[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 145, Issue 5
Miranda
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Wed Apr 5 18:31:35 UTC 2017
Thank you. I will check the archives. I'm sorry that I missed your previous postings, but I am new to this list as of yesterday.
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> On Apr 5, 2017, at 1:26 PM, Suzanne Posner via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Since 2011, Brianna and I have been to: USA, the DR, Brazil(Rio state), Mexico, Spain(Barcelona area), England( including Scotland), Ireland, Italy and Switzerland. I have posted about our experiences.
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> 1. Re: [nagdu] Vet services at convention (Sherri)
> 2. Re: [nagdu] Vet services at convention (Sherri)
> 3. Re: [nagdu] Vet services at convention (Cindy Ray)
> 4. Re: International travel with a guidedog (Sandra Burmester)
> 5. Re: International travel with a guidedog (Miranda)
> 6. Re: International travel with a guidedog (Dan Weiner)
> 7. Re: International travel with a guide dog (Alysha)
> 8. Re: International travel with a guidedog (Dan Weiner)
> 9. Looking for any handlers on here residing in Riverside, CA to
> talk to. (Yegue N. Badigue)
> 10. Re: International travel with a guide dog (Star Gazer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 19:23:15 -0400
> From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
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> You're welcome.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Vet services at convention
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> Tina and all,
>
> Long time guide dog user Sherri Brun from Orlando would be a good bet to
> answer this question. She's on this list, so she will hopefully respond with
> some good contact information for us.
>
> Sherrill
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:05 PM
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> Subject: [nagdu] Vet services at convention
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> Hello- Does anyone know of any vet clinics in the area where our national
> convention is being held?
> Tina and the girls
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> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 19:24:03 -0400
> From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
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> There are lots of vets. My vet is about 3 miles away from downtown. I can
> check to see if I can give them as a reference.
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Tina and all,
>
> Long time guide dog user Sherri Brun from Orlando would be a good bet to
> answer this question. She's on this list, so she will hopefully respond with
> some good contact information for us.
>
> Sherrill
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:05 PM
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> Subject: [nagdu] Vet services at convention
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> Hello- Does anyone know of any vet clinics in the area where our national
> convention is being held?
> Tina and the girls
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> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 18:37:27 -0500
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
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> Ladies and gentlemen. Please, please, please do not write one line messages,
> especially when they are two word messages. The message below says "You're
> welcome." Under that is a message dated June 19, 2013. Please make your
> messages just a tad more definitive. Even if you are trying to tell us there
> is vet service in Orlando, you must say what it is you are trying to say.
> People are busy with E-mails, FaceBook, Texting, etc., and they don't want
> to have to dig through a four year old message to get what it is about.
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> Thank you so much for your cooperation.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherri via NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 6:23 PM
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> You're welcome.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sherrill O'Brien" <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:38 PM
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>
> Tina and all,
>
> Long time guide dog user Sherri Brun from Orlando would be a good bet to
> answer this question. She's on this list, so she will hopefully respond with
> some good contact information for us.
>
> Sherrill
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:05 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com
> Subject: [nagdu] Vet services at convention
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>
> Hello- Does anyone know of any vet clinics in the area where our national
> convention is being held?
> Tina and the girls
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> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 16:48:13 -0700
> From: Sandra Burmester <skburmester at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] International travel with a guidedog
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> I whole heartedly agree with Bonnie,
> Sandra
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> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Bonnie Mosen via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
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>> HI Miranda. How exciting. I'm an American living in New Zealand with my
>> Seeing Eye dog. My best advice is do your research prior to travel. The
>> biggest challenge to taking a guide abroad is, imo, is the mountain of
>> paperwork that may be required by whatever country you will be staying in.
>> If you may be travelling to different countries during your stay that will
>> also need to be taken into consideration. For example, I had to start the
>> paperwork for New Zealand six months before I moved, and my dog had to be
>> in
>> a home quarantine for two weeks once I arrived. NZ's extreme, but most
>> countries have some sort of entry requirement. Second would be cultural
>> attitudes and laws. This shouldn't be a problem with most countries but
>> something you might want to consider. Years ago when I was to travel to
>> Morrocco I could have taken my dog, but because the orientation to dogs was
>> different than in other places I left her behind. They also didn't have
>> public access laws for guide dogs, and I couldn't force myself in. smile I
>> would recommend being with your guide at least a year before doing any type
>> of study abroad, as you want to make sure you are a good working team.
