[NAGDU] picking up after dog

Sat Jan 9 21:07:26 UTC 2016

Hi Sandra,During the two classes that I attended at Leader the trainers worked with the students in figuring out the dog's relieving body language sand afterday twould with pup wewere expected to pick up on our own. During my second class the trainers worked a bit more with first timers and a bit less with us retreads. Mainly because, I suspect,  the trainers realized the retreads had been on the carousel before and had a clew and only needed pointers in learning the new pup's relieving signals.When I was there training with LD Patriot ( my second Leader Dog ), I chose to pick up after him from the start rather than let the trainers pick up after him the first couple of days.

Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,

Wayne M. Scace 

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Date: 1/8/2016  13:27  (GMT-06:00) 
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The Seeing Eye requires us to pick up. I think these days they do it almost
from the beginning, and they instruct people in how to tell what the dog is
doing.
They haven't always done this; they didn't do it with the first dog I got,
but soon after they began to have this as a part of the training.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

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If this is so important, then it would also help if the trainers would
concentrate on this during training.  I've been to class and some schools
don't really spend much time on this.  The trainers are out there telling
people what their dog is doing and picking up.  I know Pilot doesn't spend
any time on relief and picking up.  What do other schools do?  Do any of
them make their students pick up during class?

Sandra

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I really don't understand why they don't have the raisers desensitize the
dogs to being touched. Most of mine have done pretty well with being
touched, but as I even have worked with my little cockerpoo, who is not, of
course, trained to do much, I find she doesn't really take kindly to it,
though she is better than she once was.
Cindy Lou Ray

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Hi,

It has been my experience that the dogs are not used to being touched until
we get them.  By then, it is too late, They have already formed their
particular behaviors when relieving themselves and it is hard to get them
used to something else.  It would help if the puppy raisers started them out
at a young age by walking toward them and being touched while relieving and
instructing the puppy to stay in one spot.  I've had many dogs in my forty
years of guide dog use that move around while relieving which results in you
having to look for two or three piles.  This makes picking up much more
difficult or impossible.

Sandra

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Hi Caitlyn,
I always assumed that the dogs got used to being touched while relieving
when they were puppies. But, I recently found out that the puppy raisers are
discouraged from touching them while they relieve. I am not sure if that was
a recent change, or if it's always been that way. Personally, I think it
would be good to get them accustomed to this when they are young, because my
boy didn't like it all when I first started it. But, he is a lot better now
with being touched.
Deanna and Mambo

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Oh, also, I use a short leash while releiving the dog.  this makes it easy
to get your hand up near the collar quickly.

I donb?Tt think they get the dogs used to being touched or approached
whilest releiving at Pilot.  Mark had a time at first with Jordan, but now
sheb?Ts fine with both being touched gentley on her back while she goes as
well as Mark walking toward her afterwards.  Just takes time and patience.

Itb?Ts not easy for any of us to pick up in the snow!!

Cait

> On Jan 7, 2016, at 2:31 PM, d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> How did you learn how to walk up to the dog. Even sliding feet.
> Sure would save on bags when she uses lots of them during the day.
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>> Hi Dar.
>> Ben used to move while relieving.  The solution was to hold the leash 
>> pretty close to his collar, so, even if he moved, he couldn't move 
>> far.  Pretty soon, he stopped moving.
>> Good luck.  Picking up in snow is a pain.
>> Tracy
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>> Folks when you are brainless as I are smile, I forget to take off the 
>> toileting harness.
>> The other dogs this didn't matter, to her it does.
>> She chewed up this one so bad I finally threw it away.
>> When I try to follow leash down telling her to stay, she will move.
>> If you have tricks of the trade or trade the trick that woud be kind.
>> In the winter with snow I will keep her using the harness.
>> Safer for me.
>> She not only goes inside the bag but on the outside as well.
>> Ugg not nice at all.
>> Just wanted to know how you do it.
>> Thanks,
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