[NAGDU] Using positive reinforcement instead of punishment

[Yiska]

Yes that does help thank you.
Yiska

On Dec 18, 2017 15:51, "Tami Jarvis via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Yiska,
>
> I use clicker training to owner-train my dogs. Since I'm training them
> from the ground up, I use successive approximation to mold the behaviors
> for guide work over time. If the dog does mess up once he is trained, I
> just rework the obstacle, reward him for getting it right and move on. Both
> of my dogs make few mistakes. For self-rewarding behaviors like sniffing, I
> simply redirect and reward the dog for redirecting. With my current boy, if
> he's really in a sniffy mood, I get further with lures, then rewards than I
> do if I take a negative approach. Generally, I can just say, "Leave it,
> forward," to get him back on track. So "no" doesn't really come into the
> equation, since the positive command for what I want him to do does the
> trick. I also use time outs, just having him stand still until he's ready
> to get his head back on the job, then we move on. He doesn't like having to
> turn around and do something over, so we'll do that a time or two if he's
> being really stubborn. That doesn't happen often.
>
> Around the house, we'll make some sort of noise if one of the dogs is
> crossing a boundary, but for the most part, I use "leave it," and so on. If
> I do use a negatory, it doesn't matter what I say, since I'm using tone and
> body language to remind the dog to straighten out. Sometimes the word that
> comes out is "no," but often as not, it's an unarticulated kind of sound.
> Just whatever comes out first.
>
> I don't give a food reward every time I click or use a verbal marker, like
> "good," so I can reinforce positive behaviors without slowing down. I use
> actual treats Las Vegas style, meaning randomly, once the dog is trained.
> At this point, Loki doesn't need much reinforcement for doing the job, but
> he does better with a bit of cheerleading now and then.
>
> hth,
>
> Tami
>
> On 12/18/2017 02:23 PM, Yiska via NAGDU wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am wondering about clicker training and positive reinforcement when it
>> comes to guide work. How do you get a dog to do the right task after
>> messing up. For example the dog misses an overhead obstacle. Normally one
>> would leash correct and then rework. How would you rework if the dog does
>> not get it the first or fourth time? Normally you would increase
>> corrections. Also for those who clicker train do you have a disapproval
>> marker like no? I am trying to use much more positive training but
>> struggled with my last dog. From what I have learned from youtube there
>> are
>> lots of basic tasks for clicker but not much past that.
>>
>> I get my dog in January from the seeing eye and am very excited.
>> Yiska
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