[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 145, Issue 5
Suzanne Posner
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Wed Apr 5 17:26:49 UTC 2017
Since 2011, Brianna and I have been to: USA, the DR, Brazil(Rio state), Mexico, Spain(Barcelona area), England( including Scotland), Ireland, Italy and Switzerland. I have posted about our experiences.
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1. Re: [nagdu] Vet services at convention (Sherri)
2. Re: [nagdu] Vet services at convention (Sherri)
3. Re: [nagdu] Vet services at convention (Cindy Ray)
4. Re: International travel with a guidedog (Sandra Burmester)
5. Re: International travel with a guidedog (Miranda)
6. Re: International travel with a guidedog (Dan Weiner)
7. Re: International travel with a guide dog (Alysha)
8. Re: International travel with a guidedog (Dan Weiner)
9. Looking for any handlers on here residing in Riverside, CA to
talk to. (Yegue N. Badigue)
10. Re: International travel with a guide dog (Star Gazer)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 19:23:15 -0400
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You're welcome.
----- Original Message -----
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Tina and all,
Long time guide dog user Sherri Brun from Orlando would be a good bet to
answer this question. She's on this list, so she will hopefully respond with
some good contact information for us.
Sherrill
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:05 PM
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Subject: [nagdu] Vet services at convention
Hello- Does anyone know of any vet clinics in the area where our national
convention is being held?
Tina and the girls
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 19:24:03 -0400
From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
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There are lots of vets. My vet is about 3 miles away from downtown. I can
check to see if I can give them as a reference.
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Tina and all,
Long time guide dog user Sherri Brun from Orlando would be a good bet to
answer this question. She's on this list, so she will hopefully respond with
some good contact information for us.
Sherrill
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Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:05 PM
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Subject: [nagdu] Vet services at convention
Hello- Does anyone know of any vet clinics in the area where our national
convention is being held?
Tina and the girls
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 18:37:27 -0500
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
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Ladies and gentlemen. Please, please, please do not write one line messages,
especially when they are two word messages. The message below says "You're
welcome." Under that is a message dated June 19, 2013. Please make your
messages just a tad more definitive. Even if you are trying to tell us there
is vet service in Orlando, you must say what it is you are trying to say.
People are busy with E-mails, FaceBook, Texting, etc., and they don't want
to have to dig through a four year old message to get what it is about.
Thank you so much for your cooperation.
Cindy Lou Ray
Moderator
-----Original Message-----
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You're welcome.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:38 PM
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Tina and all,
Long time guide dog user Sherri Brun from Orlando would be a good bet to
answer this question. She's on this list, so she will hopefully respond with
some good contact information for us.
Sherrill
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:05 PM
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Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com
Subject: [nagdu] Vet services at convention
Hello- Does anyone know of any vet clinics in the area where our national
convention is being held?
Tina and the girls
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 16:48:13 -0700
From: Sandra Burmester <skburmester at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] International travel with a guidedog
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I whole heartedly agree with Bonnie,
Sandra
On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Bonnie Mosen via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> HI Miranda. How exciting. I'm an American living in New Zealand with my
> Seeing Eye dog. My best advice is do your research prior to travel. The
> biggest challenge to taking a guide abroad is, imo, is the mountain of
> paperwork that may be required by whatever country you will be staying in.
> If you may be travelling to different countries during your stay that will
> also need to be taken into consideration. For example, I had to start the
> paperwork for New Zealand six months before I moved, and my dog had to be
> in
> a home quarantine for two weeks once I arrived. NZ's extreme, but most
> countries have some sort of entry requirement. Second would be cultural
> attitudes and laws. This shouldn't be a problem with most countries but
> something you might want to consider. Years ago when I was to travel to
> Morrocco I could have taken my dog, but because the orientation to dogs was
> different than in other places I left her behind. They also didn't have
> public access laws for guide dogs, and I couldn't force myself in. smile I
> would recommend being with your guide at least a year before doing any type
> of study abroad, as you want to make sure you are a good working team.
> There
> are many guide dog schools who are members of the International Guide Dog
> Federation, and it may be possible to contact the school in whatever
> country
> you would be living in. Best of luck.
>
> Cheers
> Bonnie Mosen -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:24 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] International travel with a guidedog
>
> Hi,
> I am considering getting a guy dog, but I am also an undergraduate student
> looking at internship opportunities overseas within the next couple years.
