[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 143, Issue 28

[Mardi Hadfield]

Dar, Mardi from Arizona here. What part of Arizona did you visit? I live in
Tucson, and if you ever visit AZ. again, and if you get to Tucson, I would
be more that happy to help you work with your dog on curbs or anything else
you might need. I am an owner trainer and have trained all 4 of my guides
and am currently training my Dutch Shepherd to be my next guide.     Mardi
and Shaman,retired and Neechee, GD and Sedona,GDIT.

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>    1. Doggie tattoos! (Daryl Marie)
>    2. Re: Doggie tattoos! (Cindy Ray)
>    3. Re: update on me (Amanda Markham)
>    4. Re: Doggie tattoos! (The Pawpower Pack)
>    5. Re: update on me (andrew edgcumbe)
>    6. Re: update on me (Cindy Ray)
>    7. Re: update on me (S L Johnson)
>    8. Re: Doggie tattoos! (Daryl)
>    9. Re: update on me (Danielle Ledet)
>   10. Re: update on me (andrew edgcumbe)
>   11. Re: update on me (Cindy Ray)
>   12. Re: update on me (Amanda Markham)
>   13. Breed Restrictions-FHA (james boehm)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 14:24:39 -0700 (MST)
> From: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [NAGDU] Doggie tattoos!
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> Hi, all!In celebration of my new job (YAY!) and in honour of Jenny's 5th
> birthday next week (WHERE has the time gone?), I've decided to take the
> plunge and get a tattoo of her paw print with her name inside it. :) I am
> excited and terrified. The big day is this Friday, and I'm kinda waffling
> at the irony that I've decided not to take Jenny, the inspiration for this
> tattoo, to the tattoo appointment with me. The reasons of this are twofold:
> I'm nervous enough about getting a tattoo that it just seems easier for me
> to NOT have to worry about Jenny and her reaction to the tattoo. Also, my
> husband will be meeting me there, and I wouldn't be in full control of my
> dog if I'm on the table and she decides to go greet him (something she's
> gotten better about, but still needs some work).I know it's silly... this
> second-guessing. I know my reasons are valid. My tattoo artist is super
> supportive, wanting to make things work so that Jenny can be with me, but
> her BEING there would be one more thing for me to worry about.
> Does this make sense?I'm getting this tattoo done because I do, seriously,
> want to be just like Jenny when I grow up. I want to work hard, to be good
> at my job, but not take life too seriously. I want to state my opinions
> fearlessly, and love with no reservations.SO excited.Daryl
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:31:05 -0600
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
>         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Doggie tattoos!
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> If this is what makes you the most comfortable, then it makes sense for you
> to not take Jenny to the tattoo parlor with you. Here are some thoughts
> though. Can you tie her to the table and get her to stay under it? I've not
> had a tattoo. Can you hold onto her leash while you are getting it?
>
> I would probably take my dog unless neither of these things wouldn't work,
> but I can appreciate your hesitance to do so. Sure then, it makes sense.
> Cindy
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Marie via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:25 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Daryl Marie <crazymusician at shaw.ca>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Doggie tattoos!
>
> Hi, all!In celebration of my new job (YAY!) and in honour of Jenny's 5th
> birthday next week (WHERE has the time gone?), I've decided to take the
> plunge and get a tattoo of her paw print with her name inside it. :) I am
> excited and terrified. The big day is this Friday, and I'm kinda waffling
> at
> the irony that I've decided not to take Jenny, the inspiration for this
> tattoo, to the tattoo appointment with me. The reasons of this are twofold:
> I'm nervous enough about getting a tattoo that it just seems easier for me
> to NOT have to worry about Jenny and her reaction to the tattoo. Also, my
> husband will be meeting me there, and I wouldn't be in full control of my
> dog if I'm on the table and she decides to go greet him (something she's
> gotten better about, but still needs some work).I know it's silly... this
> second-guessing. I know my reasons are valid. My tattoo artist is super
> supportive, wanting to make things work so that Jenny can be with me, but
> her BEING there would be one more thing for me to worry about.
> Does this make sense?I'm getting this tattoo done because I do, seriously,
> want to be just like Jenny when I grow up. I want to work hard, to be good
> at my job, but not take life too seriously. I want to state my opinions
> fearlessly, and love with no reservations.SO excited.Daryl
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:34:05 -0500
> From: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
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> Users"
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
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> That's the thing. They didn't mention anything specifically.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:07 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > So when they said that your mobility skills weren't good enough, what
> did they cite as examples. It really makes me wonder.
