[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 143, Issue 28
Mardi Hadfield
wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com
Tue Feb 28 05:39:05 UTC 2017
Dan, Mardi here. I am also deaf in my right ear and I have never felt that
I was Deafblind. I have always just said I am hearing impaired. I have the
similar problems that you have but I get around fairly well. I can't tell
where the sounds that I do hear,are coming from. I can cross most streets
with out too much trouble, but when it comes to busy intersections, well
it's a big problem. Being in a crowed place with lots of background noise
also is a hassle. It is hard to listen to any one thing as there is so many
noises and so many people talking,that it makes it harder to hear some one
who is actually talking to me. I just think of myself as hearing impaired
and not deafblind. Mardi
On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mardi Hadfield <
wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dar, Mardi from Arizona here. What part of Arizona did you visit? I live
> in Tucson, and if you ever visit AZ. again, and if you get to Tucson, I
> would be more that happy to help you work with your dog on curbs or
> anything else you might need. I am an owner trainer and have trained all 4
> of my guides and am currently training my Dutch Shepherd to be my next
> guide. Mardi and Shaman,retired and Neechee, GD and Sedona,GDIT.
>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Doggie tattoos! (Daryl Marie)
>> 2. Re: Doggie tattoos! (Cindy Ray)
>> 3. Re: update on me (Amanda Markham)
>> 4. Re: Doggie tattoos! (The Pawpower Pack)
>> 5. Re: update on me (andrew edgcumbe)
>> 6. Re: update on me (Cindy Ray)
>> 7. Re: update on me (S L Johnson)
>> 8. Re: Doggie tattoos! (Daryl)
>> 9. Re: update on me (Danielle Ledet)
>> 10. Re: update on me (andrew edgcumbe)
>> 11. Re: update on me (Cindy Ray)
>> 12. Re: update on me (Amanda Markham)
>> 13. Breed Restrictions-FHA (james boehm)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 14:24:39 -0700 (MST)
>> From: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Doggie tattoos!
>> Message-ID: <574307833.11901082.1487625879687.JavaMail.zimbra at shaw.ca>
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>> Hi, all!In celebration of my new job (YAY!) and in honour of Jenny's 5th
>> birthday next week (WHERE has the time gone?), I've decided to take the
>> plunge and get a tattoo of her paw print with her name inside it. :) I am
>> excited and terrified. The big day is this Friday, and I'm kinda waffling
>> at the irony that I've decided not to take Jenny, the inspiration for this
>> tattoo, to the tattoo appointment with me. The reasons of this are twofold:
>> I'm nervous enough about getting a tattoo that it just seems easier for me
>> to NOT have to worry about Jenny and her reaction to the tattoo. Also, my
>> husband will be meeting me there, and I wouldn't be in full control of my
>> dog if I'm on the table and she decides to go greet him (something she's
>> gotten better about, but still needs some work).I know it's silly... this
>> second-guessing. I know my reasons are valid. My tattoo artist is super
>> supportive, wanting to make things work so that Jenny can be with me, but
>> her BEING there would be one more thing for me to worry about.
>> Does this make sense?I'm getting this tattoo done because I do,
>> seriously, want to be just like Jenny when I grow up. I want to work hard,
>> to be good at my job, but not take life too seriously. I want to state my
>> opinions fearlessly, and love with no reservations.SO excited.Daryl
>>
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>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:31:05 -0600
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Doggie tattoos!
>> Message-ID: <011801d28bc0$a506e580$ef14b080$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> If this is what makes you the most comfortable, then it makes sense for
>> you
>> to not take Jenny to the tattoo parlor with you. Here are some thoughts
>> though. Can you tie her to the table and get her to stay under it? I've
>> not
>> had a tattoo. Can you hold onto her leash while you are getting it?
>>
>> I would probably take my dog unless neither of these things wouldn't work,
>> but I can appreciate your hesitance to do so. Sure then, it makes sense.
>> Cindy
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie
>> via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:25 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Doggie tattoos!
>>
>> Hi, all!In celebration of my new job (YAY!) and in honour of Jenny's 5th
>> birthday next week (WHERE has the time gone?), I've decided to take the
>> plunge and get a tattoo of her paw print with her name inside it. :) I am
>> excited and terrified. The big day is this Friday, and I'm kinda waffling
>> at
>> the irony that I've decided not to take Jenny, the inspiration for this
>> tattoo, to the tattoo appointment with me. The reasons of this are
>> twofold:
>> I'm nervous enough about getting a tattoo that it just seems easier for me
>> to NOT have to worry about Jenny and her reaction to the tattoo. Also, my
>> husband will be meeting me there, and I wouldn't be in full control of my
>> dog if I'm on the table and she decides to go greet him (something she's
>> gotten better about, but still needs some work).I know it's silly... this
>> second-guessing. I know my reasons are valid. My tattoo artist is super
>> supportive, wanting to make things work so that Jenny can be with me, but
>> her BEING there would be one more thing for me to worry about.
>> Does this make sense?I'm getting this tattoo done because I do, seriously,
>> want to be just like Jenny when I grow up. I want to work hard, to be good
>> at my job, but not take life too seriously. I want to state my opinions
>> fearlessly, and love with no reservations.SO excited.Daryl
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:34:05 -0500
>> From: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
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>> That's the thing. They didn't mention anything specifically.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:07 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > So when they said that your mobility skills weren't good enough, what
>> did they cite as examples. It really makes me wonder.
>> > Cindy
>> > cindyray at gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda
>> Markham via NAGDU
>> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:04 PM
>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> >
>> > I'm definetly not afraid. I've been walking up to my local Wallgreens
>> which is two blocks from my house and includes one lighted intersection.
>> I've done this 3 times in one week. I went with my fianc? Jeff who's also a
>> cane user. I did the walk once with him because my hearing was a bit off
>> from the cold I had. Since then, I've done this rout twice by myself with
>> no issue. Next, I plan to expand walking to a plaza a mile away. Will start
>> this next week. Would like to cover the Wallgreens rout a few more times
>> with Jeff walking a little distance behind so he can see how I'm doing.
>> >
>> >> On 2/20/17, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> Hi Andrew, Amanda, and all,
>> >> I want to chime in here and would like to make a few general comments,
>> >> meant as encouragement for anyone struggling with their travel skills
>> or others.
>> >> You do not necessarily need a sighted person to teach you everything.
>> >> If you know the basics of cane travel, you can start by just walking
>> >> around the block, or even up and down your driveway. Take note of what
>> >> you consistently come across, and slowly expand the area you know. As
>> >> Cindy said, it?s generally safe to cross a street when the traffic is
>> >> moving that is going in a parallel line to your direction.
>> >> Sighted people don?t need a manual to know how to teach you. All
>> >> they need to tell you is what?s around you: coffee shops, stores,
>> >> other businesses, you get the idea. Slowly, you can ask them to stay
>> >> behind you and only intervene if you are in danger or have gotten
>> really lost.
>> >> I know that training isn?t an option for everyone, it can be expensive
>> >> and funding can be hard to come by, but that is also an option if you
>> >> can get it. Training was the best thing that has ever happened to me,
>> >> and I am so grateful that I took the time to do it.
