[NAGDU] please contact the maker. Re: New equipment! YEEEEEHAAAAAAA!!!!!
S L Johnson
SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
Mon Nov 21 12:46:09 UTC 2016
Hi,
I am not the moderator either but, why don't you think our messages should
be posted? It is only my opinion but I think it is always interesting to
hear about other sources of equipment and the opinions of those who use it.
That helps all of us make decisions about our own purchases. We will never
learn if we don't share information. I think when the product questions are
answered on the list they probably answer questions that many of us may
have. If you don't want to read, then use your delete key.
-----Original Message-----
From: Yegue N. O. Badigue via NAGDU
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:56 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Yegue N. O. Badigue ; Julie J.
Subject: [NAGDU] please contact the maker. Re: New equipment!
YEEEEEHAAAAAAA!!!!!
Hello, I haven't posted on here for almost 3 years, but am reading the
post everyday. I'm writing to ask: why don't people who still have questions
regarding those "sport harness" to please start writing directly, privately
to the maker of the tools? Let's get back to other direct topics of "guide
dogs" Thanks much in advance--although I'm not the moderator. -Mr. Yegue B.
Business entrepreneur, shop owner.
>From the YBRT specialty store: www.YAfricaNatural.com
> On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Julie J. via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Tracy,
>
> Is the handle in PVC? The change to the flat metal makes a huge
> difference in handle connection firmness. The older PVC handles were
> round, connecting to a flat buckle. You don't get a super firm transition
> there. With the flat metal going to a flat buckle, all in the same size,
> there is little wiggle.
>
> If you want me to take a look at it to see if I can swap buckles and get
> you a different handle, I'd be happy to look at it.
>
> Julie
> New lowered price on my book:
> Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
> -----Original Message----- From: Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 8:57 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Tracy Carcione
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] New equipment! YEEEEEHAAAAAAA!!!!!
>
> I have a sports-style harness from PawPower. I like its lightness, and it
> fits well, but I feel like the connection between the body and the handle
> is not as solid as I prefer. If the dog is walking slowly, or not really
> pulling hard, his movements aren't transmitted as well as they are with my
> TSE harness. I really have to remind myself to pull back on the handle,
> to make it as firm as possible. This may be sloppy practice on my part,
> not always pulling back, but I wish the connection was firmer. But I do
> really like that the handle is easy to remove, and maybe firmness and
> removability are antithetical.
> Tracy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:38 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Buddy Brannan
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] New equipment! YEEEEEHAAAAAAA!!!!!
>
> Hey Sandy,
>
> In fact, mine is one of Julie's. Yes, I think the nylon is a bit more
> pliable and does allow for a snugger fit. The feel is somewhat different
> from leather for sure, and the harness itself is a lot lighter.
>
> I got it in blue, but didn't get any reflective material sewn in. I may
> see if I can find some reflectie tape for the handle. I had an LED light,
> but lost it and I think it died anyway, so will be looking for more like
> that. I have a flat collar on her as well that has reflective material in
> it.
>
> Totally know where you're coming from with the quiet cars and people not
> waching where they're aiming them, especially when they're backing up.
> Just because you're moving backwards doesn't mean you get to not watching
> where you're aiming your car, please and thank you.
>
> So, be careful out there.
>
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>
>
>
>
>> On Nov 19, 2016, at 10:49 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Buddy,
>>
>> It sounds like a very nice harness. Excuse me for being a bit nosey but
>> what color did you get for your dog? Did you have any reflective
>> material
>> sewn into the harness body or handle to make you and your dog more
>> visible
>> at night? That is important especially this time of year when it gets
>> dark
>> so early. The Pilot harness does not have any reflective material on it
>> so
>> I use a reflective collar on her neck and wrap reflective collars round
>> the
>> harness handle. I did have a couple of bone shaped lights to use when it
>> was dark but I am totally blind so cannot see if they are working or not.
>> They do not get warm when turned on so you cannot feel any heat from them
>> to
>> be sure they are working. Eva has a reflective tag with my name and
>> address
>> but it really does not show up well. In my senior housing development I
>> have had a few very close calls almost getting hit as neighbors are
>> backing
>> out of their driveways, especially by the new quiet cars. I also have
>> some
>> hearing loss so do not hear most cars until they almost run over me.