> I'm wondering how practical it would be to get a guy dog prior to a
> semester
> abroad, or if it would be better to wait until I graduate and would only be
> traveling on a less frequent basis for more short-term opportunities (10
> days-1 month). If traveling to a country that would pose undo hardship or
> extreme complications, I have considered leaving the dog at home with my
> husband for more of a short-term trip (10 days or less). In other words,
> the
> practicality of taking a dog overseas would need to be considered on a
> case-by-case basis.
> If you've traveled overseas with your guidedog, where did you go and for
> how
> long? What are some other factors to consider when traveling abroad with a
> guy dog?
> Thanks for your help, and have a wonderful week!
>
> Best wishes, Miranda
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 20:11:03 -0400
From: Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com>
To: Bonnie Mosen <bonnie at mosen.org>
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] International travel with a guidedog
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Hi,
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I especially appreciate your note about the cultural considerations, as this is one reason why I would consider leaving my guide dog home with my husband, along with considering short-term trips to countries where quarantines would be about the same length as my trip itself.
I think I will probably wait until I graduate from my bachelors degree to get a guide, but I would still love to hear everyone's experiences about traveling overseas, as this information will be very helpful for future travel.
Thanks again, and have a wonderful week!
Best wishes, Miranda
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 4, 2017, at 5:46 PM, Bonnie Mosen <bonnie at mosen.org> wrote:
>
> HI Miranda. How exciting. I'm an American living in New Zealand with my
> Seeing Eye dog. My best advice is do your research prior to travel. The
> biggest challenge to taking a guide abroad is, imo, is the mountain of
> paperwork that may be required by whatever country you will be staying in.
> If you may be travelling to different countries during your stay that will
> also need to be taken into consideration. For example, I had to start the
> paperwork for New Zealand six months before I moved, and my dog had to be in
> a home quarantine for two weeks once I arrived. NZ's extreme, but most
> countries have some sort of entry requirement. Second would be cultural
> attitudes and laws. This shouldn't be a problem with most countries but
> something you might want to consider. Years ago when I was to travel to
> Morrocco I could have taken my dog, but because the orientation to dogs was
> different than in other places I left her behind. They also didn't have
> public access laws for guide dogs, and I couldn't force myself in. smile I
> would recommend being with your guide at least a year before doing any type
> of study abroad, as you want to make sure you are a good working team. There
> are many guide dog schools who are members of the International Guide Dog
> Federation, and it may be possible to contact the school in whatever country
> you would be living in. Best of luck.
>
> Cheers
> Bonnie Mosen -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:24 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] International travel with a guidedog
>
> Hi,
> I am considering getting a guy dog, but I am also an undergraduate student
> looking at internship opportunities overseas within the next couple years.
> I'm wondering how practical it would be to get a guy dog prior to a semester
> abroad, or if it would be better to wait until I graduate and would only be
> traveling on a less frequent basis for more short-term opportunities (10
> days-1 month). If traveling to a country that would pose undo hardship or
> extreme complications, I have considered leaving the dog at home with my
> husband for more of a short-term trip (10 days or less). In other words, the
> practicality of taking a dog overseas would need to be considered on a
> case-by-case basis.
> If you've traveled overseas with your guidedog, where did you go and for how
> long? What are some other factors to consider when traveling abroad with a
> guy dog?
> Thanks for your help, and have a wonderful week!
>
> Best wishes, Miranda
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 20:27:55 -0400
From: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
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also Japan has a lot of cultural attitudes about big dogs and dog in
houses and so on that are a bit different, I was there just about two
years,, and though I did not live as long there as Sandra, my experience
i suspect is still valid--and I was on my own most of the time. Access
can be interesting especially in hotels and any places with tatami
flooring--lol.
I seem to remember reading about you, , Sandra, that you were doing
church work and were with your husband, you had a golden and a poodle if
you're the same person, and I'd be happy to hear about what you did
and your experiences. w .
Anyway,
Also, Sandra, tell me if I'm wrong, but haven't the restrictions gotten
a bit more involved for entry in terms of needing to produce rabies
tytor test, not sure of spelling. Therefore a short trip to Japan would
be rather impractical.
Sorry now I reread your post and you mentioned titor tests, so here'
my question, is that valid only for the first time and if you were to,
say leave Japan and come back would you have to go through the dsame
rigmarole?