>> >> Andrew, regarding the iPhone and other devices, there are a ton of
>> >> resources online, including videos on YouTube, podcasts, etc, that can
>> >> teach you how to use a smartphone. And, best of all, many are free!
>> >> I hope that some of what I have said helps you in some way. Keep
>> >> trying, and don?t forget that blind friends can also be a fantastic
>> >> resource. One does not need to see to help.
>> >>
>> >>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> So until you can get into the program, when the woman can work with
>> >>> you, work on a route and then try it by yourself in the interim. It
>> >>> is scary at first, but the pride that comes from having done it is
>> >>> just immense. I remember when Jet, my black lab, could no longer
>> >>> work. I needed to walk to the bank, or go there somehow. I began
>> >>> coming up with all kinds of excuses why I couldn't do it, and pretty
>> >>> soon I didn't. I began to realize that they were borne of fear. So I
>> >>> decided one day I was just going to do it. I did, and I was a little
>> >>> afraid, but I got there and back, and I really felt like dancing.
>> >>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> >>> cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >>> <mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Amanda Markham via
>> >>> NAGDU
>> >>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:37 PM
>> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>> >>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com <mailto:markham73 at gmail.com>>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> >>>
>> >>> I use a cane. Worked at a training center for the blind for 9 months
>> >>> in 2009. Up until then, I lived in a strictly residential area and
>> >>> wasn't tought lighted intersections. I cross them now, but it needs
>> >>> work. After I left the center, I had an instructor that only could
>> >>> work with me once a week and I started only working small routs.
>> >>> Recently we've been working on city bus travel. But she says that
>> >>> it'll be a couple weeks before she can work with me again. So this is
>> >>> why I'd like to do the O and M training at leader dogs. Jump starts
>> >>> early work and I can work everyday instead of once a week. I do live
>> >>> with my mother who is sighted but she cannot stand for long periods
>> >>> or walk long distances because of her knees. Last May she had knee
>> >>> replacement surgery.
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 2/20/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
>> >>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
>> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:48 PM
>> >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> >>>>
>> >>>> i am not amanda but i will answer same questions for myself I don't
>> >>>> have much in way of sited friends myself how can some body who is
>> >>>> sited tell you what todo iActually, I think Gary had good
>> suggestions.
>> >>>> They are probably way better than the ones I gave.
>> >>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> >>>> cinddyray at gmail.com
>> >>>> f they have not delt with blind people in orientation. Is there any
>> >>>> kind of book or tips we can give those e helping us learn roots to
>> >>>> things? also like what is the trick to learning things to crossing
>> >>>> streets can this be done without an o and m instructor.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> You do not have any sighted friends? Have you not taken any
>> >>>>> mobility and do you use a white cane? You don't need a professional
>> >>>>> to help you with it really. I hope you will really benefit from
>> >>>>> that Leader course, but it is too bad you can't do that because you
>> >>>>> need constant
>> >>>> practice to get better.
>> >>>>> The less you do it, the more fearful you become. I know this from a
>> >>>>> little bit of experience.
>> >>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> >>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda
>> >>>>> Markham via NAGDU
>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
>> >>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is
>> >>>>> why I have to get help this way.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>> >>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
>> >>>>>> professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work
>> >>>>>> on this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go
>> >>>>>> out alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call
>> >>>>>> places to see where they are. You might want someone to go with
>> >>>>>> you at first, but if you get some ideas, you might need minimal
>> >>>>>> help. For instance, mostly when you are crossing streets, if the
>> >>>>>> traffic is paralle to you, you can cross. You have to be careful
>> >>>>>> about turning vehicles, and many streets have buttons so that you
>> >>>>>> self-actuate the light. You have to learn where the ones that get
>> >>>>>> you across your
>> >>>> preferred street are.
>> >>>>>> Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
>> >>>>>> sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
>> >>>>>> someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you
>> >>>>>> can get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place
>> >>>>>> you would want to go often, then have someone go with you a couple
>> >>>>>> or three times. After that, go by yourself but have them trail you
>> >>>>>> so that if you get lost they can help you out of a bind.
>> >>>>>> Eventually, you
>> >>>>> would o how to get there.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> >>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
>> >>>>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
>> >>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> >>>>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know the
>> >>>>>> streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool or
>> >>>>>> anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me. The
>> >>>>>> cnib is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it
>> >>>>>> seems hard to get weekly o andm even once a week.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
>> >>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
>> >>>>>>> helpful to you.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
>> >>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs
>> >>>>>>>> actually it
>> >>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i
>> >>>>>>>> don't feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get
>> >>>>>>>> enough o andm here it seems it seems difficault to get them to
>> >>>>>>>> come. I am from
>> >>>>>> ontario canada.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
>> >>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from
>> >>>>>>>>> the Association For The Blind here in my area and she says
>> >>>>>>>>> there schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before
>> >>>>>>>>> her or one of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She
>> >>>>>>>>> very strongly suggested I fill out the application for the
>> >>>>>>>>> accelerated O and M training program at Leader Dogs For The
>> >>>>>>>>> Blind. I have just submitted my application. So glad this is an
>> >>>>>>>>> option available to me because this will be a week long
>> >>>>>>>>> training with work
>> >>>> every day.
>> >>>>>>>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work with
>> >>>>>>>>> the instructors here, they can only work with a client once a
>> week.
>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading this.
>> >>>>>>>>> Amanda Markham
>> >>>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>> --
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>> >>>>>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
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>> >>> Thank you and warmest regards,
>> >>> Amanda markham
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:37:08 -0600
>> From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Doggie tattoos!
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>> Daryl,
>> This is so awesome! I understand your reasons for not bringing her. It is
>> absolutely your choice. I have had tattoo work done 4 times and am about
>> to go for number 5. My dogs have been with me for all of them and you do
>> not want to be dealing with them if you aren't sure they will be calm.
>> Usually I bribe a dog-holder with beer and she holds my pup.
>> I do have a dog tattoo on my left calf? on the outside. I have 6
>> pawprints, for each of my six working dogs. In the center of each paw is
>> the first letter of one of my dogs names in braille. Twining around the
>> paws that are walking up my legs is a quote from Rodyard Kippling's the
>> Jungle Book, which says:
>> "For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf
>> is the pack."
>>
>>
>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Feb 20, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Daryl Marie via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi, all!In celebration of my new job (YAY!) and in honour of Jenny's
>> 5th birthday next week (WHERE has the time gone?), I've decided to take the
>> plunge and get a tattoo of her paw print with her name inside it. :) I am
>> excited and terrified. The big day is this Friday, and I'm kinda waffling
>> at the irony that I've decided not to take Jenny, the inspiration for this
>> tattoo, to the tattoo appointment with me. The reasons of this are twofold:
>> I'm nervous enough about getting a tattoo that it just seems easier for me
>> to NOT have to worry about Jenny and her reaction to the tattoo. Also, my
>> husband will be meeting me there, and I wouldn't be in full control of my
>> dog if I'm on the table and she decides to go greet him (something she's
>> gotten better about, but still needs some work).I know it's silly... this
>> second-guessing. I know my reasons are valid. My tattoo artist is super
>> supportive, wanting to make things work so that Jenny can be with me, but
>> her BEING there would be one more thing for me to worry about.