> > Cindy
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda
> Markham via NAGDU
> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:04 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> >
> > I'm definetly not afraid. I've been walking up to my local Wallgreens
> which is two blocks from my house and includes one lighted intersection.
> I've done this 3 times in one week. I went with my fianc? Jeff who's also a
> cane user. I did the walk once with him because my hearing was a bit off
> from the cold I had. Since then, I've done this rout twice by myself with
> no issue. Next, I plan to expand walking to a plaza a mile away. Will start
> this next week. Would like to cover the Wallgreens rout a few more times
> with Jeff walking a little distance behind so he can see how I'm doing.
> >
> >> On 2/20/17, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Hi Andrew, Amanda, and all,
> >> I want to chime in here and would like to make a few general comments,
> >> meant as encouragement for anyone struggling with their travel skills
> or others.
> >> You do not necessarily need a sighted person to teach you everything.
> >> If you know the basics of cane travel, you can start by just walking
> >> around the block, or even up and down your driveway. Take note of what
> >> you consistently come across, and slowly expand the area you know. As
> >> Cindy said, it?s generally safe to cross a street when the traffic is
> >> moving that is going in a parallel line to your direction.
> >>     Sighted people don?t need a manual to know how to teach you. All
> >> they need to tell you is what?s around you: coffee shops, stores,
> >> other businesses, you get the idea. Slowly, you can ask them to stay
> >> behind you and only intervene if you are in danger or have gotten
> really lost.
> >> I know that training isn?t an option for everyone, it can be expensive
> >> and funding can be hard to come by, but that is also an option if you
> >> can get it. Training was the best thing that has ever happened to me,
> >> and I am so grateful that I took the time to do it.
> >> Andrew, regarding the iPhone and other devices, there are a ton of
> >> resources online, including videos on YouTube, podcasts, etc, that can
> >> teach you how to use a smartphone. And, best of all, many are free!
> >> I hope that some of what I have said helps you in some way. Keep
> >> trying, and don?t forget that blind friends can also be a fantastic
> >> resource. One does not need to see to help.
> >>
> >>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So until you can get into the program, when the woman can work with
> >>> you, work on a route and then try it by yourself in the interim. It
> >>> is scary at first, but the pride that comes from having done it is
> >>> just immense. I remember when Jet, my black lab, could no longer
> >>> work. I needed to walk to the bank, or go there somehow. I began
> >>> coming up with all kinds of excuses why I couldn't do it, and pretty
> >>> soon I didn't. I began to realize that they were borne of fear. So I
> >>> decided one day I was just going to do it. I did, and I was a little
> >>> afraid, but I got there and back, and I really felt like dancing.
> >>> Cindy Lou Ray
> >>> cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>> <mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Amanda Markham via
> >>> NAGDU
> >>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:37 PM
> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> >>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com <mailto:markham73 at gmail.com>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> >>>
> >>> I use a cane. Worked at a training center for the blind for 9 months
> >>> in 2009. Up until then, I lived in a strictly residential area and
> >>> wasn't tought lighted intersections. I cross them now, but it needs
> >>> work. After I left the center, I had an instructor that only could
> >>> work with me once a week and I started only working  small routs.
> >>> Recently we've been working on city bus travel. But she says that
> >>> it'll be a couple weeks before she can work with me again. So this is
> >>> why I'd like to do the O and M training at leader dogs. Jump starts
> >>> early work and I can work everyday instead of once a week. I do live
> >>> with my mother who is sighted but she  cannot stand for long periods
> >>> or walk long distances because of her knees. Last May she had knee
> >>> replacement surgery.
> >>>
> >>>> On 2/20/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
> >>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:48 PM
> >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> >>>>
> >>>> i am not amanda but i will answer same questions for myself I don't
> >>>> have much in way of sited friends myself how can some body who is
> >>>> sited tell you what todo iActually, I think Gary had good suggestions.
> >>>> They are probably way better than the ones I gave.
