[NAGDU] Reserved dog on routes

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Mon Aug 28 20:21:07 UTC 2017 

One thing I would say to you is don't make correction your first go to, especially in this new relationship. The dog could decide that if it can't do anything right why bother. Encouragement is what he needs right now. There may be instances tha do warrant such correction, but try to make corrections few and far between.
Cindy Lou Ray
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Reserved dog on routes

The problem has been fixed. My OM instructor went through the route with me and there are visual indicators prompting his behavior. We will have to work through them until he is used to the route.


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just my two cent worth at this late point, I see that your guide is only two weeks with you in your home environment, yes i agree it is a bit early to judge the dog’s work as he is still getting use to the owner, and at this stage i cannot think of the person’s name it has been a busy day for me so far, so my apologies here if I cannot think of the person’s name, again i think we were ll in similar positions when we got our first guide all new skills to learn and for the dog to bond with the owner,  i have a strong feeling that this partnership will work out in the long term, its just a matter of taking baby steps and building up from therein is also important i think to remember the first steps of training and building from there.  Keep up the good work and it will get better for you.
gabriel
> On 28 Aug 2017, at 17:44, Andrew J. LaPointe via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>   Hi, for some reason I missed how long Andy had his dog.  Please note 
> that, with all my 3 dogs, it took about 1 year each to be a great 
> team.  2 Weeks is way too soon to access how the dog is working to 
> what capacity.... Please!!!!give him or her a chance.  Andy and 
> Shubert
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> Andy, you have had this dog home for two weeks. If he falters and you know what he needs to do, then encourage him to move forward as others have said. If you are uncertain yourself, you might do well to have someone help you with it, and don't hesitate to call TSE. I had my first dog for 8 months and because of being impatient we never quite bonded. So be patient with him. When he is unsure, encourage him and then when he does the thing praise him with some considerable gusto. Good Boy, Juno! You did it! You are still building as a team. Add in an extra cup of patience.
> 
> Cindy Lou Ray
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> He stands there and does absolutely nothing sometimes. One street corner worries him because of the strange layout it has. To cross this particular street, you have to sidestep slightly into parallel traffic. He absolutely refuses to cross it on the return. However, he does cross it without a problem the first time. I wonder if something about the return trip bothers him. Again, he does fine going out, but somewhat falters on the return.
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> Hi Andy,
> Might I suggest that you try a different way home?  I have found that, if, to many corrections have been given on a certain route, then, the dog will become even more stressed about things.
> Try going around the block and walking home thatway.  or, cross the street and walk home on the other side.  anything to break up your current cycle.
> i also agree with what others have said, you certainly don’t want him to become lax about overheads or walking you onto the grass.
> I’m not certain what you mean when you say that he takes 3 times to figure out what to do at the, up curb?  Doesn’t he just, stop at the curb, and then, go forward?
> Good luck in figuring out his mind.he sounds like a boy that is really trying to watch out for you.
> 
> Vivianna
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2017, at 7:10 AM, Andy B. via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> He takes more time than needed to figure out what he needs to do on 
>> the up curb. I give him 3 chances to get it correct before scolding 
>> him. Most times he gets it before then, but the ratio is about 30% 
>> scold and 70% success without scolding. The high ratio on up curb 
>> scolding is partly his age and partly a new route that he hasn't 
>> completely mastered yet. The grass problem is a good thing. However, 
>> I don't need him to stop every 3 steps to check the grass line, which 
>> he does during some stretches of the route. Most of his hesitation is 
>> on the return route though. He is praise based, so treats on up curbs aren't an issue.
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> hay there
>> this looks like an interesting question, hence my reply to this 
>> question, when you say that your guide takes their time on the up 
>> curb what type of time frame are you talking about? a couple of 
>> seconds extra?? that has you concerned, on regards to grass on the 
>> side walk and overhead bushes etc, I would praise my guide for not 
>> brushing me against them she would be aware that they are there, and 
>> would walk me around them, as she was trained to do.  So I am not 
>> concerned in regards to that, finally I am just curious is your dog 
>> food rewarded trained???? or not?? just a thought, if your guide was 
>> feed rewarded trained and you have no rewards in your pocket, hence 
>> maybe could be the problem at the up curb.  My current dog and previous dogs were not food rewarded and all worked well.
>> gabriel
>>> On 28 Aug 2017, at 01:00, Andy B. via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alec does pretty well on this 1.6 mile walk to Walgreens. He is 
>>> right on target going there. However, he is reserved and hesitant 
>>> with certain parts of the route coming home. For example, he tends 
>>> to take his time at up curbs and dilly-dally in the street. After 
>>> experimenting around, it appears that he is overly concerned about 
>>> me tripping over the up curb while he walks up the up-ramp. I have 
>>> suggested left and straight without much success. I do have to give 
>>> him credit because most of the street corners are small and narrow.
>>> Is there any way to improve his confidence on these type of street 
>>> crossings? It also seems that he is overly concerned with me 
>>> stepping in the grass and walking into extended bushes. Is there a 
>>> way to let him know that perfection is not the point? He seems to be particular.
>>> If any part of my body touches something, falls outside the 
>>> sidewalk, and can't fit on the up curb, he stops and takes his time 
>>> figuring out his problem. The only thing I don't like is the 
>>> extended amount of time it
>> takes him to figure it out before getting a forward correction.
>>> 
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