[NAGDU] {?} Punctuation....
Cindy Ray
cindyray at gmail.com
Mon May 9 22:06:22 UTC 2016
OK, this is off topic. Here we are talking about guide dogs and other
service dogs. I don't want this topic particularly to continue. I asked for
punctuation and error checking to try to get messages more readily read.
This particular thread is now closed.
Cindy
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From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sunshine via
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Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 4:59 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sunshine <sunshine81780 at att.net>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] {?} Punctuation....
I don't use dictate or siri as they are not that accurate. We must remember
that because we might be able to edit text, there are those who are not that
advanced.
----- Original Message -----
From: Christina Moore via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 9:12 am
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] {"} Re: PunctuNot'''.
>
>
> I think sometimes people try to hard to make dictate work. They have a
tendency to exaggerate their voice and enunciate things a little bit too
much and then the phone gets confused.
>
>
> God bless.-Christina
>
> > On May 9, 2016, at 10:04, Jody Ianuzzi via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> >
> > Just a note to people using dictate. If you say the punctuation as you
dictate it will be added to your sentence.
> >
> > Hadley school for the blind has some excellent tutorials on dictate on
YouTube. Just search for Hadley I focus.
> >
> > JODY ?his
> > thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
> >
> > "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish
> > sometimes." DOCTOR WHO (Tom Baker)
> >
> >
> >
> >> On May 9, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> >>
> >> I hate to pick about this, but could we take time to put
> >> punctuation in our posts, for those of us who don't, and be a little
careful about the typos.
> >> When there is no punctuation and there are lots of typos, it is
> >> hard for old people like me to get the gist of your messages. I
> >> know I can be more careful about the typos, but the punctuation
> >> makes pauses in the speech, and those pauses are helpful.
> >> Cindy
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of terrie
> >> arnold via NAGDU
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2016 4:33 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: terrie arnold <terrieiphone at me.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] {Spam"} Re: {Spam"} RE: {Spam"} Re: Mind Blown'''.
> >>
> >> Well only one guy dog school that I know of charges a fee for their
> >> service dog stuff your first dog $150 and each dog after that it's
> >> 50 bucks so with this you on the dog the school does not own it
> >> after that fact so all the rest the schools give you the dog but
> >> they do have the right to come back and pull the dock from you so
> >> Cena done from several different schools for people to miss
> >> treating their dogs where the Skewis comment Schools have gone and
> >> taken your dogs back from people for mistreatment either hitting
> >> the dog not feeding the dog or just the bad way of using the dog I
> >> want to say but yeah I've seen it heard it many times from the
> >> leader dog today to Fidel go to GDF so but this three cross
> >> training thing I don't know sometimes the dogs, train themselves to
> >> do other things once you have them, As I had a friend that was
> >> diabetic and her dog would rub up against her a par when her sugar
> >> was going low and it did all by himself he wasn't trying to do that
> >> so many times the dog saved her from going into a diabetic, so our
> >> dogs are wonderful nurse smart little buggers to boot
> >>
> >> My thoughts for today
> >>
> >>>> On May 7, 2016, at 11:33 PM, Tami Jarvis via NAGDU
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Wayne,
> >>>
> >>> Oh, I totally agree that the three task minimum should nto be a
> >> requirement. I hadn't heard that there are people who believe it
> >> should until I read it in the Illinois proposal. I am truly
> >> shocked. I can't even begin to understand the thinking behind that one.
> >>>
> >>> Glad the Illinois bill is no longer a concern and that you're
> >>> working to
> >> see its like will not come again.
> >>>
> >>> Tami
> >>>
> >>>> On 05/07/2016 08:55 PM, Wayne And Harley via NAGDU wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> TammieaMy point is the three task minimum should not be a
> >>>> requirement for
> >> a dog to be considered a Service Dog. I was in no way saying that
> >> Service Dogs should all be mono tasked. I know several SD Owners
> >> whose dogs do multiple tasks for their owners multiple
> >> disabilities, but I also know several SD Owners whose SD does just
> >> one task.I see Guiding as being analogous to a computer.It's a complex
system made up of many components.
> >> For a computer all the major components need to be there for the
> >> computer to work. Guiding is the same. If all the major components
> >> were microtasks were aren't there the dog isn't guiding.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,
> >>>>
> >>>> Wayne M. Scace
> >>>>
> >>>> -------- Original message --------
> >>>> From: Tami Jarvis via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Date: 5/7/2016 14:59 (GMT-06:00)
> >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Cc: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
> >>>> Subject: [NAGDU] {Spam"} Re: Mind Blown'''.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wayne,
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah. The three-task minimum could be life and death for some
> >>>> service dog users. Literally. I know some medical alert dogs also
> >>>> bring a medicine bag and/or push a button on an emergency call
> >>>> device and/or a few other things. But some simply need to alert
> >>>> the handler in time for the handler to deal with the situation
> >>>> before it becomes critical. This enables the handler to go to the
> >>>> grocery store without ending up in a coma in the middle of the
> >>>> floor. So how is this not good enough? I was talking to my friend
with the PTSAID service dog.
> >>>> Out in public, where access laws are relevant, the dog alerts my
> >>>> friend to an impending episode so my friend can do deep breathing
> >>>> or leave the stressful area or whatever. Sometimes, the dog then
> >>>> adds pressure to help my friend regain her balance more quickly.
> >>>> So that's two. The dog does some additional things at home, so
> >>>> that puts her over three. But if these licensing laws are about
> >>>> public access, would
> >> the at-home tasks apply?