>> > Does this make sense?I'm getting this tattoo done because I do,
>> seriously, want to be just like Jenny when I grow up. I want to work hard,
>> to be good at my job, but not take life too seriously. I want to state my
>> opinions fearlessly, and love with no reservations.SO excited.Daryl
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 17:53:25 -0500
>> From: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
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>> well first off I don't really have really any blind friends there is no
>> blind clubs or anything there is just not much in way of blind people but
>> anyway back to o andm. I have trouble finding people even who will even
>> take me out and things and when i get discourraged then i loose modivation
>> in fact i been really sad lately and things. i been frusterated i just
>> want
>> to get o ut instead of being trapped and want to be able to go for walks
>> soon and things like that. I really shouldn't be in my appartment all the
>> time. I really don't know what to do and it is hard for myself to think
>> through these things. I don't really have any connections with blind
>> people
>> i don't really have any real blind friends stuff like that. i wish i did
>> but unfortinately i don't. It really doesn't work for me to learn eyephone
>> on my own i am not a self learner just is not the way i function or
>> opperate. I would learn things better if somebody was to sit down with me
>> and stuff like that. I really not a self learner and not the type to learn
>> on my own i would rather sit down with somebody else andthings. that is
>> just way i am.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Andrew, Amanda, and all,
>> > I want to chime in here and would like to make a few general comments,
>> > meant as encouragement for anyone struggling with their travel skills or
>> > others.
>> > You do not necessarily need a sighted person to teach you everything. If
>> > you know the basics of cane travel, you can start by just walking around
>> > the block, or even up and down your driveway. Take note of what you
>> > consistently come across, and slowly expand the area you know. As Cindy
>> > said, it?s generally safe to cross a street when the traffic is moving
>> that
>> > is going in a parallel line to your direction.
>> > Sighted people don?t need a manual to know how to teach you. All
>> they
>> > need to tell you is what?s around you: coffee shops, stores, other
>> > businesses, you get the idea. Slowly, you can ask them to stay behind
>> you
>> > and only intervene if you are in danger or have gotten really lost.
>> > I know that training isn?t an option for everyone, it can be expensive
>> and
>> > funding can be hard to come by, but that is also an option if you can
>> get
>> > it. Training was the best thing that has ever happened to me, and I am
>> so
>> > grateful that I took the time to do it.
>> > Andrew, regarding the iPhone and other devices, there are a ton of
>> > resources online, including videos on YouTube, podcasts, etc, that can
>> > teach you how to use a smartphone. And, best of all, many are free!
>> > I hope that some of what I have said helps you in some way. Keep trying,
>> > and don?t forget that blind friends can also be a fantastic resource.
>> One
>> > does not need to see to help.
>> >
>> > > On Feb 20, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > So until you can get into the program, when the woman can work with
>> you,
>> > > work on a route and then try it by yourself in the interim. It is
>> scary
>> > at
>> > > first, but the pride that comes from having done it is just immense. I
>> > > remember when Jet, my black lab, could no longer work. I needed to
>> walk
>> > to
>> > > the bank, or go there somehow. I began coming up with all kinds of
>> > excuses
>> > > why I couldn't do it, and pretty soon I didn't. I began to realize
>> that
>> > they
>> > > were borne of fear. So I decided one day I was just going to do it. I
>> > did,
>> > > and I was a little afraid, but I got there and back, and I really felt
>> > like
>> > > dancing.
>> > > Cindy Lou Ray
>> > > cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:
>> > nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Amanda Markham
>> > > via NAGDU
>> > > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:37 PM
>> > > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>> > > Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com <mailto:markham73 at gmail.com>>
>> > > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> > >
>> > > I use a cane. Worked at a training center for the blind for 9 months
>> in
>> > > 2009. Up until then, I lived in a strictly residential area and wasn't
>> > > tought lighted intersections. I cross them now, but it needs work.
>> After
>> > I
>> > > left the center, I had an instructor that only could work with me
>> once a
>> > > week and I started only working small routs.
>> > > Recently we've been working on city bus travel. But she says that
>> it'll
>> > be a
>> > > couple weeks before she can work with me again. So this is why I'd
>> like
>> > to
>> > > do the O and M training at leader dogs. Jump starts early work and I
>> can
>> > > work everyday instead of once a week. I do live with my mother who is
>> > > sighted but she cannot stand for long periods or walk long distances
>> > > because of her knees. Last May she had knee replacement surgery.
>> > >
>> > > On 2/20/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
>> > >> edgcumbe via NAGDU
>> > >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:48 PM
>> > >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > >> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>> > >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> > >>
>> > >> i am not amanda but i will answer same questions for myself I don't
>> > >> have much in way of sited friends myself how can some body who is
>> > >> sited tell you what todo iActually, I think Gary had good
>> suggestions.
>> > >> They are probably way better than the ones I gave.
>> > >> Cindy Lou Ray
>> > >> cinddyray at gmail.com
>> > >> f they have not delt with blind people in orientation. Is there any
>> > >> kind of book or tips we can give those e helping us learn roots to
>> > >> things? also like what is the trick to learning things to crossing
>> > >> streets can this be done without an o and m instructor.
>> > >>
>> > >> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>> > >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> You do not have any sighted friends? Have you not taken any mobility
>> > >>> and do you use a white cane? You don't need a professional to help
>> > >>> you with it really. I hope you will really benefit from that Leader
>> > >>> course, but it is too bad you can't do that because you need
>> constant
>> > >> practice to get better.
>> > >>> The less you do it, the more fearful you become. I know this from a
>> > >>> little bit of experience.
>> > >>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> > >>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda
>> > >>> Markham via NAGDU
>> > >>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
>> > >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
>> > >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is why
>> > >>> I have to get help this way.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
>> > >>>> professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work
>> > >>>> on this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go
>> > >>>> out alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call places
>> > >>>> to see where they are. You might want someone to go with you at
>> > >>>> first, but if you get some ideas, you might need minimal help. For
>> > >>>> instance, mostly when you are crossing streets, if the traffic is
>> > >>>> paralle to you, you can cross. You have to be careful about turning
>> > >>>> vehicles, and many streets have buttons so that you self-actuate
>> > >>>> the light. You have to learn where the ones that get you across
>> > >>>> your
>> > >> preferred street are.
>> > >>>> Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
>> > >>>> sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
>> > >>>> someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you
>> > >>>> can get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place
>> > >>>> you would want to go often, then have someone go with you a couple
>> > >>>> or three times. After that, go by yourself but have them trail you
>> > >>>> so that if you get lost they can help you out of a bind.
>> > >>>> Eventually, you
>> > >>> would o how to get there.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> > >>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
>> > >>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
>> > >>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
>> > >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know the
>> > >>>> streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool or
>> > >>>> anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me. The
>> > >>>> cnib is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it seems
>> > >>>> hard to get weekly o andm even once a week.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
>> > >>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
>> > >>>>> helpful to you.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
>> > >>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs
>> > >>>>>> actually it
>> > >>>>> is
>> > >>>>>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i
>> > >>>>>> don't feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get
>> > >>>>>> enough o andm here it seems it seems difficault to get them to
>> > >>>>>> come. I am from
>> > >>>> ontario canada.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
>> > >>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from
>> > >>>>>>> the Association For The Blind here in my area and she says there
>> > >>>>>>> schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before her or
>> > >>>>>>> one of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She very
>> > >>>>>>> strongly suggested I fill out the application for the
>> > >>>>>>> accelerated O and M training program at Leader Dogs For The
>> > >>>>>>> Blind. I have just submitted my application. So glad this is an
>> > >>>>>>> option available to me because this will be a week long training
>> > >>>>>>> with work
>> > >> every day.