>> Fortunately Miss Eva has very good traffic checks so I always trust her
>> when
>> she makes a sudden stop. Then I give her lots of praise as I feel hat
>> quiet
>> car pass us. If anyone has any ideas to make Eva more visible at night,
>> I
>> would appreciate hearing them. I know you can buy reflective vests for
>> people but, can you get them for a dog?
>>
>> Now that I hear more about these nylon harnesses, I may consider getting
>> one
>> for Eva. The trick when ordering a harness is getting the proper fit.
>> If
>> you measure the dog exactly then a well made harness that fits will allow
>> you to feel every movement. That is what is wrong with many guide dog
>> school harnesses. They often do not fit properly. For example, Eva's
>> harness is too big in the chest area. It sticks out far enough that she
>> can
>> wriggle her front legs out of the harness when she is lying down in it.
>> Even when I have it in a snug fitting belly strap hole, it still moves
>> around on her slim golden body. I also prefer a harness with the
>> martingale
>> strap. I think it allows you to better feel the dog's movements and
>> keeps
>> the harness centered on the dog. Eva has a very gentle, almost nothing
>> pull, so a better fitting harness might allow me to more accurately
>> follow
>> her. also wonder if the softer more pliable nylon allows the harness to
>> fit
>> closer to the dog's body. Julie, you make harness so maybe you can chime
>> in
>> here too. One question I have is, how do we get the correct measurements
>> for the harness? What measurements do you need? Where do you place the
>> measuring tape so you get it right? I love the fact that on this list we
>> can share our questions and read other peoples experiences with their new
>> products. Thanks Buddy for your information.
>>
>> Sandra
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Buddy Brannan via NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:48 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Buddy Brannan
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] New equipment! YEEEEEHAAAAAAA!!!!!
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd agree. The harness isn't the problem here. You need more and better
>> control. I've seen the Pilot leashes and I agree, they're way too long. A
>> shorter leash will probably help. Are you sure your prong is fitted
>> properly? It should be up behind her ears. Anyway, I like the sport
>> harness.
>> I'm not sure why it's called that, but the freedom of movement in the
>> handle
>> would definitely allow for a lot faster movements, tighter turns, and the
>> like. But yes, I like it very much.
>>
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2016, at 6:11 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dar:
>>>
>>> I don't think a different harness will help with your current problem.
>>> Remember what the Pilot trainers had you do on class. To have better
>>> control put the leash into your right hand. This allows you to feel
>>> what
>>> she is doing and gives you much better control when she is sniffing or
>>> trying to grab stuff off the ground. You will want to hold the leash
>>> as
>>> short, about the middle of the length of the Pilot Dog leashes. The
>>> reason
>>> is to have it short enough so it is a bit taught, just enough so your
>>> dog
>>> knows you are ready and willing to correct her if she puts her head
>>> down.
>>> I
>>> purchased a shorter leash because I do not like the Pilot Dog leashes
>>> they
>>> give us on class. Eva does not sniff or scavenge but I use the leash in
>>> my
>>> right hand to control her tendency to be over friendly and wanting to
>>> play
>>> with anyone who comes close to her. As for waiting until the dog is
>>> three,
>>> Eva is almost four and still wants to play with everyone she sees.
>>> Sometimes we just have to deal with a behavior as long as we can keep it
>>> under good control and that you are safe. Penney's distractions causing
>>> you
>>> to fall off a curb is definitely not safe. I hope your ankle was not
>>> injured too severely. Good luck to you with your very stubborn girl.
>>>
>>> Sandra and Eva
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: d m gina via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 5:31 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: d m gina
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] New equipment! YEEEEEHAAAAAAA!!!!!
>>>
>>> Why is it called a sports harness, do you like it better than the
>>> regular
>>> one.
>>> My dog gets to a place and nose goes on the ground or carpet in a
>>> building.
>>> I try to stop her but that is out of the question until she thinks she
>>> is done to see if there is anything for her to pick up first.
>>> I had a person walk away because they didn't like the way I was
>>> training the dog.
>>> Using anything over the nose just doesn't work, I am not strong enough
>>> to fight her.
>>> She knows this.
>>> She also doesn't listen to the the prong collar, she feels when she is
>>> good and ready to listen she does.
>>> We do everything that is sugested.
>>> My husband feels this lady here in town is to expensive.
