[NAGDU] {?} Punctuation....
Sunshine
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Mon May 9 21:59:02 UTC 2016
I don't use dictate or siri as they are not that accurate. We must remember that because we might be able to edit text, there are those who are not that advanced.
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From: Christina Moore via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 9:12 am
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] {"} Re: PunctuNot'''.
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> I think sometimes people try to hard to make dictate work. They have a tendency to exaggerate their voice and enunciate things a little bit too much and then the phone gets confused.
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> God bless.-Christina
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> > On May 9, 2016, at 10:04, Jody Ianuzzi via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Just a note to people using dictate. If you say the punctuation as you dictate it will be added to your sentence.
> >
> > Hadley school for the blind has some excellent tutorials on dictate on YouTube. Just search for Hadley I focus.
> >
> > JODY ?his
> > thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
> >
> > "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes." DOCTOR WHO (Tom Baker)
> >
> >
> >
> >> On May 9, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I hate to pick about this, but could we take time to put punctuation in our
> >> posts, for those of us who don't, and be a little careful about the typos.
> >> When there is no punctuation and there are lots of typos, it is hard for old
> >> people like me to get the gist of your messages. I know I can be more
> >> careful about the typos, but the punctuation makes pauses in the speech, and
> >> those pauses are helpful.
> >> Cindy
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of terrie arnold via
> >> NAGDU
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2016 4:33 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: terrie arnold <terrieiphone at me.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] {Spam"} Re: {Spam"} RE: {Spam"} Re: Mind Blown'''.
> >>
> >> Well only one guy dog school that I know of charges a fee for their service
> >> dog stuff your first dog $150 and each dog after that it's 50 bucks so with
> >> this you on the dog the school does not own it after that fact so all the
> >> rest the schools give you the dog but they do have the right to come back
> >> and pull the dock from you so Cena done from several different schools for
> >> people to miss treating their dogs where the Skewis comment Schools have
> >> gone and taken your dogs back from people for mistreatment either hitting
> >> the dog not feeding the dog or just the bad way of using the dog I want to
> >> say but yeah I've seen it heard it many times from the leader dog today to
> >> Fidel go to GDF so but this three cross training thing I don't know
> >> sometimes the dogs, train themselves to do other things once you have them,
> >> As I had a friend that was diabetic and her dog would rub up against her a
> >> par when her sugar was going low and it did all by himself he wasn't trying
> >> to do that so many times the dog saved her from going into a diabetic, so
> >> our dogs are wonderful nurse smart little buggers to boot
> >>
> >> My thoughts for today
> >>
> >>>> On May 7, 2016, at 11:33 PM, Tami Jarvis via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Wayne,
> >>>
> >>> Oh, I totally agree that the three task minimum should nto be a
> >> requirement. I hadn't heard that there are people who believe it should
> >> until I read it in the Illinois proposal. I am truly shocked. I can't even
> >> begin to understand the thinking behind that one.
> >>>
> >>> Glad the Illinois bill is no longer a concern and that you're working to
> >> see its like will not come again.
> >>>
> >>> Tami
> >>>
> >>>> On 05/07/2016 08:55 PM, Wayne And Harley via NAGDU wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> TammieaMy point is the three task minimum should not be a requirement for
> >> a dog to be considered a Service Dog. I was in no way saying that Service
> >> Dogs should all be mono tasked. I know several SD Owners whose dogs do
> >> multiple tasks for their owners multiple disabilities, but I also know
> >> several SD Owners whose SD does just one task.I see Guiding as being
> >> analogous to a computer.It's a complex system made up of many components.
> >> For a computer all the major components need to be there for the computer to
> >> work. Guiding is the same. If all the major components were microtasks were aren't
> >> there the dog isn't guiding.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,
> >>>>
> >>>> Wayne M. Scace
> >>>>
> >>>> -------- Original message --------
> >>>> From: Tami Jarvis via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Date: 5/7/2016 14:59 (GMT-06:00)
> >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Cc: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
> >>>> Subject: [NAGDU] {Spam"} Re: Mind Blown'''.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wayne,
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah. The three-task minimum could be life and death for some service
> >>>> dog users. Literally. I know some medical alert dogs also bring a
> >>>> medicine bag and/or push a button on an emergency call device and/or
> >>>> a few other things. But some simply need to alert the handler in time
> >>>> for the handler to deal with the situation before it becomes
> >>>> critical. This enables the handler to go to the grocery store without
> >>>> ending up in a coma in the middle of the floor. So how is this not
> >>>> good enough? I was talking to my friend with the PTSAID service dog.
> >>>> Out in public, where access laws are relevant, the dog alerts my
> >>>> friend to an impending episode so my friend can do deep breathing or
> >>>> leave the stressful area or whatever. Sometimes, the dog then adds
> >>>> pressure to help my friend regain her balance more quickly. So that's
> >>>> two. The dog does some additional things at home, so that puts her
> >>>> over three. But if these licensing laws are about public access, would
> >> the at-home tasks apply?
> >>>> It's an entertaining thing ponder, if one is that hard up for
> >>>> entertainment. But if the three-task minimum is in a law, then that
> >> matters.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some people see guide dog work as many separate tasks; others see it
> >>>> as you do - one task with a lot of components. I tend towards that
> >>>> view myself, with obstacle avoidance and curb stops being a part of
> >>>> the task of guiding. I think of "find" as a separate task, I suppose,
> >>>> and I see it as applying to my disability, so there we're up to two.