>> > >>>>>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work with
>> > >>>>>>> the instructors here, they can only work with a client once a
>> week.
>> > >>>>>>> Thanks for reading this.
>> > >>>>>>> Amanda Markham
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> > >>>>>> marianne%40denningweb.com
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> --
>> > >>>>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
>> > >>>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>> > >>>>> (513) 607-6053
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>> > > --
>> > > Thank you and warmest regards,
>> > > Amanda markham
>> > >
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 17:09:42 -0600
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> Message-ID: <030901d28bce$6bec0740$43c415c0$@gmail.com>
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>>
>> It is easy to think of what we should do. In fact, we can sit around and
>> think about it a lot. Then the day has gone and it is too late to do it.
>> Don't think. Just go outside and walk around for a bit. You'll be glad you
>> did. Then you can go a little more. If you can't learn by yourself, if you
>> have no friends, if there is no one there to help you, and if you should
>> get outside the apartment, then you need to just do it. It may take you
>> longer to accomplish what ou would like to, but if you just get a start, it
>> might really cheer you on. If you have depression and it is going
>> untreated, maybe you should seek counseling? I don't know if you do or not,
>> but you are narrowing your life a lot with all of these reasons why you
>> can't. Think of one thing you might be able to do and give it a shot. When
>> it is a success, or even if it isn't but you enjoyed the effort, it will
>> have been worth it.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>>
>> AA> >>> Markham via NAGDU
>> > >>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
>> > >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> > >>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
>> > >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is
>> > >>> why I have to get help this way.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>> > >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
>> > >>>> professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work
>> > >>>> on this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go
>> > >>>> out alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call
>> > >>>> places to see where they are. You might want someone to go with
>> > >>>> you at first, but if you get some ideas, you might need minimal
>> > >>>> help. For instance, mostly when you are crossing streets, if the
>> > >>>> traffic is paralle to you, you can cross. You have to be careful
>> > >>>> about turning vehicles, and many streets have buttons so that you
>> > >>>> self-actuate the light. You have to learn where the ones that get
>> > >>>> you across your
>> > >> preferred street are.
>> > >>>> Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
>> > >>>> sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
>> > >>>> someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you
>> > >>>> can get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place
>> > >>>> you would want to go often, then have someone go with you a
>> > >>>> couple or three times. After that, go by yourself but have them
>> > >>>> trail you so that if you get lost they can help you out of a bind.
>> > >>>> Eventually, you
>> > >>> would o how to get there.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> > >>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
>> > >>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
>> > >>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
>> > >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> > >>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > >>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know
>> > >>>> the streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool
>> > >>>> or anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me.
>> > >>>> The cnib is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it
>> > >>>> seems hard to get weekly o andm even once a week.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
>> > >>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
>> > >>>>> helpful to you.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
>> > >>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs
>> > >>>>>> actually it
>> > >>>>> is
>> > >>>>>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i
>> > >>>>>> don't feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get
>> > >>>>>> enough o andm here it seems it seems difficault to get them to
>> > >>>>>> come. I am from
>> > >>>> ontario canada.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
>> > >>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> > >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from
>> > >>>>>>> the Association For The Blind here in my area and she says
>> > >>>>>>> there schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before
>> > >>>>>>> her or one of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She
>> > >>>>>>> very strongly suggested I fill out the application for the
>> > >>>>>>> accelerated O and M training program at Leader Dogs For The
>> > >>>>>>> Blind. I have just submitted my application. So glad this is
>> > >>>>>>> an option available to me because this will be a week long
>> > >>>>>>> training with work
>> > >> every day.
>> > >>>>>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work
>> > >>>>>>> with the instructors here, they can only work with a client
>> once a week.
>> > >>>>>>> Thanks for reading this.
>> > >>>>>>> Amanda Markham
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> --
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>> > >>>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>> > >>>>> (513) 607-6053
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:17:48 -0500
>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> Message-ID: <6DA7F532D7404583B86F299E66F157CF at SLJohnson>
>>
>> Cindy:
>>
>> It is unfortunate but some of us do not have sighted help. It does make
>> it
>> much more difficult when trying to learn a new area. Another difficulty
>> is
>> if you live in a very quiet residential area because there are not
>> pedestrians to ask when you get lost.
>>
>> Sandra Johnson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:42 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>>
>> You do not have any sighted friends? Have you not taken any mobility and
>> do
>> you use a white cane? You don't need a professional to help you with it
>> really. I hope you will really benefit from that Leader course, but it is
>> too bad you can't do that because you need constant practice to get
>> better.
>> The less you do it, the more fearful you become. I know this from a little
>> bit of experience.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda Markham
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>>
>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is why I
>> have
>> to get help this way.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
>> > professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work on
>> > this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go out
>> > alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call places to see
>> > where they are. You might want someone to go with you at first, but if
>> > you get some ideas, you might need minimal help. For instance, mostly
>> > when you are crossing streets, if the traffic is paralle to you, you
>> > can cross. You have to be careful about turning vehicles, and many
>> > streets have buttons so that you self-actuate the light. You have to
>> > learn where the ones that get you across your preferred street are.
>> > Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
>> > sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
>> > someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you can
>> > get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place you
>> > would want to go often, then have someone go with you a couple or
>> > three times. After that, go by yourself but have them trail you so
>> > that if you get lost they can help you out of a bind. Eventually, you
>> would o how to get there.
>> >
>> > Cindy Lou Ray
>> > cindyray at gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
>> > edgcumbe via NAGDU
>> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> >
>> > the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know the
>> > streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool or
>> > anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me. The cnib
>> > is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it seems hard to
>> > get weekly o andm even once a week.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
>> > nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
>> >> helpful to you.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
>> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs actually
>> >>> it
>> >> is
>> >>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i don't
>> >>> feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get enough o andm
>> >>> here it seems it seems difficault to get them to come. I am from
>> > ontario canada.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
>> >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from the
>> >>>> Association For The Blind here in my area and she says there
>> >>>> schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before her or one
>> >>>> of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She very strongly
>> >>>> suggested I fill out the application for the accelerated O and M
>> >>>> training program at Leader Dogs For The Blind. I have just
>> >>>> submitted my application. So glad this is an option available to me
>> >>>> because this will be a week long training with work every day.
>> >>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work with the
>> >>>> instructors here, they can only work with a client once a week.
>> >>>> Thanks for reading this.
>> >>>> Amanda Markham
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
>> >> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>> >> (513) 607-6053
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 17:36:04 -0700
>> From: Daryl <crazymusician at shaw.ca>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Doggie tattoos!
>> Message-ID: <EB20401F-3EDD-4891-B412-37F7068FA75A at shaw.ca>
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>> Thank you both so much. I think for my first tattoo, and especially
>> because my husband won't be there at the beginning, I'm much more
>> comfortable leaving Jenny at home. It's just one less thing to have to
>> worry about, whether or not I will be calm or whether she will be calm, and
>> knowing it when she sees my husband she will probably lose her mind.
