[NAGDU] Use of treats during training

[Tracy Carcione]

It's not the treating I'm worried about.  It's the potential laser-like
focus while crossing on getting the treat when we get to the upcurb that
concerns me.

> I sure hope you don't have cars turning into you at upcurbs. Downcurbs,
> sure, but those crazy New York drivers need to stay the hell off the
> sidewalks.
>
> When Hilde started forgetting to stop at curbs, a skill she had from six
> months old or so, I did start treating at both up and down curbs. This
> worked for us, in part, because a lot of this reinforcing behavior
> happened on quiet streets, but also, you really don't want to spend an age
> doing the treating. We were able to remove the treats pretty quickly,
> since again, this was a skill she already had, but she just needed
> reminding that yes, it really is important.
>
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>
>
>
>
>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'd be really concerned about offering a treat at the upcurb.  Sure, it
>> would encourage the dog to find that upcurb and not mess about, but will
>> he also be watching carefully for traffic?  My bet is he will be focused
>> on that curb, and the treat he's going to get. He'll still see that
>> idiot
>> turning on top of us, but will he notice as soon as he would otherwise?
>> Doesn't sound like a recipe for success to me.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>> Hello, beautiful people.
>>> Dan W.  from Florida withies Royal Majesty, Parker Dog here.
>>> Well I'm wondering about something, for example, is there life on other
>>> planets, and is there life before coffee--smile.
>>> Well, all right, seriously...I've heard a lot of comments and talk
>>> about
>>> the
>>> fact that many of the guide dog programs are using a significant amount
>>> of
>>> food rewards during training.
>>> I don't mean the occasional treat that I've always used, say to reward
>>> for
>>> finding something or whatever, but say, treats every time a dog finds
>>> an
>>> up
>>> curb or down curb, carrying around a treat bag and so on.
>>> I'm wondering what peoples' experiences have been.
>>> I've heard that a majority of US programs are doing this now...and as I
>>> said
>>> it seems to be a lot, not just the occasional reward.
>>> So what happens if you can't give the dog a treat every time, will the
>>> dogs
>>> get used to having treats phased out? And what about a dog who might
>>> already
>>> be food distracted, couldn't that lead to scavenging, or generally,
>>> well
>>> silliness--smile.
>>>
>>> It does concern me.
>>>
>>> As I've said I have always incorporated treats in my method but
>>> occasionally
>>> as a special reward, and it would seem to me that a dog would need to
>>> be
>>> able to work for praise and just for the love of working...tell me what
>>> everyone thinks and what's going on.
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope everyone's doing great.
>>>
>>> Dan the man and his four-legged side-kick
>>>
>>> dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
>>>
>>>
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