[NAGDU] Affordable dog food

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Fri Apr 21 20:15:20 UTC 2017


I am not sure the dog originally being discussed was going to be a guide
dog, but the discussion could lead to discouragement. Check out companies
where some of the products are manufactured. Sometimes they offer discounts
to people with service animals. Also, if a person watches for sales it would
be possible to get the food or whatever cheaper. Probably not so much the
medicines.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com


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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food

Cindy:

Thanks for pointing out the fact that not all blind people can afford the
high end dog foods.  However we do want our dogs to be as healthy as
possible.  Sometimes on this list it feels like people are saying if we do
not feed these high quality foods we are not taking good care of our dogs. 
It feels like some of you are saying that having a guide dog is only for
those who are lucky enough to have lots of money.  Well, that is not the
case for many of us.  We all know the unemployment and low wages for the
blind.  I am a retired senior with additional disabilities in addition to
blindness.  After rent and utilities there isn't much left so I have to do
my best to find affordable products for myself, my home and my guide dog.  I
suggest to anyone getting a new dog that they discuss their dog's diet with
the school and the vet once you have your dog home.  I did this and the
school and my vet said that Purina products are of good quality and suitable
for a working dog.  I always discuss the dog food choices with my vet at
every visit just in case we want to make a change.  It is possible to feed a
guide dog on a very low budget.  Of course the other concern for those of us
with limited income is the high cost of heartworm, flea prevention,
vaccinations and vet care.  It is too bad there is not any financial
assistance to help low income guide dog handlers with these expenses. 
Please do not discourage anyone from applying for a guide dog just because
they are living on a very limited income

Sandra Johnson

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:17 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: Cindy Ray
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food

Peter, sometimes people simply can't do what you are suggesting, so we are
looking for inexpensive dogfoods here that people can afford. Dogs can
thrive on these foods; some will become ill anyway, so I think we need to
continue helping the person find the inexpensive dogfoods that she needs in
order to have a dog right now. Maybe one day she can afford more.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com


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To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Cc: Peter Wolf <pwolf1 at wolfskills.com>
Subject: [NAGDU] Affordable dog food

Hey all,

After losing a cat to diabetes years ago and tracing it to carb content in
food, we learned about commercial food. - Now we bite the bullet and spend
the money on super high end dog food.  Organic, clean and multi source
protein.  A lot of money.  Raw chicken, raw other meats, and a bowl out of
Origen or Acana.  A big bag is w-a-y more than commercial brands.  But we
believe from our research In the long run, we may spend the same amount of
money on food for life, as we might on horrific vet bills for a prematurely
ill or dying dog.  Think about it.  We really think it is worth it.  Perhaps
consider at least cutting commercial food with healthier stuff if it is all
you can afford.  Check out Dr. Becker's online vet commentaries.  Hey she
has too much to day like Dr. Mercola does for humans; both can be a little
alarmist sometimes.  But they generally have excellent information with
longevity as the main interest.