>> Although, she has been known to pleasantly surprise me, but I don't really
>> want to find out while I'm getting poked with needles.
>>
>> Daryl
>>
>> On February 20, 2017 2:37:08 PM MST, The Pawpower Pack via NAGDU <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >Daryl,
>> >This is so awesome! I understand your reasons for not bringing her. It
>> >is absolutely your choice. I have had tattoo work done 4 times and am
>> >about to go for number 5. My dogs have been with me for all of them
>> >and you do not want to be dealing with them if you aren't sure they
>> >will be calm. Usually I bribe a dog-holder with beer and she holds my
>> >pup.
>> >I do have a dog tattoo on my left calf? on the outside. I have 6
>> >pawprints, for each of my six working dogs. In the center of each paw
>> >is the first letter of one of my dogs names in braille. Twining around
>> >the paws that are walking up my legs is a quote from Rodyard
>> >Kippling's the Jungle Book, which says:
>> >"For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf
>> >is the pack."
>> >
>> >
>> > Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>> >Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>> >Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> >Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Feb 20, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Daryl Marie via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi, all!In celebration of my new job (YAY!) and in honour of Jenny's
>> >5th birthday next week (WHERE has the time gone?), I've decided to take
>> >the plunge and get a tattoo of her paw print with her name inside it.
>> >:) I am excited and terrified. The big day is this Friday, and I'm
>> >kinda waffling at the irony that I've decided not to take Jenny, the
>> >inspiration for this tattoo, to the tattoo appointment with me. The
>> >reasons of this are twofold: I'm nervous enough about getting a tattoo
>> >that it just seems easier for me to NOT have to worry about Jenny and
>> >her reaction to the tattoo. Also, my husband will be meeting me there,
>> >and I wouldn't be in full control of my dog if I'm on the table and she
>> >decides to go greet him (something she's gotten better about, but still
>> >needs some work).I know it's silly... this second-guessing. I know my
>> >reasons are valid. My tattoo artist is super supportive, wanting to
>> >make things work so that Jenny can be with me, but her BEING there
>> >would be one more thing for me to worry about.
>> >> Does this make sense?I'm getting this tattoo done because I do,
>> >seriously, want to be just like Jenny when I grow up. I want to work
>> >hard, to be good at my job, but not take life too seriously. I want to
>> >state my opinions fearlessly, and love with no reservations.SO
>> >excited.Daryl
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 18:44:12 -0600
>> From: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
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>> Congratulations! I hear this is a great program. Glad she was upfront
>> and encouraging you to do this. Cahantal, I did not iknow Pilot had a
>> program also. They aught to broaden their website more and their web
>> presence. Cindy, this is a great idea. Howver, I have found sighted
>> people don't seem excited about using their eyes for others. My family
>> couldn't see that driving did not translate the same as when walking
>> the same route. I could never get them to walk routes with me! Maybe
>> once I move and have friends, but I seriously doubt it. I'm alright
>> with branching out on my own once I have a little information, but
>> terrain is a big deal for me now. I wish fully able people were
>> kinder! Gary, great advice; probably the best I ever gotten. And yes I
>> put it to use, and half the battle is already won. I never shied from
>> venturing out once I did it for the first time, it's just not my
>> favorite preferred way to go! I hope Amanda will do this once in a
>> while. I listened to a message by Joyce Meyer and she said, "Do it
>> afraid!" So that's what I do with anything I am facing that's knew to
>> me and it helps a lot to think this way. As Cindy said, once you have
>> done something and accomplished it, like travel, since that is a
>> sticking point often for us blind and visually impaired folks, it's
>> easier always after that. You could also call someone ahead of time
>> and let them know you are going out exploring and to keep a look out
>> for you, or, say if I don't answer within the hour come looking for
>> me. Be sure to ask questions like if you take cabs for rides every so
>> often of what you are passing and which roads you are crossing and so
>> you can have an idea of what's coming up once you leave your door.
>> ALso, put something audible at your house so you can know when you
>> have reached home! Is it possible for you to MapQuest somewhere yo
>> want to go and then write out the directions to carry with you?
>>
>>
>> On 2/20/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > It is easy to think of what we should do. In fact, we can sit around and
>> > think about it a lot. Then the day has gone and it is too late to do it.
>> > Don't think. Just go outside and walk around for a bit. You'll be glad
>> you
>> > did. Then you can go a little more. If you can't learn by yourself, if
>> you
>> > have no friends, if there is no one there to help you, and if you
>> should get
>> > outside the apartment, then you need to just do it. It may take you
>> longer
>> > to accomplish what ou would like to, but if you just get a start, it
>> might
>> > really cheer you on. If you have depression and it is going untreated,
>> maybe
>> > you should seek counseling? I don't know if you do or not, but you are
>> > narrowing your life a lot with all of these reasons why you can't.
>> Think of
>> > one thing you might be able to do and give it a shot. When it is a
>> success,
>> > or even if it isn't but you enjoyed the effort, it will have been worth
>> it.
>> >
>> >
>> > Cindy
>> >
>> >
>> > AA> >>> Markham via NAGDU
>> >> >>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
>> >> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> >> >>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is
>> >> >>> why I have to get help this way.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>> >> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
>> >> >>>> professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work
>> >> >>>> on this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go
>> >> >>>> out alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call
>> >> >>>> places to see where they are. You might want someone to go with
>> >> >>>> you at first, but if you get some ideas, you might need minimal
>> >> >>>> help. For instance, mostly when you are crossing streets, if the
>> >> >>>> traffic is paralle to you, you can cross. You have to be careful
>> >> >>>> about turning vehicles, and many streets have buttons so that you
>> >> >>>> self-actuate the light. You have to learn where the ones that get
>> >> >>>> you across your
>> >> >> preferred street are.
>> >> >>>> Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
>> >> >>>> sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
>> >> >>>> someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you
>> >> >>>> can get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place
>> >> >>>> you would want to go often, then have someone go with you a
>> >> >>>> couple or three times. After that, go by yourself but have them
>> >> >>>> trail you so that if you get lost they can help you out of a bind.
>> >> >>>> Eventually, you
>> >> >>> would o how to get there.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> >> >>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
>> >> >>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
>> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
>> >> >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> >> >>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know
>> >> >>>> the streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool
>> >> >>>> or anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me.
>> >> >>>> The cnib is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it
>> >> >>>> seems hard to get weekly o andm even once a week.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
>> >> >>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
>> >> >>>>> helpful to you.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
>> >> >>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs
>> >> >>>>>> actually it
>> >> >>>>> is
>> >> >>>>>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i
>> >> >>>>>> don't feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get
>> >> >>>>>> enough o andm here it seems it seems difficault to get them to
>> >> >>>>>> come. I am from
>> >> >>>> ontario canada.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
>> >> >>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from
>> >> >>>>>>> the Association For The Blind here in my area and she says
>> >> >>>>>>> there schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before
>> >> >>>>>>> her or one of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She
>> >> >>>>>>> very strongly suggested I fill out the application for the
>> >> >>>>>>> accelerated O and M training program at Leader Dogs For The
>> >> >>>>>>> Blind. I have just submitted my application. So glad this is
>> >> >>>>>>> an option available to me because this will be a week long
>> >> >>>>>>> training with work
>> >> >> every day.