>> There
>> are many guide dog schools who are members of the International Guide Dog
>> Federation, and it may be possible to contact the school in whatever
>> country
>> you would be living in. Best of luck.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bonnie Mosen -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:24 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] International travel with a guidedog
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am considering getting a guy dog, but I am also an undergraduate student
>> looking at internship opportunities overseas within the next couple years.
>> I'm wondering how practical it would be to get a guy dog prior to a
>> semester
>> abroad, or if it would be better to wait until I graduate and would only be
>> traveling on a less frequent basis for more short-term opportunities (10
>> days-1 month). If traveling to a country that would pose undo hardship or
>> extreme complications, I have considered leaving the dog at home with my
>> husband for more of a short-term trip (10 days or less). In other words,
>> the
>> practicality of taking a dog overseas would need to be considered on a
>> case-by-case basis.
>> If you've traveled overseas with your guidedog, where did you go and for
>> how
>> long? What are some other factors to consider when traveling abroad with a
>> guy dog?
>> Thanks for your help, and have a wonderful week!
>>
>> Best wishes, Miranda
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 20:11:03 -0400
> From: Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com>
> To: Bonnie Mosen <bonnie at mosen.org>
> Cc: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] International travel with a guidedog
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> Hi,
> Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I especially appreciate your note about the cultural considerations, as this is one reason why I would consider leaving my guide dog home with my husband, along with considering short-term trips to countries where quarantines would be about the same length as my trip itself.
> I think I will probably wait until I graduate from my bachelors degree to get a guide, but I would still love to hear everyone's experiences about traveling overseas, as this information will be very helpful for future travel.
> Thanks again, and have a wonderful week!
>
> Best wishes, Miranda
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Bonnie Mosen <bonnie at mosen.org> wrote:
>>
>> HI Miranda. How exciting. I'm an American living in New Zealand with my
>> Seeing Eye dog. My best advice is do your research prior to travel. The
>> biggest challenge to taking a guide abroad is, imo, is the mountain of
>> paperwork that may be required by whatever country you will be staying in.
>> If you may be travelling to different countries during your stay that will
>> also need to be taken into consideration. For example, I had to start the
>> paperwork for New Zealand six months before I moved, and my dog had to be in
>> a home quarantine for two weeks once I arrived. NZ's extreme, but most
>> countries have some sort of entry requirement. Second would be cultural
>> attitudes and laws. This shouldn't be a problem with most countries but
>> something you might want to consider. Years ago when I was to travel to
>> Morrocco I could have taken my dog, but because the orientation to dogs was
>> different than in other places I left her behind. They also didn't have
>> public access laws for guide dogs, and I couldn't force myself in. smile I
>> would recommend being with your guide at least a year before doing any type
>> of study abroad, as you want to make sure you are a good working team. There
>> are many guide dog schools who are members of the International Guide Dog
>> Federation, and it may be possible to contact the school in whatever country
>> you would be living in. Best of luck.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bonnie Mosen -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:24 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] International travel with a guidedog
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am considering getting a guy dog, but I am also an undergraduate student
>> looking at internship opportunities overseas within the next couple years.
>> I'm wondering how practical it would be to get a guy dog prior to a semester
>> abroad, or if it would be better to wait until I graduate and would only be
>> traveling on a less frequent basis for more short-term opportunities (10
>> days-1 month). If traveling to a country that would pose undo hardship or
>> extreme complications, I have considered leaving the dog at home with my
>> husband for more of a short-term trip (10 days or less). In other words, the
>> practicality of taking a dog overseas would need to be considered on a
>> case-by-case basis.
>> If you've traveled overseas with your guidedog, where did you go and for how
>> long? What are some other factors to consider when traveling abroad with a
>> guy dog?