> >>>> Cindy Lou Ray
> >>>> cinddyray at gmail.com
> >>>> f they have not delt with blind  people in orientation. Is there any
> >>>> kind of book or tips we can give those e helping us learn roots to
> >>>> things? also like what is the trick to learning things to crossing
> >>>> streets can this be done without an o and m instructor.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> You do not have any sighted friends? Have you not taken any
> >>>>> mobility and do you use a white cane? You don't need a professional
> >>>>> to help you with it really. I hope you will really benefit from
> >>>>> that Leader course, but it is too bad you can't do that because you
> >>>>> need constant
> >>>> practice to get better.
> >>>>> The less you do it, the more fearful you become. I know this from a
> >>>>> little bit of experience.
> >>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
> >>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda
> >>>>> Markham via NAGDU
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
> >>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is
> >>>>> why I have to get help this way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> >>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
> >>>>>> professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work
> >>>>>> on this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go
> >>>>>> out alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call
> >>>>>> places to see where they are. You might want someone to go with
> >>>>>> you at first, but if you get some ideas, you might need minimal
> >>>>>> help. For instance, mostly when you are crossing streets, if the
> >>>>>> traffic is paralle to you, you can cross. You have to be careful
> >>>>>> about turning vehicles, and many streets have buttons so that you
> >>>>>> self-actuate the light. You have to learn where the ones that get
> >>>>>> you across your
> >>>> preferred street are.
> >>>>>> Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
> >>>>>> sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
> >>>>>> someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you
> >>>>>> can get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place
> >>>>>> you would want to go often, then have someone go with you a couple
> >>>>>> or three times. After that, go by yourself but have them trail you
> >>>>>> so that if you get lost they can help you out of a bind.
> >>>>>> Eventually, you
> >>>>> would o how to get there.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
> >>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
> >>>>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
> >>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know the
> >>>>>> streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool or
> >>>>>> anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me. The
> >>>>>> cnib is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it
> >>>>>> seems hard to get weekly o andm even once a week.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
> >>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
> >>>>>>> helpful to you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
> >>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs
> >>>>>>>> actually it
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i
> >>>>>>>> don't feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get
> >>>>>>>> enough o andm here it seems it seems difficault to get them to
> >>>>>>>> come.  I am from
> >>>>>> ontario canada.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
> >>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from
> >>>>>>>>> the Association For The Blind here in my area and she says
> >>>>>>>>> there schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before
> >>>>>>>>> her or one of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She
> >>>>>>>>> very strongly suggested I fill out the application for the
> >>>>>>>>> accelerated O and M training program at Leader Dogs For The
> >>>>>>>>> Blind. I have just submitted my application. So glad this is an
> >>>>>>>>> option available to me because this will be a week long
> >>>>>>>>> training with work
> >>>> every day.
> >>>>>>>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work with
> >>>>>>>>> the instructors here, they can only work with a client once a
> week.
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading this.
> >>>>>>>>> Amanda Markham
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>> Thank you and warmest regards,
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:37:08 -0600
> From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>         <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Doggie tattoos!
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> Daryl,
> This is so awesome! I understand your reasons for not bringing her. It is
> absolutely your choice.  I have had tattoo work done 4 times and am about
> to go for number 5.  My dogs have been with me for all of them and you do
> not want to be dealing with them if you aren't sure they will be calm.
> Usually I bribe a dog-holder with beer and she holds my pup.
> I do have a dog tattoo on my left calf? on the outside.  I have 6
> pawprints, for each of my six working dogs.  In the center of each paw is
> the first letter of one of my dogs names in braille.  Twining around the
> paws that are walking  up my legs is a quote from Rodyard Kippling's the
> Jungle Book, which says:
> "For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is
> the pack."
>
>
>  Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 20, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Daryl Marie via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, all!In celebration of my new job (YAY!) and in honour of Jenny's 5th
> birthday next week (WHERE has the time gone?), I've decided to take the
> plunge and get a tattoo of her paw print with her name inside it. :) I am
> excited and terrified. The big day is this Friday, and I'm kinda waffling
> at the irony that I've decided not to take Jenny, the inspiration for this
> tattoo, to the tattoo appointment with me. The reasons of this are twofold:
> I'm nervous enough about getting a tattoo that it just seems easier for me
> to NOT have to worry about Jenny and her reaction to the tattoo. Also, my
> husband will be meeting me there, and I wouldn't be in full control of my
> dog if I'm on the table and she decides to go greet him (something she's
> gotten better about, but still needs some work).I know it's silly... this
> second-guessing. I know my reasons are valid. My tattoo artist is super
> supportive, wanting to make things work so that Jenny can be with me, but
> her BEING there would be one more thing for me to worry about.