>> >> >>>>>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work
>> >> >>>>>>> with the instructors here, they can only work with a client
>> once a
>> >> >>>>>>> week.
>> >> >>>>>>> Thanks for reading this.
>> >> >>>>>>> Amanda Markham
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>> >> >>>>>> marianne%40denningweb.com
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> --
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>> >> >>>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>> >> >>>>> (513) 607-6053
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>> >> > Amanda markham
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 21:49:35 -0500
>> From: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> i know i myself live in a quieter part of town but the thing is just
>> trying
>> to find right people to help me.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Danielle Ledet via NAGDU <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Congratulations! I hear this is a great program. Glad she was upfront
>> > and encouraging you to do this. Cahantal, I did not iknow Pilot had a
>> > program also. They aught to broaden their website more and their web
>> > presence. Cindy, this is a great idea. Howver, I have found sighted
>> > people don't seem excited about using their eyes for others. My family
>> > couldn't see that driving did not translate the same as when walking
>> > the same route. I could never get them to walk routes with me! Maybe
>> > once I move and have friends, but I seriously doubt it. I'm alright
>> > with branching out on my own once I have a little information, but
>> > terrain is a big deal for me now. I wish fully able people were
>> > kinder! Gary, great advice; probably the best I ever gotten. And yes I
>> > put it to use, and half the battle is already won. I never shied from
>> > venturing out once I did it for the first time, it's just not my
>> > favorite preferred way to go! I hope Amanda will do this once in a
>> > while. I listened to a message by Joyce Meyer and she said, "Do it
>> > afraid!" So that's what I do with anything I am facing that's knew to
>> > me and it helps a lot to think this way. As Cindy said, once you have
>> > done something and accomplished it, like travel, since that is a
>> > sticking point often for us blind and visually impaired folks, it's
>> > easier always after that. You could also call someone ahead of time
>> > and let them know you are going out exploring and to keep a look out
>> > for you, or, say if I don't answer within the hour come looking for
>> > me. Be sure to ask questions like if you take cabs for rides every so
>> > often of what you are passing and which roads you are crossing and so
>> > you can have an idea of what's coming up once you leave your door.
>> > ALso, put something audible at your house so you can know when you
>> > have reached home! Is it possible for you to MapQuest somewhere yo
>> > want to go and then write out the directions to carry with you?
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2/20/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > > It is easy to think of what we should do. In fact, we can sit around
>> and
>> > > think about it a lot. Then the day has gone and it is too late to do
>> it.
>> > > Don't think. Just go outside and walk around for a bit. You'll be glad
>> > you
>> > > did. Then you can go a little more. If you can't learn by yourself, if
>> > you
>> > > have no friends, if there is no one there to help you, and if you
>> should
>> > get
>> > > outside the apartment, then you need to just do it. It may take you
>> > longer
>> > > to accomplish what ou would like to, but if you just get a start, it
>> > might
>> > > really cheer you on. If you have depression and it is going untreated,
>> > maybe
>> > > you should seek counseling? I don't know if you do or not, but you are
>> > > narrowing your life a lot with all of these reasons why you can't.
>> Think
>> > of
>> > > one thing you might be able to do and give it a shot. When it is a
>> > success,
>> > > or even if it isn't but you enjoyed the effort, it will have been
>> worth
>> > it.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Cindy
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > AA> >>> Markham via NAGDU
>> > >> >>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
>> > >> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> > >> >>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > >> >>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
>> > >> >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is
>> > >> >>> why I have to get help this way.
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>> > >> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > >> >>> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with
>> a
>> > >> >>>> professional could go out with people you know sometimes and
>> work
>> > >> >>>> on this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go
>> > >> >>>> out alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call
>> > >> >>>> places to see where they are. You might want someone to go with
>> > >> >>>> you at first, but if you get some ideas, you might need minimal
>> > >> >>>> help. For instance, mostly when you are crossing streets, if the
>> > >> >>>> traffic is paralle to you, you can cross. You have to be careful
>> > >> >>>> about turning vehicles, and many streets have buttons so that
>> you
>> > >> >>>> self-actuate the light. You have to learn where the ones that
>> get
>> > >> >>>> you across your
>> > >> >> preferred street are.
>> > >> >>>> Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
>> > >> >>>> sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
>> > >> >>>> someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you
>> > >> >>>> can get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a
>> place
>> > >> >>>> you would want to go often, then have someone go with you a
>> > >> >>>> couple or three times. After that, go by yourself but have them
>> > >> >>>> trail you so that if you get lost they can help you out of a
>> bind.
>> > >> >>>> Eventually, you
>> > >> >>> would o how to get there.
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> > >> >>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> >>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> andrew
>> > >> >>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
>> > >> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
>> > >> >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> > >> >>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > >> >>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>> > >> >>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know
>> > >> >>>> the streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool
>> > >> >>>> or anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me.
>> > >> >>>> The cnib is the main orginization here in canada but as i said
>> it
>> > >> >>>> seems hard to get weekly o andm even once a week.
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
>> > >> >>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
>> > >> >>>>> helpful to you.
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
>> > >> >>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs
>> > >> >>>>>> actually it
>> > >> >>>>> is
>> > >> >>>>>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i
>> > >> >>>>>> don't feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get
>> > >> >>>>>> enough o andm here it seems it seems difficault to get them to
>> > >> >>>>>> come. I am from
>> > >> >>>> ontario canada.
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
>> > >> >>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with
>> from
>> > >> >>>>>>> the Association For The Blind here in my area and she says
>> > >> >>>>>>> there schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before
>> > >> >>>>>>> her or one of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She
>> > >> >>>>>>> very strongly suggested I fill out the application for the
>> > >> >>>>>>> accelerated O and M training program at Leader Dogs For The
>> > >> >>>>>>> Blind. I have just submitted my application. So glad this is
>> > >> >>>>>>> an option available to me because this will be a week long
>> > >> >>>>>>> training with work
>> > >> >> every day.
>> > >> >>>>>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work
>> > >> >>>>>>> with the instructors here, they can only work with a client
>> > once a
>> > >> >>>>>>> week.
>> > >> >>>>>>> Thanks for reading this.
>> > >> >>>>>>> Amanda Markham
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> > >> >>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>> > >> >>>>>>> rollercoasterman86%40gmail.com
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> > >> >>>>>> marianne%40denningweb.com
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>> --
>> > >> >>>>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
>> > >> >>>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>> > >> >>>>> (513) 607-6053
>> > >> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 21:00:48 -0600
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
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>>
>> Well, I live in such an area, and I don't have sighted help either. I
>> understand it is harder, but the longer we don't do it, the harder it
>> gets.
>> That's all I'll say on the topic because I don't mean to offend anybody.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson
>> via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 6:18 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>>
>> Cindy:
>>
>> It is unfortunate but some of us do not have sighted help. It does make
>> it
>> much more difficult when trying to learn a new area. Another difficulty
>> is
>> if you live in a very quiet residential area because there are not
>> pedestrians to ask when you get lost.
