[NAGDU] what businesses can do

Wed Jun 22 19:40:09 UTC 2016

			Hmm, Julie, your son as can you, as can anybody call the health department and ask for specifics for what the rules are and when they kick in. 
"Hey Bob, I'd like to cook at a folk festival, I want to get a health permit, what do I need to do... my buddy always brings her dog to the festival, what are the rules for her to help me cook?" 
He can even call the health department and say "I was at a grocery store, I saw a friend there with her pet dog, now I'm curious about the rules". He doesn't even have to mention the store or the friend... the story could be totally made up for all anybody needs to know. 
My personal feeling is that I don't want to be questioned by a business. It'd be way too easy for someone to say "My grandma was blind, you don't act or look like her, I think your dog is fake". I just don't need or want that. 
If I ran the world, karma would get people who truly fake disabilities. If they claim their dog is a seizure alert dog, then I'd have them hit hard with a seizure disorder, and I'd have them hit where it hurts. If they are dating, they'd have a seizure right before a hot date, and the guy would tell them he is no longer interested because he thinks she just blew him off. If they have children, they will have a seizure that makes it impossible for them to attend an event they really wanted or needed to be at. 
If their pain point is watching someone else go through a disability, then that's what would happen. 
I'm not a fan of your son's boss, assuming my take is accurate, but that is your son's problem to resolve or not resolve.

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From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via NAGDU
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] what businesses can do

Because there are regulations from the health department that say no pets around food or health care establishments.  The individual business can make their own rules about pets if they are selling shoes or garden tools, but there are laws about food and health care.

I also don't think I presented the story very well.  My son will do whatever and I'm not a part of that.  Also the store owner can have whatever discussion he needs to have with the health department and that’s not my business either.  I suppose what I was getting at is the attitude that folks feel they can take their pet anywhere, refer to being questioned as an access denial  and have this entitled attitude about it.

Also we talk a lot about how to work with businesses on what they can do to curtail the pets with fakers issue.  Perhaps this incident is one reason why businesses struggle with calling out the fakers.

Julie
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Webb via NAGDU
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Maybe I'm missing something, but how is it relevant that the store is a grocery store, with a food counter, etc? I think Buddy said it it exactly right ...

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From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J. via NAGDU
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Sorry, it's a grocery store, with a deli that serves food. I don't think that was clear before.

Julie
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Pretty simply, businesses can allow dogs if they want. If the store owner doesn't have a problem with pet dogs in his store, I'm really not sure what the problem is?

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> On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:59 AM, Julie J. via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Story time!  This one comes from my son, who is lead cashier at a 
> small grocery store.  Part of his job is monitoring who comes and goes 
> from the store and ensuring everything is on the up and up.
>
> A lady enters with her small dog.  My son asks, “is that a service dog?”
> The lady replies in the negative.  My son informs her she will have to 
> take the dog out.  She gets upset and says she’s never been denied 
> access and she will have to speak to the manager.  My son has zero 
> problem getting the owner.
>
> The owner comes up and my son fills him in on the situation.  The 
> owner asks the lady if it’s a service dog.  It still isn’t.  So the 
> owner tells her to take it out and her family can continue on with the 
> shopping.  She leaves in a huff.
>
> Then the truly horrible part.  The owner tells my son not to tell 
> people they can’t come in the store because they need all the 
> customers they can get.
>
> So what do you do?
>
> Thoughts, ideas, commentary?
> Julie
> Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog is 
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