[NAGDU] Using positive reinforcement instead of punishment

Tue Dec 19 17:30:01 UTC 2017

There is a guy on the service dog list who trains service cats. There is
also a TSE handler who has trained her own service cat. I think she lives in
Indiana. Her cats detect, if I remember right smells. But the guy on the
service dog list his do service tasks: brings small objects to him, sits on
him to calm him at home, keeps him calm in public.

Becky  

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Awesome. I would be training some additional service tasks. Does anyone know
of owner trainer clicker task lists for duel training?
Yiska

On Dec 18, 2017 17:43, "Becky Frankeberger via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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> Yiska, there is a clicker list for Seeing Eye grads. Lukas Franck is 
> on that list to give tips.
> Becky
>
>
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> Yes that does help thank you.
> Yiska
>
> On Dec 18, 2017 15:51, "Tami Jarvis via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Yiska,
> >
> > I use clicker training to owner-train my dogs. Since I'm training 
> > them from the ground up, I use successive approximation to mold the 
> > behaviors for guide work over time. If the dog does mess up once he 
> > is trained, I just rework the obstacle, reward him for getting it 
> > right and move on. Both of my dogs make few mistakes. For 
> > self-rewarding behaviors like sniffing, I simply redirect and reward 
> > the dog for redirecting. With my current boy, if he's really in a 
> > sniffy mood, I get further with lures, then rewards than I do if I 
> > take a negative approach. Generally, I can just say, "Leave it, 
> > forward," to get him back on track. So "no" doesn't really come into 
> > the equation, since the positive command for what I want him to do 
> > does the trick. I also use time outs, just having him stand still 
> > until he's ready to get his head back on the job, then we move on. 
> > He doesn't like having to turn around and do something over, so 
> > we'll do that a time or two if he's
> being
> really stubborn. That doesn't happen often.
> >
> > Around the house, we'll make some sort of noise if one of the dogs 
> > is crossing a boundary, but for the most part, I use "leave it," and 
> > so on. If I do use a negatory, it doesn't matter what I say, since 
> > I'm using tone and body language to remind the dog to straighten out.
> > Sometimes the word that comes out is "no," but often as not, it's an
> unarticulated kind of sound.
> > Just whatever comes out first.
> >
> > I don't give a food reward every time I click or use a verbal 
> > marker, like "good," so I can reinforce positive behaviors without 
> > slowing down. I use actual treats Las Vegas style, meaning randomly, 
> > once the dog
> is trained.
> > At this point, Loki doesn't need much reinforcement for doing the 
> > job, but he does better with a bit of cheerleading now and then.
> >
> > hth,
> >
> > Tami
> >
> > On 12/18/2017 02:23 PM, Yiska via NAGDU wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I am wondering about clicker training and positive reinforcement 
> >> when it comes to guide work. How do you get a dog to do the right 
> >> task after messing up. For example the dog misses an overhead obstacle.
> >> Normally one would leash correct and then rework. How would you 
> >> rework if the dog does not get it the first or fourth time? 
> >> Normally you would increase corrections. Also for those who clicker 
> >> train do you have a disapproval marker like no? I am trying to use 
> >> much more positive training but struggled with my last dog. From 
> >> what I have learned from youtube there are lots of basic tasks for 
> >> clicker but not much past that.
> >>
> >> I get my dog in January from the seeing eye and am very excited.
> >> Yiska
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