>>
>> Sandra Johnson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:42 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>>
>> You do not have any sighted friends? Have you not taken any mobility and
>> do
>> you use a white cane? You don't need a professional to help you with it
>> really. I hope you will really benefit from that Leader course, but it is
>> too bad you can't do that because you need constant practice to get
>> better.
>> The less you do it, the more fearful you become. I know this from a little
>> bit of experience.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda Markham
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>>
>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is why I
>> have
>> to get help this way.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
>> > professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work on
>> > this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go out
>> > alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call places to see
>> > where they are. You might want someone to go with you at first, but if
>> > you get some ideas, you might need minimal help. For instance, mostly
>> > when you are crossing streets, if the traffic is paralle to you, you
>> > can cross. You have to be careful about turning vehicles, and many
>> > streets have buttons so that you self-actuate the light. You have to
>> > learn where the ones that get you across your preferred street are.
>> > Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
>> > sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
>> > someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you can
>> > get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place you
>> > would want to go often, then have someone go with you a couple or
>> > three times. After that, go by yourself but have them trail you so
>> > that if you get lost they can help you out of a bind. Eventually, you
>> would o how to get there.
>> >
>> > Cindy Lou Ray
>> > cindyray at gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
>> > edgcumbe via NAGDU
>> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> >
>> > the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know the
>> > streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool or
>> > anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me. The cnib
>> > is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it seems hard to
>> > get weekly o andm even once a week.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
>> > nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
>> >> helpful to you.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
>> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs actually
>> >>> it
>> >> is
>> >>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i don't
>> >>> feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get enough o andm
>> >>> here it seems it seems difficault to get them to come. I am from
>> > ontario canada.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
>> >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from the
>> >>>> Association For The Blind here in my area and she says there
>> >>>> schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before her or one
>> >>>> of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She very strongly
>> >>>> suggested I fill out the application for the accelerated O and M
>> >>>> training program at Leader Dogs For The Blind. I have just
>> >>>> submitted my application. So glad this is an option available to me
>> >>>> because this will be a week long training with work every day.
>> >>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work with the
>> >>>> instructors here, they can only work with a client once a week.
>> >>>> Thanks for reading this.
>> >>>> Amanda Markham
>> >>>>
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>> >> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>> >> (513) 607-6053
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>> Message: 12
>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:30:51 -0500
>> From: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> Message-ID: <AED2A8DD-05D0-456D-BD47-6BB1074481DD at gmail.com>
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>> Right now I use BlindSquare on my iPhone.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Feb 20, 2017, at 9:49 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > i know i myself live in a quieter part of town but the thing is just
>> trying
>> > to find right people to help me.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Danielle Ledet via NAGDU <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Congratulations! I hear this is a great program. Glad she was upfront
>> >> and encouraging you to do this. Cahantal, I did not iknow Pilot had a
>> >> program also. They aught to broaden their website more and their web
>> >> presence. Cindy, this is a great idea. Howver, I have found sighted
>> >> people don't seem excited about using their eyes for others. My family
>> >> couldn't see that driving did not translate the same as when walking
>> >> the same route. I could never get them to walk routes with me! Maybe
>> >> once I move and have friends, but I seriously doubt it. I'm alright
>> >> with branching out on my own once I have a little information, but
>> >> terrain is a big deal for me now. I wish fully able people were
>> >> kinder! Gary, great advice; probably the best I ever gotten. And yes I
>> >> put it to use, and half the battle is already won. I never shied from
>> >> venturing out once I did it for the first time, it's just not my
>> >> favorite preferred way to go! I hope Amanda will do this once in a
>> >> while. I listened to a message by Joyce Meyer and she said, "Do it
>> >> afraid!" So that's what I do with anything I am facing that's knew to
>> >> me and it helps a lot to think this way. As Cindy said, once you have
>> >> done something and accomplished it, like travel, since that is a
>> >> sticking point often for us blind and visually impaired folks, it's
>> >> easier always after that. You could also call someone ahead of time
>> >> and let them know you are going out exploring and to keep a look out
>> >> for you, or, say if I don't answer within the hour come looking for
>> >> me. Be sure to ask questions like if you take cabs for rides every so
>> >> often of what you are passing and which roads you are crossing and so
>> >> you can have an idea of what's coming up once you leave your door.
>> >> ALso, put something audible at your house so you can know when you
>> >> have reached home! Is it possible for you to MapQuest somewhere yo
>> >> want to go and then write out the directions to carry with you?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 2/20/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>> It is easy to think of what we should do. In fact, we can sit around
>> and
>> >>> think about it a lot. Then the day has gone and it is too late to do
>> it.
>> >>> Don't think. Just go outside and walk around for a bit. You'll be glad
>> >> you
>> >>> did. Then you can go a little more. If you can't learn by yourself, if
>> >> you
>> >>> have no friends, if there is no one there to help you, and if you
>> should
>> >> get
>> >>> outside the apartment, then you need to just do it. It may take you
>> >> longer
>> >>> to accomplish what ou would like to, but if you just get a start, it
>> >> might
>> >>> really cheer you on. If you have depression and it is going untreated,
>> >> maybe
>> >>> you should seek counseling? I don't know if you do or not, but you are
>> >>> narrowing your life a lot with all of these reasons why you can't.
>> Think
>> >> of
>> >>> one thing you might be able to do and give it a shot. When it is a
>> >> success,
>> >>> or even if it isn't but you enjoyed the effort, it will have been
>> worth
>> >> it.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Cindy
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> AA> >>> Markham via NAGDU
>> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
>> >>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> >>>>>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is
>> >>>>>>> why I have to get help this way.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>> >>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
>> >>>>>>>> professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work
>> >>>>>>>> on this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go
>> >>>>>>>> out alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call
>> >>>>>>>> places to see where they are. You might want someone to go with
>> >>>>>>>> you at first, but if you get some ideas, you might need minimal
>> >>>>>>>> help. For instance, mostly when you are crossing streets, if the
>> >>>>>>>> traffic is paralle to you, you can cross. You have to be careful
>> >>>>>>>> about turning vehicles, and many streets have buttons so that you
>> >>>>>>>> self-actuate the light. You have to learn where the ones that get
>> >>>>>>>> you across your
>> >>>>>> preferred street are.
>> >>>>>>>> Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
>> >>>>>>>> sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
>> >>>>>>>> someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you
>> >>>>>>>> can get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place
>> >>>>>>>> you would want to go often, then have someone go with you a
>> >>>>>>>> couple or three times. After that, go by yourself but have them
>> >>>>>>>> trail you so that if you get lost they can help you out of a
>> bind.
>> >>>>>>>> Eventually, you
>> >>>>>>> would o how to get there.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> >>>>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> andrew
>> >>>>>>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
>> >>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> >>>>>>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know
>> >>>>>>>> the streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool
>> >>>>>>>> or anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me.
