[NAGDU] picking up after dog

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Fri Jan 8 19:30:47 UTC 2016


I think "half-assed" was a rather unfortunate description, and I don't think
we need to use it folks. But Dan, how did you decide it isn't realistic to
expect blind people to pick up after their dogs anyway?
One day I picked up after mine. I did not know where there was a garbage
can, so I left the wrapped package behind. Someone yelled at me that there
wasn't much point picking up if you weren't going to trash it. I did have to
disagree with this because picking up cuts down on the chances of someone
stepping in it. I think that it won't always be a perfect job because of
circumstances; I also think it is our responsibility same as not littering
the streets with stuff thrown out of car windows.
Cindy Lou Ray
Cindyray at gmail.com


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That's funny.  But I really do hope you're doing well, and hello to
everyone...
Well I used to be quite fanatic about picking up but I've learned over many
travels and many situations that it is quite difficult and maybe in my
opinion not a very rrealistic thing to expect blind people to clean up
afteer dogs but I respect those who disagree, I just have verystrong
opinions which I keep until I find a reason to change them--lol

Dan the man

 

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			It's in the clear, so now we've got everybody on the
list wondering... 
Will write you privately.

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Half-assing such a charming expression...no actually I pick up when I need
to pick up, and I don't when I decide that circumstances aren't right such
as being off a curb and having cars zoom buy and feeling that maybe  bending
over in front of zooming cars is such a good idea.
Thanks for your comment anyway.

I didn't hear nay complaints from you when I stayed over and cleaned up
after my dog--smile

Can't tell whether this is a privatte post or not, but I would hope you take
what I write in the spirit it's meant.


How are the kids?

Take care ana happy new year.
Dan the man, Parker the nut

 

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			I think there is a difference between not being able
to do something and half-assing it. It sounds like Dan, that you half-ass
picking up, at least that's how I read your message. Far better to decide
you can't or just will not do it, and have someone else do a good job then
to say "It's hard because I'm blind". 
I don't really care how poop gets picked up, just that it gets done well. 

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Sandra, I don't exactly understand the hostility in your post. You maybe
cannot pick up; most of us can; therefore, it is our responsibility to do
so. Why? Because other people might walk in it if we don't. I think it is
really uncalled for to say we are self-righteous, especially since the whole
thread came up in the first place because someone was asking the question.
It is hard to pick up in snow; it isn't close to impossible unless you
really are physically incapable. I don't see the need for the hostility, not
from you or from anyone else. State you have physical limitations and
cannot; then leave it at that.
Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
cindyray at gmail.com


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Hi Dan,

Finally someone who agrees with me.  I know this post will make the rest of
you self righteous folks very mad but, I think it has to be said.  We are
blind and we can not do everything perfectly.  There is nothing wrong with
admitting there are things we cannot do.  In some cities blind people are
exempt from picking up and I think it should be that way everywhere.  It is
not easy with some dogs who move around a lot or dogs who do not like being
touched or approached as they are relieving themselves.  Picking up can
cause a lot of stress for a handler for several reasons.  Where is the
nearest trash can?  you can't just stroll down the street with a bag of dog
waste in your hand.  If you are a woman all dressed up in a long fancy
dress, do you really want to bend down and get all messed up?  As many of
you have said, picking up in the snow is almost impossible.  Why can't we be
like those other countries and just admit that as blind people there are
entitled to some consideration and exemptions?  I will admit, I never pick
up after my dogs.  In my own back yard, I let her out on her 30 foot tie-out
and get sighted help to clean the yard twice a week.  She usually goes at
home but, if she did go out in public, I would find some grass and let her
go.  When at conventions, I find a quiet area of grass at the hotel and
convention center where my dog can go and if somebody doesn't like it, then
too bad.  I have physical limitations that make picking up impossible so,
the rest of you will just have to live with it.  For some of us, it is
impossible, especially if you have other medical issues.  I do not
understand why many blind people refuse to admit that there are just some
things that we can not do.

Sandra and Eva

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I clean up after my dog especially in public because it's required,. But I
think we should be given an exemption on cleaning up as they do in some
countries It is harder to clean up if we're blind, sorry,  JMO.  .
You guys don't like  my opinion, , I don't care--lol One of the great things
about the net is that we can all express our opinions if we do it
respectfully.

Now, so in my home area my hound relieves in the back yard,  and therefore
if I miss something it's no big deal.when we're out and about I clean up and
I do use a short leash because otherwise Mr. parker has the singular habit
of walking while he delivers his calling card--smile. If he's on a long
leash it's very hard to figure out what he's doing, if he's on a long leash
I hold it closer to the collar...if I touch his back he walks away so it's
always an interesting experience--lol.
And no, my potential critics, he was always this way even at school, not
just since he came home and can run free in the fenced back yard at my
disgression.

Warmest wishes to all,
Dan the lovable but opinionated


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I always use a short leash.  And you'll remember how sort TSE leashes are.
Tracy


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It is that long stretch from the top of the leash to the dog to walk up to
her.
I make the leash taught so I can feel when she stops to go.
As I move my foot she starts to move as well like a dance loll.
Now ahem would rather dance with my husband. smile.
That is the part I wonder about.
Even on short leash.

Original message:
> As soon as I feel her back is arched, I put my hand on it and then I 
> step behind him so that one foot is on either side of him. You want to 
> have your hand starting at the head and then run it down his back.
> Then you can follow where he goes; you go down to just above the tail 
> and keep a light hand on him.
> Cindy


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> How did you learn how to walk up to the dog. Even sliding feet.
> Sure would save on bags when she uses lots of them during the day.

> Original message:
>> Hi Dar.
>> Ben used to move while relieving.  The solution was to hold the leash 
>> pretty close to his collar, so, even if he moved, he couldn't move 
>> far.  Pretty soon, he stopped moving.
>> Good luck.  Picking up in snow is a pain.
>> Tracy


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>> Folks when you are brainless as I are smile, I forget to take off the 
>> toileting harness.
>> The other dogs this didn't matter, to her it does.
>> She chewed up this one so bad I finally threw it away.
>> When I try to follow leash down telling her to stay, she will move.
>> If you have tricks of the trade or trade the trick that woud be kind.
>> In the winter with snow I will keep her using the harness.
>> Safer for me.
>> She not only goes inside the bag but on the outside as well.
>> Ugg not nice at all.
>> Just wanted to know how you do it.
>> Thanks,

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