[NAGDU] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: i'm working, don't pet, vest

Sun Mar 6 15:49:39 UTC 2016

Dar,

It does help if the people being sniffed don't encourage it. Maybe you 
could ask some of those folks at church that she especially likes to 
sniff to be very disapproving when they tell you she's sniffing them? Or 
you could maybe ask people she especially likes to sniff to let you know 
they're there before you're close enough, so you can be ahead of the 
game. Then when she remembers not to sniff them, you know to praise her, 
and they can be approving, too. I know it sounds a little silly, but for 
social dogs, the smiles or frowns of their adoring public can add impact 
to what you're working on. Or detract from it, if they're all smiles and 
coos while you're trying to convince your dog that what she's doing is 
*not* cute. Sigh.

I use the gentle leader to give me a clue what Loki's nose is doing and 
will use a light to moderate pull on it to redirect his nose if my 
verbal reminder doesn't work immediately. If he continues to sniff, I 
use my mean mom voice to repreat "leave it." If continues, I use my hand 
by or on his muzzle to physically move the nose back to where it should 
be, as I think you mentioned doing. For him, that counts as negative 
reinforcement, so I only use it when he has a sniffing trend going, and 
that seems to get him back on track and good as gold. By now, his 
*really* stubborn sniffing happens when we're walking by the dog and cat 
food section, so I sometimes have to time out or turn around and walk 
past it again. He's a lot better by now and even passed the food without 
trying to stop and sniff last time, so I was kinda lost because I didn't 
know we had passed it. /lol/ When I know we have passed something or 
someone he could have sniffed but didn't, I praise him mightily and 
occasionally add treats to reward his goodness.

He's made a lot of improvement, with a jump in maturity to help, so 
that's nice. Most people he just passes by, although dog scent on pants 
is really tempting. After a period of being really good in a somewhat 
crowded store, he finally gave in and sniffed a couple of people who 
giggled and cooed, so then he backslid for a bit until I convinced him 
otherwise. I have a feeling that with this one, the friendliness is 
going to be something I'll have to watch out for for the duration. He's 
really very close to being where I want him to be, independently keeping 
himself to himself most of the time. Whew!

Anyway, those are the low-energy, low-stress methods I use with my 
friendly fellow. One has to be really on the ball until the dog really 
learns the lesson, and it's fairly exhausting. Eventually, though, a 
body can relax and just go with the dog in crowds, so it's worth the 
extra work up front. Sniffing is self-rewarding, so it does take some 
time and consistency.

Good luck!

Tami

On 03/05/2016 07:26 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
> She takes off her own gentle leader, gets that paw rite up there and
> pushes it off.
> When she starts to fight me wanting to run because she hates it, I don't
> have the strength to stop her.
> I can feel my heart saying you used up all your energy.
> Yes the leash is in my rite hand.
> I questioned this at pilot where I would always get told just tell her no.
> That doesn't work with her.
> I'm pleased folks are starting to see at the church what she does to say
> something to her.
> Then she knows she is being watched.
>
> Original message:
>> I am wondering if you should put a gentle leader on her. Also,
>> sometimes if you have the leash in one hand and the harness in the
>> other, you can feel her start and stop it more quickly, and give her
>> words that should leave no doubt in her mind that it isn't acceptable.
>> Cindy
>
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>> Subject: [NAGDU] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: i'm working, don't pet, vest
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>> Yes she is a strong willed dog, and is going to do what she wishes to do.
>> One lady told her this evening, you have a job quit sniffing.
>> I shared visiting is her favorite thing, while standing in line to
>> move forward.
>> She does this as well when walking.
>> I called her my social lite.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Only some of us are, apparently. Don't let that get to you though.
>>> Miss Hildegard Vom Entwerfer Haus also has a very active nose that
>>> sticks itself in inappropriate places. I don't always catch it,
>>> although "subtle" isn't exactly in her vocabulary. Still, we
>>> persevere, and things improve.
>
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
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>
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>>>> On Mar 5, 2016, at 12:56 PM, dar via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>>>> Unfair question, I write on the list to get help on stopping a
>>>> problem, then get asked why do I allow this to happen.
>>>> What a list, I thought it was a list for questions. Glad all are
>>>> perfect!!
>
>>>> Dar
>>>> Every saint has a past,
>>>> Every sinner has a future
>
>
>>>>> On Mar 5, 2016, at 2:24 AM, Vivianna via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> just curious, why do you let her do this?  i sure would not want
>>>>> someone’s dog sniffing or licking me if i was just riding a bus
>>>>> somewhere.  and, if i really liked doggies a lot, i would most
>>>>> certainly pet a dog if it was doing this.  even if it had a sign on
>>>>> it.
>>>>> ah well, i guess we each have our own way of doing things.  hmm.
>
>>>>> Vivianna
>
>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2016, at 8:45 PM, d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>
>>>>>> My girl wishes to sniff anyone she can, even put my hand down to
>>>>>> see her nose on the ladies slacks.
>>>>>> I move it and it goes rite back to where I moved it from.
>>>>>> I keep telling folks that I am training her, and she doesn't need
>>>>>> to do this.
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>> I have a sign that i had custom-made on my dog’s harness  it has a
>>>>>>> picture of a hand with a red slash going through it.  it does
>>>>>>> work for me.
>>>>>>> i also believe that, if the dog does not solicit attention yu are
>>>>>>> much less likely to have the problem.  i don’t allow my dog to
>>>>>>> seek attention from people.  what’s the fun of petting a dog that
>>>>>>> completely ignores you, or just keeps walking like you didn’t
>>>>>>> exist.  lol.
>>>>>>> just my opinion.
>
>>>>>>> Vivianna
>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2016, at 7:40 PM, Christina Moore via NAGDU
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Hi,
>
>>>>>>>> From what I hear the vests do not really help much unfortunately.
>>>>>>>> Someone with more experience with having a vest on their dog
>>>>>>>> could probably give more insight to this though.
>>>>>>>> Christina
>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:35 PM, Michael Babcock via NAGDU
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> does anyone have any suggestions for a vest to encourage not
>>>>>>>>> petting?
>>>>>>>>> I’m working with a lab from seeing eye, and want to get some
>>>>>>>>> sort of sign or vest to discourage public from wanting to pet
>>>>>>>>> my wonderful guide Titan.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any tips/advise, and i understand a sign won’t stop
>>>>>>>>> everyone however maybe it will help with people randomly
>>>>>>>>> petting and distracting.
>>>>>>>>> best.
>
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