>> Thanks for your help, and have a wonderful week!
>>
>> Best wishes, Miranda
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 20:27:55 -0400
> From: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
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> also Japan has a lot of cultural attitudes about big dogs and dog in
> houses and so on that are a bit different, I was there just about two
> years,, and though I did not live as long there as Sandra, my experience
> i suspect is still valid--and I was on my own most of the time. Access
> can be interesting especially in hotels and any places with tatami
> flooring--lol.
>
> I seem to remember reading about you, , Sandra, that you were doing
> church work and were with your husband, you had a golden and a poodle if
> you're the same person, and I'd be happy to hear about what you did
> and your experiences. w .
>
> Anyway,
>
> Also, Sandra, tell me if I'm wrong, but haven't the restrictions gotten
> a bit more involved for entry in terms of needing to produce rabies
> tytor test, not sure of spelling. Therefore a short trip to Japan would
> be rather impractical.
>
> Sorry now I reread your post and you mentioned titor tests, so here'
> my question, is that valid only for the first time and if you were to,
> say leave Japan and come back would you have to go through the dsame
> rigmarole?
>
> When I went it was a question of preparing for the two week in home
> quarantine in quotes. They wanted a big form filled out one which, must
> must must, have a seal on it--smile As a matter of fact when I faxed a
> copy they complained that the seal was not raised.
>
> Then they wanted a picture or diagram of the room or place where the dog
> would be in quotes quarantined and my itenerary for the first two weeks,
> I would then fill out a form every day and the quarantine officer would
> come and check on you after two weeks.
>
> Very pleasant people I dealt with but very demanding in terms of paperwork.
>
> I should point out that the phrase in home is a symbolic phrase, you
> can go out and about with your guide dog, but they call it in home and
> at least theoretically you should keep your dog away from other dogs for
> the two week period. Since I had a friend with a guide dog I can pretty
> forthrightly say that I ignored that one--lol..Also don't get me started
> on Japanese guide dog handlers, that's a different story.so if I say,
> wanted to visit Japan I'm assuming I would need the titor test nowadays,
> as I said that was not the requirement then, It was a rabies shot which
> was given at least thirty days before arrival.
>
> Because of that, my original flight, Sept 11, 2001 was changed to Sept
> 28th, 2001. Imagine the mess if I'd gone on the eleventh.
>
> I was a student there and then I spent time looking for work and so on
> and doing research.
>
>
> good luck, and remember I was there from 2001 through 2003 so things
> might be totally different
>
>
> If nothing else the quarantine and all the rest of it was good practice
> to improve my Japanese language skills aas since that was my major I was
> pretty uncompromising about using Japanese.
>
> So in my honest opinion, Miranda, if you are looking to do an exchange
> in Japan I'm not convinced a guide dog is the best option unless of
> course you have the dog for some time already and are a seasoned team,
> the paperwork if nothing else will get you down--lol.
> I'm travelled to three countries with a guide dog, Russia, Japan, and
> Mexico.. Paperwork varied from place to place, the big problem was
> access and cultural issues. In Russia, people love big dogs but guide
> dogs were pretty much unknown even though supposedly they have schools
> there and access was abysmal.
> Japan, guide dogs schhols and even some legislation (wwell actually
> Russia had legislation but tit doesn't do any good and there are holes
> in it which I can explain at some point),
> anyway, Japan, some legislation but cultural attitudes aobu tdogs differ
> and there were some interesting situations. The Japanese people aren't
> necessarily always as polite and deferential as stereotypes make them
> out to be. Having said there are ignorant people here in the States, too.
>
> Mexico, actually most people were helpful in terms of directions and so
> on but there were some strange access situations there too.
> I actually want to start traveling again and especially if i go to
> anywhere n Europe or Latin America I might indeed be accompanied by my
> guide dog, after all I love working with my dog and walking with him,
> but I'll admit access can be quite interesting and I'm perhaps not as
> patient with people as I used to be.
>
> Therefore, I am interested in all the responses and will take it all in
> to account.
> Fortunately we have the net which will serve us to find all sorts of
> useful info.
