[NAGDU] Input on the Condo Pool Issue

Wed Jun 15 16:51:40 UTC 2016

					Like itIf it's the resident's
responsibility to know when inspections happen, why even put up signs?

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Weiner via
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Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:49 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
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Cc: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Input on the Condo Pool Issue

Oh my, that's interesting, when I was living  in  an apartment about ten
years ago, I asked for something similar, the fire and other inspections
would be scheduled and the notice put up, and when I asked for an
accommodation as simple as a call or Email telling me about it they said
they didn't have to. As a result I was told my apartment was unacceptable
after one inspection, one I didn't know was coming--smile.

I didn't know it was coming because no one read me or told me about the
notice and I didn't know it would be happening.
I was told it's my responsibility to figure these things out.

Take care and good luck to the person involved and to all of those who are
defendint their long-fought-for rights.
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NAGDU President
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:55 PM
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Cc: NAGDU President
Subject: [NAGDU] Input on the Condo Pool Issue

Dear All,

	There has been some speculation on the issue concerning the person
having the problem with the condominium management company as it pertains to
this person having their guide dog by the pool. There are a number of issues
intertwined in this issue that seems to reveal some retaliation and the
management company's unwillingness to reasonably accommodate for the
individual's blindness. Not only has the property manager sent a formal
warning to the person stating that the association's pet policy was violated
by taking the guide dog to the pool, including the threat that, should a
second violation occur, the pet would be required to be removed from the
property. Every reference to the guide dog seems to have used the word
"pet".

	In addition, the resident has asked for another reasonable
accommodation that any notices posted in the public areas, such as
inspection dates, be provided in an alternative format. When the property
manager showed up at the resident's door for a fire inspection and the
resident was unprepared for visitors, the manager threatened the resident
with a fine for refusing to let them in. The resident was told a sign was
posted in the common area and it was not her (the property manager's)
responsibility to do anything more to give notice. This, too, is an
acceptable reasonable accommodation for which the resident has asked,
received in the past, and now is being denied.

	This resident is filing complaints with the Department of housing &
Urban Development, the state's attorney general, and the P&A center in the
state.

Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] A question.

Well, let's see. Since we don't know the whole situation, let's err on the
side of watchfulness and see what unfolds rather than putting the individual
under suspicion right away.
Cindy

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] A question.

Hello.
i agree that we should not have any issues taking our guides into a pool
area.  unless, the dog is misbehaving somehow.  if the dog is running
around, disturbing others, getting into the pool, barking, whatever, then,
the dog should not be allowed.  
there could be other issues here.  i certainly know many folks who have dogs
that would misbehave in such a situation.  
i don't mean to sound mean here.  but, we have our end to hold up as well.
perhaps we don't know the whole situation here.

Vivianna

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 9:45 AM, NAGDU President via NAGDU 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> 	Just so everyone knows, this person has a written citation for
taking 
> her service dog to the pool area, as well as a voice mail message 
> warning her to not take the dog to the pool. Since she has objective 
> evidence of the discrimination, in spite of her granted request for 
> accommodations under the Fair Housing Act, she will have no problem 
> getting her rights enforced by HUD.
> 
> 	One of the best things we can do when we are denied our civil rights

> is to get and preserve objective evidence. This can be done by asking 
> for written explanations or by recording the incident. In public 
> places, one has no expectation of privacy, so such recordings are 
> generally legal. If, however, they take place in a private place, such 
> as a residence or office, there is an expectation of privacy and such
recordings may not be legal.
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. 
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:02 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Julie J.
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] A question.
> 
> I'd like to draw a tiny bit of attention to the original 
> question...which was what to do about the situation.  I think the 
> person knows she has the right to go to the pool with her dog.  The 
> building management has given her a citation and now the issue is how 
> to
proceed to advocate for her rights.
> 
> It's advice on action that is being sought, not information on her rights.
> 
> Julie
> 
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