Best,
Peter

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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:49:51 -0400
> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
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> Julie:
>
> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery 
> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most 
> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes 
> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at 
> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
several of the dog food websites too.
>
> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about the 
> nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other 
> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and 
> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I asked 
> my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.  The 
> lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly 
> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found at 
> www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on some 
> of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free shipping if 
> you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your friend.  Having to 
> take care of a guide dog is a real concern for those of us on very low
incomes.
>
> Sandra Johnson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Julie Johnson
> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>
> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
> would be great!
>
>
> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a 
> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the 
> dog
home.
>
>
> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>
>
> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
> What other suggestions do folks have?
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>
> Julie
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:04:40 -0500
> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not 
> have
the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog. There
are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced differently.
> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well, 
> about
a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I
switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does extremely
well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good 
> food,
my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>>
>> Julie:
>>
>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery 
>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most 
>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes 
>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at 
>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices on
several of the dog food websites too.
>>
>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about 
>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used other 
>> higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina One and 
>> Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per pound.  I 
>> asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed expensive foods.
>> The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog Chow are perfectly 
>> suitable.  More information about the Purina dry foods can be found 
>> at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry dog foods search on 
>> some of the other dog food websites.  Some companies offer free 
>> shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope this helps your 
>> friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a real concern for 
>> those
of us on very low incomes.
>>
>> Sandra Johnson
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>
>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>> would be great!
>>
>>
>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a 
>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the 
>> dog
home.
>>
>>
>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>
>>
>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 10:22:33 -0500
> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
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> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at Pets
> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is 
> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every 
> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long term.
> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>
> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food 
> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry 
> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog 
> food
than you
> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's 
> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>
> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
> Julie
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:03:33 -0500
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
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> Well, I'm buying Iams Senior on a monthly basis for about $60 for 52 
> pounds, but I guess that's pretty high. At The Seeing Eye once they 
> said that the difference between Purena 1 and one of the other premium 
> Purena dog foods was that the formula was more consistent. Anyway, it 
> is a
hard decision.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie 
> Johnson via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:23 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>
> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at Pets
> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is 
> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every 
> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long term.
> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>
> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food 
> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry 
> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog 
> food
than you
> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's 
> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>
> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
> Julie
>
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> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:16:51 -0400
> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
> Message-ID: <29ED927D0AA74AFCB9CA0A72DA17F10C at SLJohnson>
>
> Julie:
>
> Oh my goodness, $70 for 20 pounds.  I am sure there are a lot of us 
> who cannot afford that kind of food.  I just checked the Rural King 
> website www.ruralking.com.  They have the Purina Dog Chow Complete 46 
> pound bag for $19.99.  I do not know what the shipping price would be 
> since I get mine from their store in my area.  They also offer a large 
> selection of other dry dog foods as well as bones and treats.  Believe 
> me without these low prices I could not afford to feed my guide dog 
> either.  Unfortunately rent and utilities keep going way up but the 
> income stays the same.  It is too bad that the guide dog schools do 
> not offer some kind of discount coupons or stipend to help graduates,
especially retired seniors,  on very low incomes.
>
> Sandra  -----Original Message-----
>
>
> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:22 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Julie Johnson
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>
> Thanks to everyone!  I am going to look more closely at the Purina One
> and Pro Plan, Diamond Naturals and the Rachael Ray.    We looked at Pets
> Mart yesterday, just so she could get an idea of what is available.
> I've been ordering dog food for so long, I lost touch with what is 
> available in the store and how much it costs.  We didn't look at every 
> bag of food there, but there wasn't anything she could afford long term.
> $70 for a 20 pound bag of dog food  is kind of steep IMO.
>
> I get that you get what you pay for and feeding a quality food 
> prevents serious medical problems, but perhaps the dog food industry 
> has gone a little nutters.  You could easily spend more money on dog 
> food
than you
> spend for food for yourself.   I can't in good conscience recommend Old
> Roy to her, but neither can I suggest something that will mean she's 
> eating Ramen noodles breakfast lunch and supper.
>
> I'll see what I can find, give her the information and she can go from
> there.   Thanks to everyone for the ideas!
> Julie
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:34:09 -0400
> From: Jody ianuzzi <thunderwalker321 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] economical dog food
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> Hi all,
>
> Truly is a great resource for food and their prices and shipping is great.
>
> You can also get dog food from Amazon. Pierina pro plan is $39 and 
> Pierina one is $29. Shipping is free
>
> Jody
>
> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>
> 50 Years of Star Trek!
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>
>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>>
>> I will say that the Purina dog chow may be OK for a pet, but may not 
>> have
the protein and other ingredients necessary for an active working dog. There
are definitely reasons that each line of their food is priced differently.
>> Personally, I took my dog off Iams the minute I got her home, well, 
>> about
a month after so she could settle in. She did not do well on it, so I
switched her to Pro Plan Active Sport, the 26/16 formula. She does extremely
well on it and I pay about $42 for a 37.5 lb bag on Chewy.
>> I have fed Diamond Naturals lamb and rice before, and it was a good 
>> food,
my first dog just couldn?t handle the rice.
>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 8:49 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Julie:
>>>
>>> Purina Dog Chow is a good price for someone on a budget.  In grocery 
>>> and department stores it is less than $1 per pound.  The most 
>>> economical way to buy it is in the 40 pound bag that sometimes 
>>> includes an extra 6 pounds bonus.  My sister has found it for me at 
>>> Rural King for $20 to $22.  It is listed at very reasonable prices 
>>> on
several of the dog food websites too.
>>>
>>> At first when my sister brought me a bag I was a bit worried about 
>>> the nutritional value especially for a working dog.  I had used 
>>> other higher priced Purina products such as Purina ProPlan Purina 
>>> One and Purina Beneful witch all sell for approximately $1 per 
>>> pound.  I asked my vet and she said there is no need to feed 
>>> expensive foods.  The lower priced name brands such as Purina Dog 
>>> Chow are perfectly suitable.  More information about the Purina dry 
>>> foods can be found at www.purina.com.  For other lower priced dry 
>>> dog foods search on some of the other dog food websites.  Some 
>>> companies offer free shipping if you order the larger bags.  I hope 
>>> this helps your friend.  Having to take care of a guide dog is a 
>>> real
concern for those of us on very low incomes.
>>>
>>> Sandra Johnson
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:30 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] economical dog food
>>>
>>> I'm asking for a friend on a budget.  What dog foods would people
>>> suggest that are lower priced?   If we can keep it to $1 per pound that
>>> would be great!
>>>
>>>
>>> She will likely have it shipped to her home from Chewy or PetFlow.
>>> She does not have a dog yet, so determining exact dietary needs is a 
>>> bit of a guess, but she needs to have some ideas before bringing the 
>>> dog
home.
>>>
>>>
>>> It will definitely be an adult dog, no puppy food needed.  She is okay
>>> with grains.    She wants a dry food. The dog will be in the 40 to 60
>>> pound range, so no tiny bites or anything like that.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm looking at Purina One and the Diamond Naturals lines for her.
>>> What other suggestions do folks have?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:48:58 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] The old goat
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> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
> The nose is down all of the time.
> Gee it is unreal smile.
> That is something I would love to change.
> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
> So I went back to the prong collar.
> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
> Have fun.
>
> --
> --Dar
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>  FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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> every sinner has a future
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 04:14:50 ?
> From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] The old goat
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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> Have you thought about using the smart collar instead? It's a plastic 
> collar that has points on it. It's a collar that goes higher up on the 
> dogs ears.
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:50 PM d m gina via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I am sure I got a goat instead of the dog.
>> The nose is down all of the time.
>> Gee it is unreal smile.
>> That is something I would love to change.
>> All of the items you want to add to the nose she pushes off.
>> So I went back to the prong collar.
>> Still nose is happy to see what it can find.
>> Have fun.
>>
>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>>  FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
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