> Even in 2001 when I went to Japan, the net was not as chalked with info
> as it is now. You can talk to people, get iin touch with blind people or
> schools and so on. Remember one thing though which I learned, everything
> may vary depending on your experience. Blind people from that or
> whatever country may tell you things like "no you cna't bring a dog
> here, you'll have problems" and you may havenone, or the other way around.
>
>
> I would say living situations were the most complicated in Japan, the
> dorm I stayed in for example told me friendly things like "well since
> you have a dog you won't be able to use the washer and drier becuase the
> other students won't want dog hair on their clothes, sorry." Said very
> politely so sorry--lol but the comment itiself was pretty bad, and
> that's thnot the only one. I told them I understand their point of view
> but to make it convenient for all you can give me my own washer and
> drier--lol and hat was the end of their objections.
>
> I was staying at an international dorm in yokohama, no other living
> situations when I was accepted for the program I was at wnated me and
> the dog, I mean NO Others, no rooms for rent, no appartment, no shard
> housing. To find a place the director of my school the Inter University
> Center for Japanese Lanugage sStudies, Stanford Pacifico (Yokohama) had
> to intervene several times. That did not help when the ten months of
> dorm stay were up and I wanted to live and work in Japan, that's a whole
> other question.
>
>
> Anyway, remember these are my opinions, experiences, and comments and
> are not meant to negate anyone else's experiences, good or bad, or to
> tell anyyone what they shoudl do or not do, I have my own style and it
> works for me, I can be pretty assertive.
>
> Also it is not meant to make anyone form any other country feel bad, I'
> mjust telling what happens to me and I tend to like syaing things as
> they are or as they seem to me.
>
> Hugs to all and wags from Parker
>
> 4/4/2017 5:21 PM, Sandra Burmester via NAGDU wrote:
>> Hi,
>> When we went to Japan for the first time. We had to follow all the rules
>> about a rabies free zone. My dog had to be mirochiped first then have a
>> rabies shot then 30 days latter another rabies shot then a titer test
>> done. It had to follow a strict shedule. Then you have to wait for 180
>> days. Then submit your paper work. You can look up all this info on the
>> internet. Guide dogs don't have to go through the quarintine time in
>> japan. At least I didn't. You could ccontact the Kansai Guide dog school
>> and they may be able to help you with paperwork.
>> I hope this helps.
>> Sandra
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've not traveled internationally, but I have traveled within the U.S. and
>>> left one or both dogs at home with my husband or others. I owner train and
>>> currently switch between two dogs. Even previously when I've only had one
>>> dog working, I've generally had two or even three dogs in various stages
>>> of being trained or retired or whatever. My husband really does not enjoy
>>> traveling and is content to stay at home with the dogs. It works for
>>> us. To each his or her own, I guess.
>>>
>>> Julie
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> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 20:41:07 -0400
> From: "Alysha" <alyshaj at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] International travel with a guide dog
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> Hi Miranda,
> I just returned from a 9 day trip to Portugal with my guide dog, Xylon.
> Overall, it was a good experience, and I am glad I brought him with me. Most
> countries in the EU have the same requirements for entry with a dog,
> although a few of them have additional requirements. This is a great website
> where you can look up the exact requirements for traveling with a dog to
> specific countries:
> https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/pet-travel
> For the Portugal trip, Xylon needed to have been given a Rabies vaccine
> while he was also microchipped. Since his last Rabies vaccine was given
> before he got his microchip, I had to give him his next Rabies vaccine
> earlier than I otherwise would have in order for him to go on the trip.
> Also, I had to get an international health certificate filled out by my vet
> within 10 days of entering Portugal, and I had to FedEx it to a USDA office
> to be endorsed. The USDA will waive the fee for endorsing health
> certificates if you submit an ID card showing that it is for a service
> animal. One quick word of warning is that if you have a layover in another
> country, you may also have to meet their specific requirements in addition
> to those of your final destination. I originally planned to connect in
> Heathrow, but their requirements were kind of crazy, so I got different
> flights connecting in the US instead.