> >>>> Still not legal, depending on who is deciding officially how many
> >>>> tasks are included in guiding.
> >>>>
> >>>> The legislative efforts I've seen the past year or so would
> >>>> definitely pose problems for owner-trainers. But as written, they
> >>>> would cause some of the same problems for people with dogs from the
> >>>> programs. They would also need to have their dogs tested before they
> >>>> could continue using them, for instance. At least service dog users
> >>>> who could drive could get their dog to the testing site. If your
> >>>> guide dog is suddenly not a service dog because it does not have the
> >>>> license, you can't just hop on the bus to go get it, can you? There's
> >>>> no grandfather clause in these proposals to cover that. Until you
> >>>> wrangle up a ride to go get that license, that guide dog you've been
> >>>> using for the past five years is now officially a pet and cannot go
> >>>> where pets are not allowed. Oh, and who pays for you to get there? By
> >>>> the ADA, they can't charge for the license, and probably not for the
> >>>> test. But what about the 50-mile cab ride. Or, for some folks, the
> >>>> 300-miles there, another 300 miles back, and a stay in a hotel? Oh,
> >>>> and don't forget meals! I'm suddenly picturing myself lugging around
> >>>> a 3-day supply of peanut butter sandwiches, along with dog food and
> >> everything else.
> >>>>
> >>>> The people behind these legislative efforts claim loudly and piously
> >>>> that they're just looking after the rights of disabled people and
> >>>> making sure they're protected. The inevitable results of their
> >>>> efforts would demonstrate something quite different.
> >>>>
> >>>> Meanwhile, Fluffy has a shiny laminated license that looks just like
> >>>> the official one. Her mom whipped it up on the computer, paid 5 bucks
> >>>> to get it laminated, and they're good to go to the store! Fewer real
> >>>> service dogs in stores means more room for Fluffy!
> >>>>
> >>>> Tami
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 05/07/2016 11:47 AM, Wayne And Harley via NAGDU wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks JenineeaS ADI, by accepting IGDF's standards for Guide Dog
> >>>>> training has, tacitly, admitted that their "One size fits all"
> >>>>> approach to Service Dog training cannot cover all Service Dog
> >>>>> modalitiesffffDoes acceptance of IGDF's standards mean that the
> >>>>> idiotic "three task requirement" rule were Which is counter to the
> >>>>> language in the ADA were doesn't apply to Guide Dogs"Here's why I ask.
> >>>>> My Guide Dog does one work, or task, if you will, its a huge complex
> >>>>> type of work/task, it's called guiding. Guiding itself, while large
> >>>>> and complex, is made up of several microtasks which if one was
> >>>>> missing would mean he hasn't finished training to be a Guide Dog.
> >>>>> Conversely, those micro tasks do not and cannot stand alone. That
> >>>>> "three task requirement" would also mean that many current SD's that
> >>>>> perform only one mitigating task directly related to their owner's
> >>>>> disability would not be considered, by ADI and their member
> >>>>> organisations, as SD's simply because their Owner only needs one
> >>>>> task done
> >>>> to mitiga
> >>>> te their disability. Take medical alert Dogs and seizure response
> >>>> dogs for example. The next question that occurs to my fertile mind
> >>>> is, are the Guide Dog schools fully on board with ADI's agenda"The next
> >> point that I wish to raise, as many Guide Dog Owners may not be aware of
> >> this is.Wiithin the Guide Dog Owning Community, Owner Trainers are a very
> >> small minority, as the majority of Guide Dog Owners work with programme
> >> trained Guide Dogs. Within the Greater Service Dog Owning community this is
> >> reversed. Service Dog Owner Trainers predominate and programme trained
> >> Service Dog Owners are the vast minority. The other Service Dog Modalities
> >> have a clear majority and Guide Dog Owners were both Programme trained and
> >> Owner Trained Guide Dog Owners were are a miniscule minority.If ADI's
> >> "solution" to the fake disabled person "problem" a very large number of the
> >> disabled will become disenfranchised and be discriminated against because
> >> not every disability has a corresponding Training progr amme, or a
> >> programme that would train for the mix of disabilities that so many Service
> >> Dog Owner Trainers suffer from. Nor could those that will be disenfranchised
> >> possibly afford the cost of going to an ADI registered programme. Here the
> >> Guide Dog Owning community has a clear advantage as most Guide Dog Schools
> >> charge the recipients a nominal fee for their Service Dogs.I, for one, would
> >> rather not lose my civil rights as they currently stand and be fitted for
> >> ADI's version of the "Yellow Star Of David".
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wayne M. Scace
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -------- Original message --------
> >>>>> From: Jenine Stanley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Date: 5/7/2016 08:29 (GMT-06:00)
> >>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Cc: Jenine Stanley <jeninems at icloud.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Mind Blown'''.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wayne,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Before you panic, ADI has adopted the IGDF standards as their standards
> >> for guide dog schools.
> >>>>>> On May 6, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Wayne And Harley via NAGDU
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My mind is BLOWN, I just did a casual search that took only a few
> >> minutes on ADI's website. Every major Guide Dog Training programme in the
> >> U.S. is accredited by ADI. The only ones that I didn't see there were Pilot
> >> and a young school in Mississippi called Gallant Hearts'''ddAnd here I
> >> thought they adhered to IGDF's standards and Guidelines. '''.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wayne M. Scace
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