[NAGDU] Service dog license

Sun Feb 12 21:53:49 UTC 2017

Well guys, this is the prime example why we don't want to have id laws here,
you go out without an id, and some genius from a restaurant can tell you
what to do and the good old Government tells you you are wrong even though
you have an in quotes legit guide dog.

That happened to me once , actually quite a few times, in Japan...in 2002
during my stay there they had passed some guide dog related law in which
they listed all the accredited guide dog programs, being the Japanese ones.
Because I had an American dog, a subway official rather nastily told me I
couldn't ride the train I was getting on. The Ministry of Welfare when I
contacted them was rather unsympathetic, this law is  made  for the safety
and comfort of all, I was told.

So, if you want to go down that road, guys, you'll regret it I suspect.

Sure we get frustrated thinking of fake service dog users,,, that's u
understandable, we go through an application process, go through training
and work our butts off, and owner trainers do s o much work and so on, so
naturally the people just bringing their varmints in to places and blithely
claiming it's a service dog bugs us no end, but be careful what path you
take to remedy it. I'd say that frankly just making sure business owners
know their rights and responsibilities and the law is probably enough. I'm
willing to hear other suggestions but I think for all the reasons stated an
id requirement is a rather bad idea.

Dan the man

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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Service dog license

Hi Gary. British Columbia has passed the legislation. Nova Scotia has also
started their legislation as well, but it is not currently in force. British
Columbia is the only province that currently has an active and very well
publicized ID card process. I visited there last year, and at one point was
very rudely and publicly demanded for my dog's ID card. Because I had taken
a last minute trip there and did not currently have the British Columbia ID
card (they can issue temporary cards to visitors), and discovered to my
horror that I didn't have the school's current ID card, I was denied access
to a restaurant. I contacted the government about this experience, and was
told that because I did not present current ID that the restaurant was
within their rights to deny me service. They did not address the public
embarrassment of being demanded across a bar for the paperwork. That bugged
me more than the access refusal itself, but they didn't seem to care that I
was publicly demanded for it.

On February 11, 2017 10:54:00 PM MST, Gary Steeves via NAGDU
<nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>Hi Daryl what province is it in
>
>On February 11, 2017 9:09:40 PM PST, Daryl via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>wrote:
>>I live in Canada, and one of our provinces has enacted such a law.
>It's
>>honestly been incredibly frustrating. People who live there have told 
>>me that just by going about their business with their service dogs, 
>>they are asked for identifying documents several times a day. One has 
>>even told me that she is reluctant to leave her house with her service 
>>dog because she gets asked for paperwork so frequently. They have not 
>>addressed the issue of owner trainers, or visitors to the province.
>For
>>example, if I travel there on a family emergency, I can pre apply for
>a
>>temporary ID card. This greatly restrict the movement of Canadian 
>>citizens, which is against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. If you 
>>are getting asked for ID when you buy alcohol or verify your ID when 
>>writing checks, it's because everybody gets ask for that information.
>>You personally are not targeted.
>>
>>On February 11, 2017 10:02:11 PM MST, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU 
>><nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>Dar,
>>>Apologies, I forgot about those groups, didn't intend to.
>>>
>>>I have to show ID when I go to get alcohol though...  and for things 
>>>like writing checks and verifying my identity at the airport...
>>>
>>>Wouldn't something like this help with 'fakers'? 
>>>
>>>I wonder if there could even be some sort of accreditation process
>>that
>>>you could go through if you owner  trained or had somebody help you 
>>>train your dog to a group like IAADP?
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 11:54 PM, Daryl via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can't speak for anybody else, but as for myself I have big
>>problems
>>>with such an idea. It makes people with disabilities who use service 
>>>dogs targets for anybody who wants to see identifiable information.
>>>Yes, to drive a car you need a license. But you are only requested
>for
>>>that license if you are driving erratically. Also, if a person
>chooses
>>>to owner train their dog, or if they're disability makes owner
>>training
>>>the only viable option, they are at a distinct disadvantage.
>>>> 
>>>>> On February 11, 2017 9:46:58 PM MST, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU
>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>> So I'm going to make you mad at me but I don't
>>>understandsomething...
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have to get a license to drive why not one for a guide dog.
>>>>> I know that people who were glasses are supposed to have their
>>>picture
>>>>> taken with her glasses on and I guess I wonder why he could not be 
>>>>> something like that but for us with our dog?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know figuring out how to come up with some sort of database of 
>>>>> accredited schools and then how to figure out how to make sure
>>these
>>>>> places are accredited would be a process but I guess I kind of
>>>wonder
>>>>> if having it on something that already exists and is already
>>>official
>>>>> wouldn't that make it easier?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I mean, if I have to go get a new ID when I move wouldn't it make
>>>sense
>>>>> to just go get a new ID with your picture of you and your partner
>>in
>>>it
>>>>> that way?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not trying to ignite a fire storm or anything I just don't
>>>really
>>>>> understand why this is such a big deal. I understand the need for 
>>>>> privacy but I'm not even really saying that you have to say on
>>there
>>>>> why you have the dog I guess I really just kind of would think
>that
>>>if
>>>>> they could get accredited schools in a database and then the DMV
>>>could
>>>>> choose the school you went to given on some sort  of letter or 
>>>>> something, why is that bad???
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just trying to understand.
>>>>> 
>>>>> vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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