> > Does this make sense?I'm getting this tattoo done because I do,
> seriously, want to be just like Jenny when I grow up. I want to work hard,
> to be good at my job, but not take life too seriously. I want to state my
> opinions fearlessly, and love with no reservations.SO excited.Daryl
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 17:53:25 -0500
> From: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
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> well first off I don't really have really any blind friends there is no
> blind clubs or anything there is just not much in way of blind people but
> anyway back to o andm. I have trouble finding people even who will even
> take me out and things and when i get discourraged then i loose modivation
> in fact i been really sad lately and things. i been frusterated i just want
> to get o ut instead of being trapped and want to be able to go for walks
> soon and things like that.  I really shouldn't be in my appartment all the
> time. I really don't know what to do and it is hard for myself to think
> through these things. I don't really have any connections with blind people
> i don't really have any real blind friends stuff like that. i wish i did
> but unfortinately i don't. It really doesn't work for me to learn eyephone
> on my own i am not a self learner just is not the way i function or
> opperate. I would learn things better if somebody was to sit down with me
> and stuff like that. I really not a self learner and not the type to learn
> on my own i would rather sit down with somebody else andthings. that is
> just way i am.
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Andrew, Amanda, and all,
> > I want to chime in here and would like to make a few general comments,
> > meant as encouragement for anyone struggling with their travel skills or
> > others.
> > You do not necessarily need a sighted person to teach you everything. If
> > you know the basics of cane travel, you can start by just walking around
> > the block, or even up and down your driveway. Take note of what you
> > consistently come across, and slowly expand the area you know. As Cindy
> > said, it?s generally safe to cross a street when the traffic is moving
> that
> > is going in a parallel line to your direction.
> >      Sighted people don?t need a manual to know how to teach you. All
> they
> > need to tell you is what?s around you: coffee shops, stores, other
> > businesses, you get the idea. Slowly, you can ask them to stay behind you
> > and only intervene if you are in danger or have gotten really lost.
> > I know that training isn?t an option for everyone, it can be expensive
> and
> > funding can be hard to come by, but that is also an option if you can get
> > it. Training was the best thing that has ever happened to me, and I am so
> > grateful that I took the time to do it.
> > Andrew, regarding the iPhone and other devices, there are a ton of
> > resources online, including videos on YouTube, podcasts, etc, that can
> > teach you how to use a smartphone. And, best of all, many are free!
> > I hope that some of what I have said helps you in some way. Keep trying,
> > and don?t forget that blind friends can also be a fantastic resource. One
> > does not need to see to help.
> >
> > > On Feb 20, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > So until you can get into the program, when the woman can work with
> you,
> > > work on a route and then try it by yourself in the interim. It is scary
> > at
> > > first, but the pride that comes from having done it is just immense. I
> > > remember when Jet, my black lab, could no longer work. I needed to walk
> > to
> > > the bank, or go there somehow. I began coming up with all kinds of
> > excuses
> > > why I couldn't do it, and pretty soon I didn't. I began to realize that
> > they
> > > were borne of fear. So I decided one day I was just going to do it. I
> > did,
> > > and I was a little afraid, but I got there and back, and I really felt
> > like
> > > dancing.
> > > Cindy Lou Ray
> > > cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:
> > nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Amanda Markham
> > > via NAGDU
> > > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:37 PM
> > > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org <mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com <mailto:markham73 at gmail.com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> > >
> > > I use a cane. Worked at a training center for the blind for 9 months in
> > > 2009. Up until then, I lived in a strictly residential area and wasn't
> > > tought lighted intersections. I cross them now, but it needs work.
> After
> > I
> > > left the center, I had an instructor that only could work with me once
> a
> > > week and I started only working  small routs.
> > > Recently we've been working on city bus travel. But she says that it'll
> > be a
> > > couple weeks before she can work with me again. So this is why I'd like
> > to
> > > do the O and M training at leader dogs. Jump starts early work and I
> can
> > > work everyday instead of once a week. I do live with my mother who is
> > > sighted but she  cannot stand for long periods or walk long distances
> > > because of her knees. Last May she had knee replacement surgery.