When I went it was a question of preparing for the two week in home
quarantine in quotes. They wanted a big form filled out one which, must
must must, have a seal on it--smile As a matter of fact when I faxed a
copy they complained that the seal was not raised.
Then they wanted a picture or diagram of the room or place where the dog
would be in quotes quarantined and my itenerary for the first two weeks,
I would then fill out a form every day and the quarantine officer would
come and check on you after two weeks.
Very pleasant people I dealt with but very demanding in terms of paperwork.
I should point out that the phrase in home is a symbolic phrase, you
can go out and about with your guide dog, but they call it in home and
at least theoretically you should keep your dog away from other dogs for
the two week period. Since I had a friend with a guide dog I can pretty
forthrightly say that I ignored that one--lol..Also don't get me started
on Japanese guide dog handlers, that's a different story.so if I say,
wanted to visit Japan I'm assuming I would need the titor test nowadays,
as I said that was not the requirement then, It was a rabies shot which
was given at least thirty days before arrival.
Because of that, my original flight, Sept 11, 2001 was changed to Sept
28th, 2001. Imagine the mess if I'd gone on the eleventh.
I was a student there and then I spent time looking for work and so on
and doing research.
good luck, and remember I was there from 2001 through 2003 so things
might be totally different
If nothing else the quarantine and all the rest of it was good practice
to improve my Japanese language skills aas since that was my major I was
pretty uncompromising about using Japanese.
So in my honest opinion, Miranda, if you are looking to do an exchange
in Japan I'm not convinced a guide dog is the best option unless of
course you have the dog for some time already and are a seasoned team,
the paperwork if nothing else will get you down--lol.
I'm travelled to three countries with a guide dog, Russia, Japan, and
Mexico.. Paperwork varied from place to place, the big problem was
access and cultural issues. In Russia, people love big dogs but guide
dogs were pretty much unknown even though supposedly they have schools
there and access was abysmal.
Japan, guide dogs schhols and even some legislation (wwell actually
Russia had legislation but tit doesn't do any good and there are holes
in it which I can explain at some point),
anyway, Japan, some legislation but cultural attitudes aobu tdogs differ
and there were some interesting situations. The Japanese people aren't
necessarily always as polite and deferential as stereotypes make them
out to be. Having said there are ignorant people here in the States, too.
Mexico, actually most people were helpful in terms of directions and so
on but there were some strange access situations there too.
I actually want to start traveling again and especially if i go to
anywhere n Europe or Latin America I might indeed be accompanied by my
guide dog, after all I love working with my dog and walking with him,
but I'll admit access can be quite interesting and I'm perhaps not as
patient with people as I used to be.
Therefore, I am interested in all the responses and will take it all in
to account.
Fortunately we have the net which will serve us to find all sorts of
useful info.
Even in 2001 when I went to Japan, the net was not as chalked with info
as it is now. You can talk to people, get iin touch with blind people or
schools and so on. Remember one thing though which I learned, everything
may vary depending on your experience. Blind people from that or
whatever country may tell you things like "no you cna't bring a dog
here, you'll have problems" and you may havenone, or the other way around.
I would say living situations were the most complicated in Japan, the
dorm I stayed in for example told me friendly things like "well since
you have a dog you won't be able to use the washer and drier becuase the
other students won't want dog hair on their clothes, sorry." Said very
politely so sorry--lol but the comment itiself was pretty bad, and
that's thnot the only one. I told them I understand their point of view
but to make it convenient for all you can give me my own washer and
drier--lol and hat was the end of their objections.
I was staying at an international dorm in yokohama, no other living
situations when I was accepted for the program I was at wnated me and
the dog, I mean NO Others, no rooms for rent, no appartment, no shard
housing. To find a place the director of my school the Inter University
Center for Japanese Lanugage sStudies, Stanford Pacifico (Yokohama) had
to intervene several times. That did not help when the ten months of
dorm stay were up and I wanted to live and work in Japan, that's a whole
other question.
Anyway, remember these are my opinions, experiences, and comments and
are not meant to negate anyone else's experiences, good or bad, or to
tell anyyone what they shoudl do or not do, I have my own style and it
works for me, I can be pretty assertive.
Also it is not meant to make anyone form any other country feel bad, I'
mjust telling what happens to me and I tend to like syaing things as
they are or as they seem to me.