>
> When I arrived in Portugal, I met with the vet at the airport who reviewed
> my documentation and signed off on the paperwork. There is also a fee to
> enter Portugal with a dog, but it was waived for us since he is a guide dog.
> I again showed my Seeing Eye ID card as documentation to have the fee
> waived.
>
> Overseas flights can be hard on dogs because they must spend a long time in
> very cramped quarters without being able to relieve themselves and with
> restricted access to water. The longest leg of my flight was 8 hours, and
> I'm not sure I would be comfortable putting Xylon through anything too much
> longer than that. Luckily I was able to take him out to relieve during my
> layovers, and he is a great plane traveler.
>
> I had very few access issues in Portugal, and on the 2 occasions where
> businesses were reluctant to let us in, the situation was quickly and easily
> resolved. They have laws in place allowing people with service animals the
> right to enter any public place, similar to the US. Everyone seemed to be
> familiar with guide dogs and was very welcoming to us. However, people often
> tried to pet him in harness, and my language skills weren't always good
> enough to politely tell them to stop because he was working. I notified
> pretty much everyone (hotel, tours, meeting facility, etc.) in advance that
> I was bringing a dog. I don't typically do this in the US but wasn't as
> confident with the laws in Portugal.
>
> There are a lot of considerations that I would take into account when
> deciding whether or not to bring a dog on a trip overseas, e.g. length of
> the flight, your dog's tolerance of travel/breaks in routine, how easily
> available your dog's food and safe drinking water would be, whether or not
> the country is known to have a large number of loose dogs in the streets,
> access to veterinary care if needed, access laws, cultural attitudes toward
> dogs, quarantine requirements, length of the trip, etc. I don't know if I
> can give a specific age at which I think a dog would generally be ready for
> a trip like this, but I do think it's valuable for you to have traveled
> multiple times domestically with your dog before going abroad. I would
> personally really try to minimize the amount of time away from your dog in
> especially the first year or two of your partnership. A 1-week trip would
> probably be fine, but taking several 1-week trips without your dog will
> likely negatively impact your working relationship. The longest I have left
> Xylon is 4 days, and he's now 3 years old.
>
> Anyway, just my 2 cents. Hope it was helpful, and best of luck to you in
> whatever you decide!
>
> Alysha
>
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> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] International travel with a guidedog
>
> Hi,
> I am considering getting a guy dog, but I am also an undergraduate student
> looking at internship opportunities overseas within the next couple years.
> I'm wondering how practical it would be to get a guy dog prior to a semester
> abroad, or if it would be better to wait until I graduate and would only be
> traveling on a less frequent basis for more short-term opportunities (10
> days-1 month). If traveling to a country that would pose undo hardship or
> extreme complications, I have considered leaving the dog at home with my
> husband for more of a short-term trip (10 days or less). In other words, the
> practicality of taking a dog overseas would need to be considered on a
> case-by-case basis.
> If you've traveled overseas with your guidedog, where did you go and for how
> long? What are some other factors to consider when traveling abroad with a
> guy dog?
> Thanks for your help, and have a wonderful week!
>
> Best wishes, Miranda
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 20:44:47 -0400
> From: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] International travel with a guidedog
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> I am seinding the letter our moderator wrote to me, so you all will know
> that people can't express themselves on this list.
>
>
> Dan, I expect you planned to hear from me. Be very careful what you say
> on this list. You made it a point to more or less slur the dog handlers
> in Japan. One of them, as you know, is on this list. Would you feel
> welcome if you were on someone else?s list and these things were said.
> You also did go on and on and on about Japan. Not even sure Miranda is
> going to Japan. Try very hard to just say what you mean and don?t
> belabor it. Just because we have a list here doesn?t mean we can write
> whatever we please, push send, and it isn?t noticed. A little tact is in
> order, so think how it sounds please before you send it.
> Thanks, Dan, for your cooperation.
