[NAGDU] Reserved dog on routes

Andy B. sonfire11 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 28 12:50:04 UTC 2017


I am street side going out and grass side coming home. I wonder if this
might be the problem. There are tons of bushes, a tight grass line, poles
and bus stop signs along the way back home that he has to weave me in and
out of. Unfortunately, there isn't a way home that I am familiar with.
Actually, he likes going back the same way he came. If I vary the return
from the first time, he gets confused and frustrated.

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Is something different about the route home?  Are you closer to the grass,
for instance?
Are you returning the exact way you went?  If so, can you vary it a bit?
Some dogs get bored, going back the same way they just came.  Sometimes
there's an alternative, and sometimes not.  Also, some dogs get what I call
the going home blues.  They want to keep going, do more work, not go home,
even if it's been a long walk.
For excessive stopping, I say Hup-up in a stern way, if the happy way hasn't
been effective.  I'm still working on the right mix of happy and stern with
Krokus, and it's been almost 3 years.  I hope you have quicker success with
it.
Tracy

> Hi,
>
> He takes more time than needed to figure out what he needs to do on 
> the up curb. I give him 3 chances to get it correct before scolding 
> him. Most times he gets it before then, but the ratio is about 30% 
> scold and 70% success without scolding. The high ratio on up curb 
> scolding is partly his age and partly a new route that he hasn't 
> completely mastered yet. The grass problem is a good thing. However, I 
> don't need him to stop every 3 steps to check the grass line, which he 
> does during some stretches of the route. Most of his hesitation is on 
> the return route though. He is praise based, so treats on up curbs 
> aren't an issue.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Moloney via NAGDU
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> Cc: Gabriel Moloney <gmoloney6467 at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Reserved dog on routes
>
> hay there
> this looks like an interesting question, hence my reply to this 
> question, when you say that your guide takes their time on the up curb 
> what type of time frame are you talking about? a couple of seconds 
> extra?? that has you concerned, on regards to grass on the side walk 
> and overhead bushes etc, I would praise my guide for not brushing me 
> against them she would be aware that they are there, and would walk me 
> around them, as she was trained to do.  So I am not concerned in 
> regards to that, finally I am just curious is your dog food rewarded 
> trained???? or not?? just a thought, if your guide was feed rewarded 
> trained and you have no rewards in your pocket, hence maybe could be 
> the problem at the up curb.  My current dog and previous dogs were not 
> food rewarded and all worked well.
> gabriel
>> On 28 Aug 2017, at 01:00, Andy B. via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> Alec does pretty well on this 1.6 mile walk to Walgreens. He is right 
>> on target going there. However, he is reserved and hesitant with 
>> certain parts of the route coming home. For example, he tends to take 
>> his time at up curbs and dilly-dally in the street. After 
>> experimenting around, it appears that he is overly concerned about me 
>> tripping over the up curb while he walks up the up-ramp. I have 
>> suggested left and straight without much success. I do have to give 
>> him credit because most of the street corners are small and narrow. 
>> Is there any way to improve his confidence on these type of street 
>> crossings? It also seems that he is overly concerned with me stepping 
>> in the grass and walking into extended bushes. Is there a way to let 
>> him know that perfection is not the point? He seems to be particular.
>> If any part of my body touches something, falls outside the sidewalk, 
>> and can't fit on the up curb, he stops and takes his time figuring 
>> out his problem. The only thing I don't like is the extended amount 
>> of time it
> takes him to figure it out before getting a forward correction.
>>
>>
>>
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