Hugs to all and wags from Parker
4/4/2017 5:21 PM, Sandra Burmester via NAGDU wrote:
> Hi,
> When we went to Japan for the first time. We had to follow all the rules
> about a rabies free zone. My dog had to be mirochiped first then have a
> rabies shot then 30 days latter another rabies shot then a titer test
> done. It had to follow a strict shedule. Then you have to wait for 180
> days. Then submit your paper work. You can look up all this info on the
> internet. Guide dogs don't have to go through the quarintine time in
> japan. At least I didn't. You could ccontact the Kansai Guide dog school
> and they may be able to help you with paperwork.
> I hope this helps.
> Sandra
>
> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I've not traveled internationally, but I have traveled within the U.S. and
>> left one or both dogs at home with my husband or others. I owner train and
>> currently switch between two dogs. Even previously when I've only had one
>> dog working, I've generally had two or even three dogs in various stages
>> of being trained or retired or whatever. My husband really does not enjoy
>> traveling and is content to stay at home with the dogs. It works for
>> us. To each his or her own, I guess.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 20:41:07 -0400
From: "Alysha" <alyshaj at comcast.net>
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Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] International travel with a guide dog
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Hi Miranda,
I just returned from a 9 day trip to Portugal with my guide dog, Xylon.
Overall, it was a good experience, and I am glad I brought him with me. Most
countries in the EU have the same requirements for entry with a dog,
although a few of them have additional requirements. This is a great website
where you can look up the exact requirements for traveling with a dog to
specific countries:
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/pet-travel
For the Portugal trip, Xylon needed to have been given a Rabies vaccine
while he was also microchipped. Since his last Rabies vaccine was given
before he got his microchip, I had to give him his next Rabies vaccine
earlier than I otherwise would have in order for him to go on the trip.
Also, I had to get an international health certificate filled out by my vet
within 10 days of entering Portugal, and I had to FedEx it to a USDA office
to be endorsed. The USDA will waive the fee for endorsing health
certificates if you submit an ID card showing that it is for a service
animal. One quick word of warning is that if you have a layover in another
country, you may also have to meet their specific requirements in addition
to those of your final destination. I originally planned to connect in
Heathrow, but their requirements were kind of crazy, so I got different
flights connecting in the US instead.
When I arrived in Portugal, I met with the vet at the airport who reviewed
my documentation and signed off on the paperwork. There is also a fee to
enter Portugal with a dog, but it was waived for us since he is a guide dog.
I again showed my Seeing Eye ID card as documentation to have the fee
waived.
Overseas flights can be hard on dogs because they must spend a long time in
very cramped quarters without being able to relieve themselves and with
restricted access to water. The longest leg of my flight was 8 hours, and
I'm not sure I would be comfortable putting Xylon through anything too much
longer than that. Luckily I was able to take him out to relieve during my
layovers, and he is a great plane traveler.
I had very few access issues in Portugal, and on the 2 occasions where
businesses were reluctant to let us in, the situation was quickly and easily
resolved. They have laws in place allowing people with service animals the
right to enter any public place, similar to the US. Everyone seemed to be
familiar with guide dogs and was very welcoming to us. However, people often
tried to pet him in harness, and my language skills weren't always good
enough to politely tell them to stop because he was working. I notified
pretty much everyone (hotel, tours, meeting facility, etc.) in advance that
I was bringing a dog. I don't typically do this in the US but wasn't as
confident with the laws in Portugal.
There are a lot of considerations that I would take into account when
deciding whether or not to bring a dog on a trip overseas, e.g. length of
the flight, your dog's tolerance of travel/breaks in routine, how easily
available your dog's food and safe drinking water would be, whether or not
the country is known to have a large number of loose dogs in the streets,
access to veterinary care if needed, access laws, cultural attitudes toward
dogs, quarantine requirements, length of the trip, etc. I don't know if I
can give a specific age at which I think a dog would generally be ready for
a trip like this, but I do think it's valuable for you to have traveled
multiple times domestically with your dog before going abroad. I would
personally really try to minimize the amount of time away from your dog in
especially the first year or two of your partnership. A 1-week trip would
probably be fine, but taking several 1-week trips without your dog will
likely negatively impact your working relationship. The longest I have left
Xylon is 4 days, and he's now 3 years old.
Anyway, just my 2 cents. Hope it was helpful, and best of luck to you in
whatever you decide!