> Cindy Lou Ray
>
>
>> On 4/4/2017 8:27 PM, Dan Weiner via NAGDU wrote:
>> also Japan has a lot of cultural attitudes about big dogs and dog in
>> houses and so on that are a bit different, I was there just about two
>> years,, and though I did not live as long there as Sandra, my
>> experience i suspect is still valid--and I was on my own most of the
>> time. Access can be interesting especially in hotels and any places
>> with tatami flooring--lol.
>>
>> I seem to remember reading about you, , Sandra, that you were doing
>> church work and were with your husband, you had a golden and a poodle
>> if you're the same person, and I'd be happy to hear about what you
>> did and your experiences. w .
>>
>> Anyway,
>>
>> Also, Sandra, tell me if I'm wrong, but haven't the restrictions
>> gotten a bit more involved for entry in terms of needing to produce
>> rabies tytor test, not sure of spelling. Therefore a short trip to
>> Japan would be rather impractical.
>>
>> Sorry now I reread your post and you mentioned titor tests, so here'
>> my question, is that valid only for the first time and if you were to,
>> say leave Japan and come back would you have to go through the dsame
>> rigmarole?
>>
>> When I went it was a question of preparing for the two week in home
>> quarantine in quotes. They wanted a big form filled out one which,
>> must must must, have a seal on it--smile As a matter of fact when I
>> faxed a copy they complained that the seal was not raised.
>>
>> Then they wanted a picture or diagram of the room or place where the
>> dog would be in quotes quarantined and my itenerary for the first two
>> weeks, I would then fill out a form every day and the quarantine
>> officer would come and check on you after two weeks.
>>
>> Very pleasant people I dealt with but very demanding in terms of
>> paperwork.
>>
>> I should point out that the phrase in home is a symbolic phrase, you
>> can go out and about with your guide dog, but they call it in home and
>> at least theoretically you should keep your dog away from other dogs
>> for the two week period. Since I had a friend with a guide dog I can
>> pretty forthrightly say that I ignored that one--lol..Also don't get
>> me started on Japanese guide dog handlers, that's a different story.so
>> if I say, wanted to visit Japan I'm assuming I would need the titor
>> test nowadays, as I said that was not the requirement then, It was a
>> rabies shot which was given at least thirty days before arrival.
>>
>> Because of that, my original flight, Sept 11, 2001 was changed to Sept
>> 28th, 2001. Imagine the mess if I'd gone on the eleventh.
>>
>> I was a student there and then I spent time looking for work and so on
>> and doing research.
>>
>>
>> good luck, and remember I was there from 2001 through 2003 so things
>> might be totally different
>>
>>
>> If nothing else the quarantine and all the rest of it was good
>> practice to improve my Japanese language skills aas since that was my
>> major I was pretty uncompromising about using Japanese.
>>
>> So in my honest opinion, Miranda, if you are looking to do an exchange
>> in Japan I'm not convinced a guide dog is the best option unless of
>> course you have the dog for some time already and are a seasoned team,
>> the paperwork if nothing else will get you down--lol.
>> I'm travelled to three countries with a guide dog, Russia, Japan, and
>> Mexico.. Paperwork varied from place to place, the big problem was
>> access and cultural issues. In Russia, people love big dogs but guide
>> dogs were pretty much unknown even though supposedly they have schools
>> there and access was abysmal.
>> Japan, guide dogs schhols and even some legislation (wwell actually
>> Russia had legislation but tit doesn't do any good and there are holes
>> in it which I can explain at some point),
>> anyway, Japan, some legislation but cultural attitudes aobu tdogs
>> differ and there were some interesting situations. The Japanese
>> people aren't necessarily always as polite and deferential as
>> stereotypes make them out to be. Having said there are ignorant
>> people here in the States, too.
>>
>> Mexico, actually most people were helpful in terms of directions and
>> so on but there were some strange access situations there too.
>> I actually want to start traveling again and especially if i go to
>> anywhere n Europe or Latin America I might indeed be accompanied by my
>> guide dog, after all I love working with my dog and walking with him,
>> but I'll admit access can be quite interesting and I'm perhaps not as
>> patient with people as I used to be.
>>
>> Therefore, I am interested in all the responses and will take it all
>> in to account.
>> Fortunately we have the net which will serve us to find all sorts of
>> useful info.
