problem solving skills need to get 
>>> better. and I need to work on my street crossing skills.
>>> 
>>> I only messed up one time during the video on a street crossing.
>>> 
>>> I did pretty well on the others.
>>> 
>>> The only other thing they said was that I need to work on my 
>>> mobility skills.
>>> 
>>> And I can't get any additional mobility training because the blind 
>>> agency here in Michigan doesn't think I need it.
>>> They won't spend anymore money on it.
>>> 
>>> I'm thinking about applying to GDF or the seeing eye.
>>> 
>>> I've heard those are pretty good schools.
>>> 
>>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> John Sanders
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 8/17/2016 7:44 AM, Andy B. via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Last I knew, the trainers were supposed to match you with a dog 
>>>> that fit your walking pace and lifestyle. Strange that they would 
>>>> refuse on walking speed. Might it be something else they might not be
telling?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 7:37 AM, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah I was also confused by that.
>>>>> The only time I'm slow is when I'm on the phone or shopping lol.
>>>>> Otherwise Doc and I are what my trainer called Medium Fast.
>>>>> Best wishes to you.
>>>>> Nancy & Doc
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 5:40 AM, Lisie Foster via NAGDU 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm sorry you weren't accepted at Leader Dogs,  but  wishing you 
>>>>>> luck with The Seeing Eye and GDF!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I wonder what Guide Dogs of America meant by walking at a "normal 
>>>>>> speed"? My dog and I both have completely natural, and matching, 
>>>>>> fast walking paces. Whether I'm walking alone, with a cane, or 
>>>>>> with my dog, I just tend to walk quickly and always have. I hope 
>>>>>> that wouldn't be grounds for rejection sometime in the future.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lisie and her Speedy Mr Golden
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> lisiefoster at yahoo.com
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:36 PM, John Sanders via NAGDU 
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> I just thought that I would write to let you know that I didn't 
>>>>>>> get excepted in to Leader Dogs guide dog school.
>>>>>>> I'm looking at the seeing eye.
>>>>>>> I've heard from Guide dogs of America. and they said that I need 
>>>>>>> to keep my walking at a normal walking speed.
>>>>>>> I was nervous and have a habit of walking quickly.
>>>>>>> The two schools I'm now looking at are the Seeing eye and Guide 
>>>>>>> dog foundation.
>>>>>>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> John Sanders
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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