Alysha
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Subject: [NAGDU] International travel with a guidedog
Hi,
I am considering getting a guy dog, but I am also an undergraduate student
looking at internship opportunities overseas within the next couple years.
I'm wondering how practical it would be to get a guy dog prior to a semester
abroad, or if it would be better to wait until I graduate and would only be
traveling on a less frequent basis for more short-term opportunities (10
days-1 month). If traveling to a country that would pose undo hardship or
extreme complications, I have considered leaving the dog at home with my
husband for more of a short-term trip (10 days or less). In other words, the
practicality of taking a dog overseas would need to be considered on a
case-by-case basis.
If you've traveled overseas with your guidedog, where did you go and for how
long? What are some other factors to consider when traveling abroad with a
guy dog?
Thanks for your help, and have a wonderful week!
Best wishes, Miranda
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 20:44:47 -0400
From: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] International travel with a guidedog
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I am seinding the letter our moderator wrote to me, so you all will know
that people can't express themselves on this list.
Dan, I expect you planned to hear from me. Be very careful what you say
on this list. You made it a point to more or less slur the dog handlers
in Japan. One of them, as you know, is on this list. Would you feel
welcome if you were on someone else?s list and these things were said.
You also did go on and on and on about Japan. Not even sure Miranda is
going to Japan. Try very hard to just say what you mean and don?t
belabor it. Just because we have a list here doesn?t mean we can write
whatever we please, push send, and it isn?t noticed. A little tact is in
order, so think how it sounds please before you send it.
Thanks, Dan, for your cooperation.
Cindy Lou Ray
On 4/4/2017 8:27 PM, Dan Weiner via NAGDU wrote:
> also Japan has a lot of cultural attitudes about big dogs and dog in
> houses and so on that are a bit different, I was there just about two
> years,, and though I did not live as long there as Sandra, my
> experience i suspect is still valid--and I was on my own most of the
> time. Access can be interesting especially in hotels and any places
> with tatami flooring--lol.
>
> I seem to remember reading about you, , Sandra, that you were doing
> church work and were with your husband, you had a golden and a poodle
> if you're the same person, and I'd be happy to hear about what you
> did and your experiences. w .
>
> Anyway,
>
> Also, Sandra, tell me if I'm wrong, but haven't the restrictions
> gotten a bit more involved for entry in terms of needing to produce
> rabies tytor test, not sure of spelling. Therefore a short trip to
> Japan would be rather impractical.
>
> Sorry now I reread your post and you mentioned titor tests, so here'
> my question, is that valid only for the first time and if you were to,
> say leave Japan and come back would you have to go through the dsame
> rigmarole?
>
> When I went it was a question of preparing for the two week in home
> quarantine in quotes. They wanted a big form filled out one which,
> must must must, have a seal on it--smile As a matter of fact when I
> faxed a copy they complained that the seal was not raised.
>
> Then they wanted a picture or diagram of the room or place where the
> dog would be in quotes quarantined and my itenerary for the first two
> weeks, I would then fill out a form every day and the quarantine
> officer would come and check on you after two weeks.
>
> Very pleasant people I dealt with but very demanding in terms of
> paperwork.
>
> I should point out that the phrase in home is a symbolic phrase, you
> can go out and about with your guide dog, but they call it in home and
> at least theoretically you should keep your dog away from other dogs
> for the two week period. Since I had a friend with a guide dog I can
> pretty forthrightly say that I ignored that one--lol..Also don't get
> me started on Japanese guide dog handlers, that's a different story.so
> if I say, wanted to visit Japan I'm assuming I would need the titor
> test nowadays, as I said that was not the requirement then, It was a
> rabies shot which was given at least thirty days before arrival.
>
> Because of that, my original flight, Sept 11, 2001 was changed to Sept
> 28th, 2001. Imagine the mess if I'd gone on the eleventh.
>
> I was a student there and then I spent time looking for work and so on
> and doing research.
>
>
> good luck, and remember I was there from 2001 through 2003 so things
> might be totally different
>
>
> If nothing else the quarantine and all the rest of it was good
> practice to improve my Japanese language skills aas since that was my
> major I was pretty uncompromising about using Japanese.
>
> So in my honest opinion, Miranda, if you are looking to do an exchange
> in Japan I'm not convinced a guide dog is the best option unless of
> course you have the dog for some time already and are a seasoned team,
> the paperwork if nothing else will get you down--lol.