>>> The other day I twisted my ankle falling off a curb because we wanted
>>> to visit with the uber driver.
>>> I screamed was worried my face would hit the car, glad it didn't.
>>> She got truly corrected.
>>> When wwalking and someone comes by on the left side sniffing is what you
>>> do.
>>> I even take my knee and bump her on the side to get her back to working
>>> mode again.
>>> I was told to get a smaller collar as I did, but all that does is when
>>> correcting she gets it that she needs to stop doing what she was told to
>>> stop.
>>> Where I will stop when I am ready.
>>> She gets lots of loving playing when we can play outside, quite cold
>>> now.
>>> We also play in the house to get rid of energy.
>>> I am told give her to three she will grow up really?
>>> What happens when she turns four loll.
>>> on a one to one she is good, she wants to do what ever I request.
>>> So I love reading this stuff to see if there is just one more thing
>>> that I could buy that would help me out.
>>> Now I know one shouldn't call the dog a bad name, trust me, when I
>>> landed on the ankel I echoed all the way down the block.
>>> A couple came by thinking that the driver pushed me down, where he
>>> didn't.
>>> I am afraid of curbs and steps for this reason.
>>> Ok my rant is over, I am sure I will be blamed for all of it and that is
>>> fine.
>>> Until the shoes I wear are walked in, the blame can't be all of me, and
>>> I don't give up I will keep trying.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Buddy:
>>>> thanks for sharing this, and i need to check out that harness:)
>>>> hoping your well, and keep the wonderful work up!
>>>
>>>>> On Nov 19, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Buddy Brannan via NAGDU
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Posted to Hilde's blog yesterday. Feel free to share. I'm happy to too
>>>>> Julie's horn for her :-) (since she sort of can't on this list...) No
>>>>> financial interest and all that jazz.
>>>
>>>>> New Equipment! YEEEEEEEHAAAAAAA!!!!
>>>
>>>>> November 18, 2016
>>>>> We interrupt this streak of not posting anything with a post.
>>>
>>>>> Oohâ?¦a post? Really? Maybe Iâ?Tll post about our trip to the NFBP
>>>>> convention next, but this isnâ?Tt that post.
>>>
>>>>> Over the past few weeks, Iâ?Tve gotten some gear from Julie Johnson,
>>>>> whose site can be found at http://guide-and-service-dogs.com/. Besides
>>>>> useful information, Julie manufactures a line of some dead useful
>>>>> things
>>>>> at really good prices. You can also buy from Amazon if you like, as
>>>>> she
>>>>> sells there. Iâ?Tve gotten a few of them that Iâ?Td like to talk
>>>>> about.
>>>
>>>>> Iâ?Tll briefly mention the first aid kit, which doesnâ?Tt appear to be
>>>>> on
>>>>> her site. Itâ?Ts a handy zippered bag full of, surprisingly, first aid
>>>>> supplies. There are bandages, ointment, vet wrap, and an emergency
>>>>> blanket. Itâ?Ts a handy size to stash either in your home or in your
>>>>> luggage for travel.
>>>
>>>>> Next, the collar bells are a pretty good idea for keeping track of
>>>>> your
>>>>> dog around the house, so that s/he will (theoretically) stay out of
>>>>> trouble. Julie sent me a set in trade for an honest review, and then
>>>>> Amazon changed their review rules. Still, Iâ?Tll happily give an
>>>>> honest
>>>>> review for them anyway. These are just your standard jingle bells on a
>>>>> nylon strap with side release buckle. The set comes with three sizes:
>>>>> one
>>>>> set with two very small bells, a medium sized bell, and a larger bell,
>>>>> each on its own strap. These would be great for a fairly quiet indoor
>>>>> environment. The bells arenâ?Tt very loud, so they wouldnâ?Tt be
>>>>> appropriate for outdoor use. The strap is only a couple inches long,
>>>>> with
>>>>> the plastic side release buckle closure, sort of like the buckles that
>>>>> snap your backpack together. Be aware, however, that these buckles are
>>>>> very small, so if you have dexterity issues, you may have trouble with
>>>>> them. The set I have is not adjustable, but Julie is thinking about
>>>>> making some that can be shortened if necessary. These would be most
>>>>> appropriate on a flat collar; just put the strap around the width of
>>>>> the
>>>>> collar and close, letting them hang down. I donâ?Tt think these would
>>>>> work very well with a slip collar, though they might with a martingale
>>>>> collar. I can usually hear these, when Fiona isnâ?Tt barking loudly,
>>>>> or
>>>>> if Hilde is not in stealth mode, so theyâ?Tre pretty handy. Iâ?Td
>>>>> probably get louder bells, just because we have some loud household
>>>>> members, but it wouldnâ?Tt matter a lot, because this dog can move
>>>>> unbelievably quietly.