>> Even in 2001 when I went to Japan, the net was not as chalked with
>> info as it is now. You can talk to people, get iin touch with blind
>> people or schools and so on. Remember one thing though which I
>> learned, everything may vary depending on your experience. Blind
>> people from that or whatever country may tell you things like "no you
>> cna't bring a dog here, you'll have problems" and you may havenone, or
>> the other way around.
>>
>>
>> I would say living situations were the most complicated in Japan, the
>> dorm I stayed in for example told me friendly things like "well since
>> you have a dog you won't be able to use the washer and drier becuase
>> the other students won't want dog hair on their clothes, sorry." Said
>> very politely so sorry--lol but the comment itiself was pretty bad,
>> and that's thnot the only one. I told them I understand their point of
>> view but to make it convenient for all you can give me my own washer
>> and drier--lol and hat was the end of their objections.
>>
>> I was staying at an international dorm in yokohama, no other living
>> situations when I was accepted for the program I was at wnated me and
>> the dog, I mean NO Others, no rooms for rent, no appartment, no shard
>> housing. To find a place the director of my school the Inter
>> University Center for Japanese Lanugage sStudies, Stanford Pacifico
>> (Yokohama) had to intervene several times. That did not help when the
>> ten months of dorm stay were up and I wanted to live and work in
>> Japan, that's a whole other question.
>>
>>
>> Anyway, remember these are my opinions, experiences, and comments and
>> are not meant to negate anyone else's experiences, good or bad, or to
>> tell anyyone what they shoudl do or not do, I have my own style and it
>> works for me, I can be pretty assertive.
>>
>> Also it is not meant to make anyone form any other country feel bad,
>> I' mjust telling what happens to me and I tend to like syaing things
>> as they are or as they seem to me.
>>
>> Hugs to all and wags from Parker
>>
>> 4/4/2017 5:21 PM, Sandra Burmester via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> When we went to Japan for the first time. We had to follow all the
>>> rules
>>> about a rabies free zone. My dog had to be mirochiped first then have a
>>> rabies shot then 30 days latter another rabies shot then a titer test
>>> done. It had to follow a strict shedule. Then you have to wait for 180
>>> days. Then submit your paper work. You can look up all this info on
>>> the
>>> internet. Guide dogs don't have to go through the quarintine time in
>>> japan. At least I didn't. You could ccontact the Kansai Guide dog
>>> school
>>> and they may be able to help you with paperwork.
>>> I hope this helps.
>>> Sandra
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've not traveled internationally, but I have traveled within the
>>>> U.S. and
>>>> left one or both dogs at home with my husband or others. I owner
>>>> train and
>>>> currently switch between two dogs. Even previously when I've only
>>>> had one
>>>> dog working, I've generally had two or even three dogs in various
>>>> stages
>>>> of being trained or retired or whatever. My husband really does not
>>>> enjoy
>>>> traveling and is content to stay at home with the dogs. It works for
>>>> us. To each his or her own, I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 02:44:21 +0000
> From: "Yegue N. Badigue" <Y.Badigue at outlook.com>
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> Subject: [NAGDU] Looking for any handlers on here residing in
> Riverside, CA to talk to.
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> Hello fellow handlers, or non-handlers!
> If there is any of you residing in Riverside, CA, please write me off list?
> I would like to have some talks with you, as I explore it for a potential relocating project.
> Please write me off list to:
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> Thanks much in advance, hope to have some Q&As. I handle a cross lab/Golden, class of 2014, here in California.
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 07:39:24 -0400
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] International travel with a guide dog
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> Hi. I am going to channel the owner trainers
> on the list. What would happen if you don't have an id card for the dog? Do
> you just pay the money you'd pay for a pet? Are the waived requirements not
> waived unless the dog is from a school and the person has the id card?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alysha via NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:41 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Alysha <alyshaj at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] International travel with a guide dog
>
> Hi Miranda,
> I just returned from a 9 day trip to Portugal with my guide dog, Xylon.