> I'm travelled to three countries with a guide dog, Russia, Japan, and
> Mexico.. Paperwork varied from place to place, the big problem was
> access and cultural issues. In Russia, people love big dogs but guide
> dogs were pretty much unknown even though supposedly they have schools
> there and access was abysmal.
> Japan, guide dogs schhols and even some legislation (wwell actually
> Russia had legislation but tit doesn't do any good and there are holes
> in it which I can explain at some point),
> anyway, Japan, some legislation but cultural attitudes aobu tdogs
> differ and there were some interesting situations. The Japanese
> people aren't necessarily always as polite and deferential as
> stereotypes make them out to be. Having said there are ignorant
> people here in the States, too.
>
> Mexico, actually most people were helpful in terms of directions and
> so on but there were some strange access situations there too.
> I actually want to start traveling again and especially if i go to
> anywhere n Europe or Latin America I might indeed be accompanied by my
> guide dog, after all I love working with my dog and walking with him,
> but I'll admit access can be quite interesting and I'm perhaps not as
> patient with people as I used to be.
>
> Therefore, I am interested in all the responses and will take it all
> in to account.
> Fortunately we have the net which will serve us to find all sorts of
> useful info.
> Even in 2001 when I went to Japan, the net was not as chalked with
> info as it is now. You can talk to people, get iin touch with blind
> people or schools and so on. Remember one thing though which I
> learned, everything may vary depending on your experience. Blind
> people from that or whatever country may tell you things like "no you
> cna't bring a dog here, you'll have problems" and you may havenone, or
> the other way around.
>
>
> I would say living situations were the most complicated in Japan, the
> dorm I stayed in for example told me friendly things like "well since
> you have a dog you won't be able to use the washer and drier becuase
> the other students won't want dog hair on their clothes, sorry." Said
> very politely so sorry--lol but the comment itiself was pretty bad,
> and that's thnot the only one. I told them I understand their point of
> view but to make it convenient for all you can give me my own washer
> and drier--lol and hat was the end of their objections.
>
> I was staying at an international dorm in yokohama, no other living
> situations when I was accepted for the program I was at wnated me and
> the dog, I mean NO Others, no rooms for rent, no appartment, no shard
> housing. To find a place the director of my school the Inter
> University Center for Japanese Lanugage sStudies, Stanford Pacifico
> (Yokohama) had to intervene several times. That did not help when the
> ten months of dorm stay were up and I wanted to live and work in
> Japan, that's a whole other question.
>
>
> Anyway, remember these are my opinions, experiences, and comments and
> are not meant to negate anyone else's experiences, good or bad, or to
> tell anyyone what they shoudl do or not do, I have my own style and it
> works for me, I can be pretty assertive.
>
> Also it is not meant to make anyone form any other country feel bad,
> I' mjust telling what happens to me and I tend to like syaing things
> as they are or as they seem to me.
>
> Hugs to all and wags from Parker
>
> 4/4/2017 5:21 PM, Sandra Burmester via NAGDU wrote:
>> Hi,
>> When we went to Japan for the first time. We had to follow all the
>> rules
>> about a rabies free zone. My dog had to be mirochiped first then have a
>> rabies shot then 30 days latter another rabies shot then a titer test
>> done. It had to follow a strict shedule. Then you have to wait for 180
>> days. Then submit your paper work. You can look up all this info on
>> the
>> internet. Guide dogs don't have to go through the quarintine time in
>> japan. At least I didn't. You could ccontact the Kansai Guide dog
>> school
>> and they may be able to help you with paperwork.
>> I hope this helps.
>> Sandra
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've not traveled internationally, but I have traveled within the
>>> U.S. and
>>> left one or both dogs at home with my husband or others. I owner
>>> train and
>>> currently switch between two dogs. Even previously when I've only
>>> had one
>>> dog working, I've generally had two or even three dogs in various
>>> stages
>>> of being trained or retired or whatever. My husband really does not
>>> enjoy
>>> traveling and is content to stay at home with the dogs. It works for
>>> us. To each his or her own, I guess.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 02:44:21 +0000
From: "Yegue N. Badigue" <Y.Badigue at outlook.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Subject: [NAGDU] Looking for any handlers on here residing in
Riverside, CA to talk to.
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Hello fellow handlers, or non-handlers!
If there is any of you residing in Riverside, CA, please write me off list?