> >>>> It's an entertaining thing ponder, if one is that hard up for
> >>>> entertainment. But if the three-task minimum is in a law, then
> >>>> that
> >> matters.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some people see guide dog work as many separate tasks; others see
> >>>> it as you do - one task with a lot of components. I tend towards
> >>>> that view myself, with obstacle avoidance and curb stops being a
> >>>> part of the task of guiding. I think of "find" as a separate
> >>>> task, I suppose, and I see it as applying to my disability, so there
we're up to two.
> >>>> Still not legal, depending on who is deciding officially how many
> >>>> tasks are included in guiding.
> >>>>
> >>>> The legislative efforts I've seen the past year or so would
> >>>> definitely pose problems for owner-trainers. But as written, they
> >>>> would cause some of the same problems for people with dogs from
> >>>> the programs. They would also need to have their dogs tested
> >>>> before they could continue using them, for instance. At least
> >>>> service dog users who could drive could get their dog to the
> >>>> testing site. If your guide dog is suddenly not a service dog
> >>>> because it does not have the license, you can't just hop on the
> >>>> bus to go get it, can you? There's no grandfather clause in these
> >>>> proposals to cover that. Until you wrangle up a ride to go get
> >>>> that license, that guide dog you've been using for the past five
> >>>> years is now officially a pet and cannot go where pets are not
> >>>> allowed. Oh, and who pays for you to get there? By the ADA, they
> >>>> can't charge for the license, and probably not for the test. But
> >>>> what about the 50-mile cab ride. Or, for some folks, the
> >>>> 300-miles there, another 300 miles back, and a stay in a hotel?
> >>>> Oh, and don't forget meals! I'm suddenly picturing myself lugging
> >>>> around a 3-day supply of peanut butter sandwiches, along with dog
> >>>> food and
> >> everything else.
> >>>>
> >>>> The people behind these legislative efforts claim loudly and
> >>>> piously that they're just looking after the rights of disabled
> >>>> people and making sure they're protected. The inevitable results
> >>>> of their efforts would demonstrate something quite different.
> >>>>
> >>>> Meanwhile, Fluffy has a shiny laminated license that looks just
> >>>> like the official one. Her mom whipped it up on the computer,
> >>>> paid 5 bucks to get it laminated, and they're good to go to the
> >>>> store! Fewer real service dogs in stores means more room for Fluffy!
> >>>>
> >>>> Tami
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 05/07/2016 11:47 AM, Wayne And Harley via NAGDU wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks JenineeaS ADI, by accepting IGDF's standards for Guide
> >>>>> Dog training has, tacitly, admitted that their "One size fits all"
> >>>>> approach to Service Dog training cannot cover all Service Dog
> >>>>> modalitiesffffDoes acceptance of IGDF's standards mean that the
> >>>>> idiotic "three task requirement" rule were Which is counter to
> >>>>> the language in the ADA were doesn't apply to Guide Dogs"Here's why
I ask.
> >>>>> My Guide Dog does one work, or task, if you will, its a huge
> >>>>> complex type of work/task, it's called guiding. Guiding itself,
> >>>>> while large and complex, is made up of several microtasks which
> >>>>> if one was missing would mean he hasn't finished training to be a
Guide Dog.
> >>>>> Conversely, those micro tasks do not and cannot stand alone.
> >>>>> That "three task requirement" would also mean that many current
> >>>>> SD's that perform only one mitigating task directly related to
> >>>>> their owner's disability would not be considered, by ADI and
> >>>>> their member organisations, as SD's simply because their Owner
> >>>>> only needs one task done
> >>>> to mitiga
> >>>> te their disability. Take medical alert Dogs and seizure response
> >>>> dogs for example. The next question that occurs to my fertile
> >>>> mind is, are the Guide Dog schools fully on board with ADI's
> >>>> agenda"The next
> >> point that I wish to raise, as many Guide Dog Owners may not be
> >> aware of this is.Wiithin the Guide Dog Owning Community, Owner
> >> Trainers are a very small minority, as the majority of Guide Dog
> >> Owners work with programme trained Guide Dogs. Within the Greater
> >> Service Dog Owning community this is reversed. Service Dog Owner
> >> Trainers predominate and programme trained Service Dog Owners are
> >> the vast minority. The other Service Dog Modalities have a clear
> >> majority and Guide Dog Owners were both Programme trained and Owner
> >> Trained Guide Dog Owners were are a miniscule minority.If ADI's
> >> "solution" to the fake disabled person "problem" a very large
> >> number of the disabled will become disenfranchised and be
> >> discriminated against because not every disability has a
> >> corresponding Training progr amme, or a programme that would train
> >> for the mix of disabilities that so many Service Dog Owner Trainers
> >> suffer from. Nor could those that will be disenfranchised possibly
> >> afford the cost of going to an ADI registered programme. Here the
> >> Guide Dog Owning community has a clear advantage as most Guide Dog
> >> Schools charge the recipients a nominal fee for their Service Dogs.I,
for one, would rather not lose my civil rights as they currently stand and
be fitted for ADI's version of the "Yellow Star Of David".
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wayne M. Scace
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -------- Original message --------
> >>>>> From: Jenine Stanley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Date: 5/7/2016 08:29 (GMT-06:00)
> >>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Cc: Jenine Stanley <jeninems at icloud.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Mind Blown'''.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wayne,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Before you panic, ADI has adopted the IGDF standards as their
> >>>>> standards
> >> for guide dog schools.
> >>>>>> On May 6, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Wayne And Harley via NAGDU
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My mind is BLOWN, I just did a casual search that took only a
> >>>>>> few
> >> minutes on ADI's website. Every major Guide Dog Training programme
> >> in the U.S. is accredited by ADI. The only ones that I didn't see
> >> there were Pilot and a young school in Mississippi called Gallant
> >> Hearts'''ddAnd here I thought they adhered to IGDF's standards and
Guidelines. '''.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wayne M. Scace
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