> Overall, it was a good experience, and I am glad I brought him with me. Most
> countries in the EU have the same requirements for entry with a dog,
> although a few of them have additional requirements. This is a great website
> where you can look up the exact requirements for traveling with a dog to
> specific countries:
> https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/pet-travel
> For the Portugal trip, Xylon needed to have been given a Rabies vaccine
> while he was also microchipped. Since his last Rabies vaccine was given
> before he got his microchip, I had to give him his next Rabies vaccine
> earlier than I otherwise would have in order for him to go on the trip.
> Also, I had to get an international health certificate filled out by my vet
> within 10 days of entering Portugal, and I had to FedEx it to a USDA office
> to be endorsed. The USDA will waive the fee for endorsing health
> certificates if you submit an ID card showing that it is for a service
> animal. One quick word of warning is that if you have a layover in another
> country, you may also have to meet their specific requirements in addition
> to those of your final destination. I originally planned to connect in
> Heathrow, but their requirements were kind of crazy, so I got different
> flights connecting in the US instead.
>
> When I arrived in Portugal, I met with the vet at the airport who reviewed
> my documentation and signed off on the paperwork. There is also a fee to
> enter Portugal with a dog, but it was waived for us since he is a guide dog.
> I again showed my Seeing Eye ID card as documentation to have the fee
> waived.
>
> Overseas flights can be hard on dogs because they must spend a long time in
> very cramped quarters without being able to relieve themselves and with
> restricted access to water. The longest leg of my flight was 8 hours, and
> I'm not sure I would be comfortable putting Xylon through anything too much
> longer than that. Luckily I was able to take him out to relieve during my
> layovers, and he is a great plane traveler.
>
> I had very few access issues in Portugal, and on the 2 occasions where
> businesses were reluctant to let us in, the situation was quickly and easily
> resolved. They have laws in place allowing people with service animals the
> right to enter any public place, similar to the US. Everyone seemed to be
> familiar with guide dogs and was very welcoming to us. However, people often
> tried to pet him in harness, and my language skills weren't always good
> enough to politely tell them to stop because he was working. I notified
> pretty much everyone (hotel, tours, meeting facility, etc.) in advance that
> I was bringing a dog. I don't typically do this in the US but wasn't as
> confident with the laws in Portugal.
>
> There are a lot of considerations that I would take into account when
> deciding whether or not to bring a dog on a trip overseas, e.g. length of
> the flight, your dog's tolerance of travel/breaks in routine, how easily
> available your dog's food and safe drinking water would be, whether or not
> the country is known to have a large number of loose dogs in the streets,
> access to veterinary care if needed, access laws, cultural attitudes toward
> dogs, quarantine requirements, length of the trip, etc. I don't know if I
> can give a specific age at which I think a dog would generally be ready for
> a trip like this, but I do think it's valuable for you to have traveled
> multiple times domestically with your dog before going abroad. I would
> personally really try to minimize the amount of time away from your dog in
> especially the first year or two of your partnership. A 1-week trip would
> probably be fine, but taking several 1-week trips without your dog will
> likely negatively impact your working relationship. The longest I have left
> Xylon is 4 days, and he's now 3 years old.
>
> Anyway, just my 2 cents. Hope it was helpful, and best of luck to you in
> whatever you decide!
>
> Alysha
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:24 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] International travel with a guidedog
>
> Hi,
> I am considering getting a guy dog, but I am also an undergraduate student
> looking at internship opportunities overseas within the next couple years.
> I'm wondering how practical it would be to get a guy dog prior to a semester
> abroad, or if it would be better to wait until I graduate and would only be
> traveling on a less frequent basis for more short-term opportunities (10
> days-1 month). If traveling to a country that would pose undo hardship or
> extreme complications, I have considered leaving the dog at home with my
> husband for more of a short-term trip (10 days or less). In other words, the
> practicality of taking a dog overseas would need to be considered on a
> case-by-case basis.
> If you've traveled overseas with your guidedog, where did you go and for how
> long? What are some other factors to consider when traveling abroad with a
> guy dog?
> Thanks for your help, and have a wonderful week!
>
> Best wishes, Miranda
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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