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 07:39:24 -0400
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] International travel with a guide dog
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Hi. I am going to channel the owner trainers
on the list. What would happen if you don't have an id card for the dog? Do
you just pay the money you'd pay for a pet? Are the waived requirements not
waived unless the dog is from a school and the person has the id card?
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From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alysha via NAGDU
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:41 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
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Cc: Alysha <alyshaj at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] International travel with a guide dog
Hi Miranda,
I just returned from a 9 day trip to Portugal with my guide dog, Xylon.
Overall, it was a good experience, and I am glad I brought him with me. Most
countries in the EU have the same requirements for entry with a dog,
although a few of them have additional requirements. This is a great website
where you can look up the exact requirements for traveling with a dog to
specific countries:
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/pet-travel
For the Portugal trip, Xylon needed to have been given a Rabies vaccine
while he was also microchipped. Since his last Rabies vaccine was given
before he got his microchip, I had to give him his next Rabies vaccine
earlier than I otherwise would have in order for him to go on the trip.
Also, I had to get an international health certificate filled out by my vet
within 10 days of entering Portugal, and I had to FedEx it to a USDA office
to be endorsed. The USDA will waive the fee for endorsing health
certificates if you submit an ID card showing that it is for a service
animal. One quick word of warning is that if you have a layover in another
country, you may also have to meet their specific requirements in addition
to those of your final destination. I originally planned to connect in
Heathrow, but their requirements were kind of crazy, so I got different
flights connecting in the US instead.
When I arrived in Portugal, I met with the vet at the airport who reviewed
my documentation and signed off on the paperwork. There is also a fee to
enter Portugal with a dog, but it was waived for us since he is a guide dog.
I again showed my Seeing Eye ID card as documentation to have the fee
waived.
Overseas flights can be hard on dogs because they must spend a long time in
very cramped quarters without being able to relieve themselves and with
restricted access to water. The longest leg of my flight was 8 hours, and
I'm not sure I would be comfortable putting Xylon through anything too much
longer than that. Luckily I was able to take him out to relieve during my
layovers, and he is a great plane traveler.
I had very few access issues in Portugal, and on the 2 occasions where
businesses were reluctant to let us in, the situation was quickly and easily
resolved. They have laws in place allowing people with service animals the
right to enter any public place, similar to the US. Everyone seemed to be
familiar with guide dogs and was very welcoming to us. However, people often
tried to pet him in harness, and my language skills weren't always good
enough to politely tell them to stop because he was working. I notified
pretty much everyone (hotel, tours, meeting facility, etc.) in advance that
I was bringing a dog. I don't typically do this in the US but wasn't as
confident with the laws in Portugal.
There are a lot of considerations that I would take into account when
deciding whether or not to bring a dog on a trip overseas, e.g. length of
the flight, your dog's tolerance of travel/breaks in routine, how easily
available your dog's food and safe drinking water would be, whether or not
the country is known to have a large number of loose dogs in the streets,
access to veterinary care if needed, access laws, cultural attitudes toward
dogs, quarantine requirements, length of the trip, etc. I don't know if I
can give a specific age at which I think a dog would generally be ready for
a trip like this, but I do think it's valuable for you to have traveled
multiple times domestically with your dog before going abroad. I would
personally really try to minimize the amount of time away from your dog in
especially the first year or two of your partnership. A 1-week trip would
probably be fine, but taking several 1-week trips without your dog will
likely negatively impact your working relationship. The longest I have left
Xylon is 4 days, and he's now 3 years old.
Anyway, just my 2 cents. Hope it was helpful, and best of luck to you in
whatever you decide!
Alysha
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Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:24 AM
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Subject: [NAGDU] International travel with a guidedog
Hi,
I am considering getting a guy dog, but I am also an undergraduate student
looking at internship opportunities overseas within the next couple years.
I'm wondering how practical it would be to get a guy dog prior to a semester
abroad, or if it would be better to wait until I graduate and would only be
traveling on a less frequent basis for more short-term opportunities (10
days-1 month). If traveling to a country that would pose undo hardship or
extreme complications, I have considered leaving the dog at home with my
husband for more of a short-term trip (10 days or less). In other words, the
practicality of taking a dog overseas would need to be considered on a
case-by-case basis.
If you've traveled overseas with your guidedog, where did you go and for how
long? What are some other factors to consider when traveling abroad with a
guy dog?
Thanks for your help, and have a wonderful week!
Best wishes, Miranda
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