[NAGDU] Apprentice Instructor

Mon Aug 7 06:13:32 UTC 2017

I don't think a driving requirement should knock a person off the list, so
to speak.  

Also, instead of considering visual ways of doing things, let's continue to
consider nonvisual ways of doing things.

I personally know blind folks who have taught others to work with guide
dogs and it's worked.  

Many of the guide dog schools also do not feel blind folks can teach cane
travel, but, we or most of us know that occurs daily.  

I often don't know up front how a blind person can do something but I begin
with the belief that she or he can do it but it'll take some
problem-solving and thought and experimentation to find out what works.  

Margo and isis

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Also, Providing a driver or an alternative way to travel is by any
definition a reasonable accommodation under the ADA.

Mike H.

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Well, of course there is driving required. That's when you make
adaptations.
I don't think that should count people out. Others on the staff sometimes
do the driving. I think that isn't a deal breaker myself.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

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I think there is a certain amount of driving required for the trainers at
the school

JODY

thunderwalker321 at gmail.com 

"What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik
Weihenmayer

> On Aug 6, 2017, at 5:07 PM, The Pawpower Pack via NAGDU 
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> 
> I am deafblind and have trained other people to work with their guide 
> dogs. Everyone lived. *grin*
> 
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>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 1:05 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> I have to wonder why an instructor could not be blind. After all, we 
>> have blind people training their own dogs who are blind. What would 
>> the real difference be? I used to feel as you do, Sandra, but I'm not 
>> so sure I do now.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
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>> Johnson via NAGDU
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>> 
>> Hello:
>> 
>> I do think the schools should consider hiring blind people as 
>> training assistants.  However, a blind person could not be a full 
>> instructor.  The instructors have to be able to see what is happening 
>> with the students and dogs.  It would be a question of safety.
>> 
>> Sandra
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>> From: Buddy Brannan via NAGDU
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>> 
>> GDB had a pilot program that they set up to fail once. Otherwise, 
>> none of the schools would even think about hiring a blind 
>> apprentice...they might then have to think about graduating one to a 
>> full instructor, and...well...we just can't have that.
>> 
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
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>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Haylie Gallacher via NAGDU 
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>>> wrote:
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>>> Anyone know if any of the guide dog schools have ever hired a a 
>>> blind apprentice instructor?  If so, which ones?  I am thinking 
>>> about being a guide dog instructor is why I am asking.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Haylieof
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