>>>
>>>>> There are two things that a guide dog user must have. OK, three. One
>>>>> is
>>>>> a
>>>>> collar of some kind. Hilde wears both a flat collar, for tags, and a
>>>>> training collar, either a toggle collar or a prong collar, depending.
>>>>> Julie has flat collars and martingale collars, but I donâ?Tt have
>>>>> either
>>>>> one of those. I do have a collar with Hildeâ?Ts name and my phone
>>>>> number
>>>>> on it, in case she gets lost. This collar also has reflective stuff on
>>>>> it. I have a link somewhere if anyoneâ?Ts interested.
>>>
>>>>> But the other two things that a guide dog handler really has to have
>>>>> are
>>>>> a leash and a harness. Julie makes both out of quality nylon webbing.
>>>>> Weâ?Tre most of us used to leather, and leather is really nice. I have
>>>>> a
>>>>> leather harness as well, and itâ?Ts great. Durable, classy, practical,
>>>>> fairly easy to maintain. Nylon, however, also has advantages. Itâ?Ts
>>>>> light weight and even easier to clean, and donâ?Tt forget, itâ?Ts also
>>>>> inexpensive. Iâ?Tve used a nylon harness over the past six or seven
>>>>> years
>>>>> on and off. I like them especially for these Erie winters with all the
>>>>> dirt and grit and road salt and heavens only know what. So really,
>>>>> donâ?Tt discount the nylon.
>>>
>>>>> First, the leash. You can get any length you like. I prefer shorter
>>>>> leashes, such as the Seeing Eye uses, about four feet long when in its
>>>>> extended long leash length. However, you can get one thatâ?Ts 5 or 6
>>>>> feet
>>>>> if you prefer.
>>>
>>>>> Julie does something kind of neat, for which I will take at least
>>>>> partial
>>>>> credit. I say partial because I think thereâ?Ts a school that does the
>>>>> same thing, but I canâ?Tt remember which one.
>>>
>>>>> Iâ?Tm lazy. So last year, when Hilde was a pup, I called Handcraft
>>>>> Collars to ask if they could make me some guide dog leashes out of
>>>>> tubular nylon. I had to describe what I wanted. So, instead of the
>>>>> usual
>>>>> arrangement where you can hook to one ring for a short leash, towards
>>>>> the
>>>>> bottom snap, and another ring near the top, for a long leash, I just
>>>>> had
>>>>> Debbie put in one ring at the bottom, to make a short leash, while
>>>>> leaving a standard handle with the bolt snap strung on the end of the
>>>>> handle. That way, all you have to do to get a long leash is disconnect
>>>>> from the bottom ring. Several months later, I told Julie about that,
>>>>> she
>>>>> said, â?oHey, why didnâ?Tt I think of that?â?, and thus, the Quick
>>>>> Convert Service Dog Leash was born.
>>>
>>>>> I now have one of those, too. Itâ?Ts a little heavier than the ones
>>>>> from
>>>>> Handcraft. Still, the stitching is quality, as is the hardware. Rather
>>>>> than a standard ring, Julie uses a D-ring. The bolt snaps are heavy
>>>>> duty
>>>>> ones, thicker than the ones on my Handcraft leashes. She uses nylon
>>>>> webbing, which is a bit grippier than the very slippery tubular nylon
>>>>> is,
>>>>> as well as a bit wider. Actually, the 3/4 inch width is as close to
>>>>> perfect as it gets. Itâ?Ts good stuff, and I highly recommend these,
>>>>> and
>>>>> not just because it was sort of my lazy idea. Sort of. I stole it from
>>>>> somewhere else. Southeastern maybe?
>>>
>>>>> Finally, the harness. Iâ?Tm a budding guide dog equipment nerd. I love
>>>>> guide dog equipment. Iâ?Td love to see all sorts of different harness
>>>>> designs. Even so, I have very definite opinions on what makes a good
>>>>> harness. Of course, it has to be as comfortable as possible for the
>>>>> dog.
