[NAGDU] Access for guide dogs in training

[Buddy Brannan]

My reading of state laws, when i did so, suggests that pups in training *are* allowed to accompany trainers. I have not received any sort of official answer on this, however, and I'm not even sure who I'd ask. Fortunately for me, I've never had any trouble with access while accompanied by my dog while she was in training. We'll put aside for the moment that the line between "trained" and "in training" can be quite slippery. In any case, I would have happily left anywhere that objected, since again, not being a lawyer, I'm not entirely sure where I stand legally, since I'm not a certified training organization or certified trainer, but am a person with a disability. 

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Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
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> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Shari Cook via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> In the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, our Guide Dog pups in training are allowed everywhere a fully graduated guide dog is allowed.  Our pup in training has been to grocery stores, restaurants, trains, airports, plays, church, etc. both in PA and NJ (we always ask permission first if taking her to NJ).  How else is a dog in training going to learn about the world that may one day be theirs if they aren't allowed to visit it.
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>      From: Buddy Brannan via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> Cc: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Access for guide dogs in training
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> <broken_record>
> Guide dogs have no access rights. None. Full stop. Period amen, none. 
> 
> It is the guide dog handler who has the right to be accompanied by his/her individually task trained service dog. 
> 
> Yes, this really is important. It really, really is. For one thing, it changes the whole discussion around "fake" service dogs. For another, if the dog had access rights, it wouldn't matter whether the handler were disabled or not. Except that it does. Finally, getting who has the rights here correct helps the discussion surrounding access rights, not only in regard to "fake" service dogs, though that's a currently hot button issue. 
> </broken_record>
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> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194 
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
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>> On Jun 22, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Andrew Webb via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Can anyone advise as to the rights of guide dogs in training (and their
>> handlers) to access places of public accommodation? I am referring to dogs
>> in the process of being trained and certified as guide dogs, but whose
>> training has not yet been completed. From the research I have done, it
>> appears to me that the ADA does not extend rights of access for guide dogs
>> in training as it does for fully-trained guide dogs. I gather that certain
>> states have laws granting access to guide dogs in training who are in the
>> company of certified guide dog trainers, and who can produce certification
>> to the effect that they are in fact training the dogs for gide dog work. The
>> state I'm interested in is Illinois, for which I have not found any such
>> state laws allowing access for guide dogs in training.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Can anyone comment on this?
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>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
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