>> >>>>>>>> The cnib is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it
>> >>>>>>>> seems hard to get weekly o andm even once a week.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
>> >>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
>> >>>>>>>>> helpful to you.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
>> >>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs
>> >>>>>>>>>> actually it
>> >>>>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>>>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i
>> >>>>>>>>>> don't feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get
>> >>>>>>>>>> enough o andm here it seems it seems difficault to get them to
>> >>>>>>>>>> come. I am from
>> >>>>>>>> ontario canada.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
>> >>>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the Association For The Blind here in my area and she says
>> >>>>>>>>>>> there schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before
>> >>>>>>>>>>> her or one of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She
>> >>>>>>>>>>> very strongly suggested I fill out the application for the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> accelerated O and M training program at Leader Dogs For The
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Blind. I have just submitted my application. So glad this is
>> >>>>>>>>>>> an option available to me because this will be a week long
>> >>>>>>>>>>> training with work
>> >>>>>> every day.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work
>> >>>>>>>>>>> with the instructors here, they can only work with a client
>> >> once a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> week.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading this.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Amanda Markham
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> --
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>> >>>>>>>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
>> >>>>>>>>> (513) 607-6053
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>> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 21:42:24 -0600
>> From: james boehm <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
>> To: National Association of Guide Dog Users Gwizdala
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Breed Restrictions-FHA
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>> Dear friends,Greetings. This is an interesting subject regarding the
>> dangerous breeds and how it relates to the FHA. Marion is well versed in
>> the laws and I look forward to learning what he finds out. I found the
>> following info below, which I hope helps. I found it on the site that I use
>> quite often: www.servicedogcentral.org. Here is what the site stated:
>>
>> Species Restrictions
>> While only dogs are considered service animals under the ADA (and some
>> accommodations may be required for the use of some miniature horses), the
>> Fair Housing Act has no such restriction. While the ADA does not include
>> emotional support animals, the FHA does. Some housing providers will be
>> subject to the ADA, such as government owned housing. Some will be subject
>> to the FHA, such as most landlords with more than four units. Some will be
>> subject to both, and some to neither. Wherever the FHA applies, common
>> domestic species are included as assistance animals, but where the ADA
>> applies, only dogs are. Where both apply the FHA multiple species policy
>> applies.
>>
>> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/files/HUD%20FHEO%20Memo%202-17-2011...
>> <http://servicedogcentral.org/content/files/HUD%20FHEO%20Mem
>> o%202-17-2011%20Service%20Animal%20Memo%20%28accessible%29_0.pdf>
>> Breed Restrictions
>>
>> A landlord is permitted to refuse accommodation for a service animal
>> based on breed if allowing the animal would constitute an undue burden. An
>> example might be if the landlord's insurance carrier would drop his
>> coverage if an animal of a restricted breed were kept on the premises.
>>
>> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/files/2006-06-12%20HUD%20memo%20on%...
>> <http://servicedogcentral.org/content/files/2006-06-12%20HUD
>> %20memo%20on%20insurance%20policy%20restrictions%20related%
>> 20to%20reasonable%20accommodations.PDF>
>> ? Section 508 of the Workforce Investment of 1998 <
>> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/node/284>up <
>> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/node/58>Settlement Agreements ? <
>> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/us-settlement-agreements>Now, if
>> the housing falls under the ADA, I founds answers to questions regarding
>> breeding on the www.ada.gov website. Here is what it said: <
>> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/us-settlement-agreements>
>> <http://servicedogcentral.org/content/us-settlement-agreements>Q22. Can
>> service animals be any breed of dog?
>>
>> A. Yes. ?The ADA does not restrict the type of dog breeds that can be
>> service animals.
>>
>> Q23.?Can individuals with disabilities be refused access to a facility
>> based solely on the breed of their service animal?
>> A. No.? A service animal may not be excluded based on assumptions or
>> stereotypes about the animal's breed or how the animal might behave.?
>> However, if a particular service animal behaves in a way that poses a
>> direct threat to the health or safety of others, has a history of such
>> behavior, or is not under the control of the handler, that animal may be
>> excluded.? If an animal is excluded for such reasons, staff must still
>> offer their goods or services to the person without the animal present.
>>
>> Q24. If a municipality has an ordinance that bans certain dog breeds,
>> does the ban apply to service animals?
>> A. No. ?Municipalities that prohibit specific breeds of dogs must make an
>> exception for a service animal of a prohibited breed, unless the dog poses
>> a direct threat to the health or safety of others.? Under the ?direct
>> threat? provisions of the ADA, local jurisdictions need to determine, on a
>> case-by-case basis, whether a particular service animal can be excluded
>> based on that particular animal?s actual behavior or history, but they may
>> not exclude a service animal because of fears or generalizations about how
>> an animal or breed might behave.? It is important to note that breed
>> restrictions differ significantly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.? In
>> fact, some jurisdictions have no breed restrictions.
>>
>> EXCLUSION OF SERVICE ANIMALS
>>
>> Q25.?When can service animals be excluded?
>> A. The ADA does not require covered entities to modify policies,
>> practices, or procedures if it would ?fundamentally alter? the nature of
>> the goods, services, programs, or activities provided to the public.? Nor
>> does it overrule legitimate safety requirements. ?If admitting service
>> animals would fundamentally alter the nature of a service or program,
>> service animals may be prohibited.? In addition, if a particular service
>> animal is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to
>> control it, or if it is not housebroken, that animal may be excluded.
>>
>> Q26.?When might a service dog's presence fundamentally alter the nature
>> of a service or program provided to the public?
>> A. In most settings, the presence of a service animal will not result in
>> a fundamental alteration.? However, there are some exceptions.? For
>> example, at a boarding school, service animals could be restricted from a
>> specific area of a dormitory reserved specifically for students with
>> allergies to dog dander.? At a zoo, service animals can be restricted from
>> areas where the animals on display are the natural prey or natural
>> predators of dogs, where the presence of a dog would be disruptive, causing
>> the displayed animals to behave aggressively or become agitated.? They
>> cannot be restricted from other areas of the zoo.??
>>
>>
>> James Alan Boehm
>> <http://servicedogcentral.org/content/us-settlement-agreements>
>> <>EXCLUSION OF SERVICE ANIMALS
>>
>> Q25. When can service animals be excluded?
>> A. The ADA does not require covered entities to modify policies,
>> practices, or procedures if it would ?fundamentally alter? the nature of
>> the goods, services, programs, or activities provided to the public. Nor
>> does it overrule legitimate safety requirements. If admitting service
>> animals would fundamentally alter the nature of a service or program,
>> service animals may be prohibited. In addition, if a particular service
>> animal is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to
>> control it, or if it is not housebroken, that animal may be excluded.
>>
>> Q26. When might a service dog's presence fundamentally alter the nature
>> of a service or program provided to the public?
>> A. In most settings, the presence of a service animal will not result in
>> a fundamental alteration. However, there are some exceptions. For
>> example, at a boarding school, service animals could be restricted from a
>> specific area of a dormitory reserved specifically for students with
>> allergies to dog dander. At a zoo, service animals can be restricted from
>> areas where the animals on display are the natural prey or natural
>> predators of dogs, where the presence of a dog would be disruptive, causing
>> the displayed animals to behave aggressively or become agitated. They
>> cannot be restricted from other areas of the zoo.
>>
>>
>> James Alan Boehm
>> Peabody College of Vanderbilt University
>> Human Developmental Counseling/Clinical Counseling: M. ED.
>>
>> Contact Information:
>> Phone: 901-483-1515 <(901)%20483-1515>
>> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
>> Graduate Email: James.A.Boehm at Vanderbilt.edu
>> NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org
>> Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com
>>
>> -Audrey Hepburn: "Nothing is impossible, the word itself says ?I?m
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