>>>>> Ease of putting on and taking off is desirable. A removable handle is
>>>>> a
>>>>> definite plus, and, while I wouldnâ?Tt say Iâ?Td never have a harness
>>>>> without a removable handle, Iâ?Tll always take a removable handle over
>>>>> a
>>>>> fixed handle. One thing thatâ?Ts an absolute deal breaker, however, is
>>>>> the martingale strap. Ever since I got my first Seeing Eye dog, I have
>>>>> gotten very spoiled by this seemingly simple extra strap that runs
>>>>> between the dogâ?Ts front legs, from the belly strap to the chest
>>>>> strap
>>>>> in whatever configuration. Besides giving the dog more to pull into,
>>>>> the
>>>>> extra strap stabilizes the harnessâ?Ts movement from side to side (so
>>>>> it
>>>>> doesnâ?Tt move so much), and makes it harder for your dog to
>>>>> accidentally
>>>>> back out of the harness.
>>>
>>>>> The Sports Style Guide Harness meets all of these requirements. This
>>>>> is
>>>>> the second harness of this design that Iâ?Tve owned, and Julie has
>>>>> made
>>>>> some improvements. Itâ?Ts made with wide 2-inch nylon straps and comes
>>>>> in
>>>>> several different colors. For Hilde, I got it in blue. The harness
>>>>> straps
>>>>> are padded to make it more comfortable for the dog to wear. Youâ?Tll
>>>>> notice right away that the design of the harness is different from
>>>>> most
>>>>> guide dog schools. Instead of one strap that goes around the chest
>>>>> from
>>>>> one side of the dog to the other, the harness is made with two straps
>>>>> that run from the back strap, over the dogâ?Ts shoulders, and meeting
>>>>> in
>>>>> the center of the dogâ?Ts chest at the breastbone. The martingale
>>>>> strap
>>>>> then runs back from this juncture, such that the three straps form
>>>>> something like a print letter Y. Youâ?Tll also notice the absence of
>>>>> handle stabilizing loops, or â?obunny earsâ? that are present on
>>>>> most
>>>>> American harnesses. This isnâ?Tt nearly as scary as you might suppose.
>>>>> While it does afford the opportunity for more freedom of movement for
>>>>> the
>>>>> dog, the new handle has a much more rigid connection with the harness,
>>>>> so
>>>>> the handle really isnâ?Tt in a lot of danger of flipping up too high
>>>>> as
>>>>> it could with the previous PVC handle. Anyway, since there are no
>>>>> loops,
>>>>> thereâ?Ts less bulk, and less bulk for your dog to have to lie on,
>>>>> which
>>>>> sounds a lot more comfortable. The belly strap is adjustable with a
>>>>> sliding buckle, and closes at the right side with a plastic side
>>>>> release
>>>>> buckle of the sort that youâ?Td use to close a backpack. This buckle
>>>>> is
>>>>> quite large and sturdy.
>>>
>>>>> The handle, as I said, is an improvement over the previous generation.
>>>>> The new handles are made of a flat metal stock wrapped in nylon. It is
>>>>> removable, attaching to the harness with plastic side release buckles.
>>>>> Donâ?Tt let that put you off, however; Iâ?Tve used a harness with
>>>>> similar
>>>>> handle attachments for a while with no problems. The buckles are
>>>>> sturdy
>>>>> and Iâ?Tve never had one disconnect during travel. Julie has also put
>>>>> a
>>>>> comfortable rubber handgrip on the handle, with finger grooves in the
>>>>> front. Itâ?Ts a very comfortable grip, even for a dog with quite a bit
>>>>> of
>>>>> pull. I'd maybe prefer a bit more of a rounded grip, maybe a little
>>>>> padding under the grip, but even with that, I like it. Youâ?Tll have
>>>>> absolutely no trouble following your dog due to â?osloppyâ? handle
>>>>> connections, because the connections are definitely not sloppy and
>>>>> donâ?Tt have excessive play in them at all. Highly recommended,
>>>>> especially for the price.
>>>
>>>>> Anyway, if youâ?Tre owner training, or if you just need or want
>>>>> alternative equipment, give these a look. You wonâ?Tt be sorry.
>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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