> > >
> > > On 2/20/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
> > >> edgcumbe via NAGDU
> > >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:48 PM
> > >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> > >>
> > >> i am not amanda but i will answer same questions for myself I don't
> > >> have much in way of sited friends myself how can some body who is
> > >> sited tell you what todo iActually, I think Gary had good suggestions.
> > >> They are probably way better than the ones I gave.
> > >> Cindy Lou Ray
> > >> cinddyray at gmail.com
> > >> f they have not delt with blind  people in orientation. Is there any
> > >> kind of book or tips we can give those e helping us learn roots to
> > >> things? also like what is the trick to learning things to crossing
> > >> streets can this be done without an o and m instructor.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> > >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> You do not have any sighted friends? Have you not taken any mobility
> > >>> and do you use a white cane? You don't need a professional to help
> > >>> you with it really. I hope you will really benefit from that Leader
> > >>> course, but it is too bad you can't do that because you need constant
> > >> practice to get better.
> > >>> The less you do it, the more fearful you become. I know this from a
> > >>> little bit of experience.
> > >>> Cindy Lou Ray
> > >>> cindyray at gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda
> > >>> Markham via NAGDU
> > >>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
> > >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> > >>>
> > >>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is why
> > >>> I have to get help this way.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
> > >>>> professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work
> > >>>> on this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go
> > >>>> out alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call places
> > >>>> to see where they are. You might want someone to go with you at
> > >>>> first, but if you get some ideas, you might need minimal help. For
> > >>>> instance, mostly when you are crossing streets, if the traffic is
> > >>>> paralle to you, you can cross. You have to be careful about turning
> > >>>> vehicles, and many streets have buttons so that you self-actuate
> > >>>> the light. You have to learn where the ones that get you across
> > >>>> your
> > >> preferred street are.
> > >>>> Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
> > >>>> sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
> > >>>> someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you
> > >>>> can get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place
> > >>>> you would want to go often, then have someone go with you a couple
> > >>>> or three times. After that, go by yourself but have them trail you
> > >>>> so that if you get lost they can help you out of a bind.
> > >>>> Eventually, you
> > >>> would o how to get there.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cindy Lou Ray
> > >>>> cindyray at gmail.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
> > >>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
> > >>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
> > >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> > >>>>
> > >>>> the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know the
> > >>>> streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool or
> > >>>> anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me. The
> > >>>> cnib is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it seems
> > >>>> hard to get weekly o andm even once a week.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
> > >>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
> > >>>>> helpful to you.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
> > >>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs
> > >>>>>> actually it
> > >>>>> is
> > >>>>>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i
> > >>>>>> don't feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get
> > >>>>>> enough o andm here it seems it seems difficault to get them to
> > >>>>>> come.  I am from
> > >>>> ontario canada.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
> > >>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from
> > >>>>>>> the Association For The Blind here in my area and she says there
> > >>>>>>> schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before her or
> > >>>>>>> one of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She very
> > >>>>>>> strongly suggested I fill out the application for the
> > >>>>>>> accelerated O and M training program at Leader Dogs For The
> > >>>>>>> Blind. I have just submitted my application. So glad this is an
> > >>>>>>> option available to me because this will be a week long training
> > >>>>>>> with work
> > >> every day.
> > >>>>>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work with
> > >>>>>>> the instructors here, they can only work with a client once a
> week.
> > >>>>>>> Thanks for reading this.
> > >>>>>>> Amanda Markham
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>>>> marianne%40denningweb.com
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
> > >>>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> > >>>>> (513) 607-6053
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> > > --
> > > Thank you and warmest regards,
> > > Amanda markham
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 17:09:42 -0600
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
>         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
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> It is easy to think of what we should do. In fact, we can sit around and
> think about it a lot. Then the day has gone and it is too late to do it.
> Don't think. Just go outside and walk around for a bit. You'll be glad you
> did. Then you can go a little more. If you can't learn by yourself, if you
> have no friends, if there is no one there to help you, and if you should
> get outside the apartment, then you need to just do it. It may take you
> longer to accomplish what ou would like to, but if you just get a start, it
> might really cheer you on. If you have depression and it is going
> untreated, maybe you should seek counseling? I don't know if you do or not,
> but you are narrowing your life a lot with all of these reasons why you
> can't. Think of one thing you might be able to do and give it a shot. When
> it is a success, or even if it isn't but you enjoyed the effort, it will
> have been worth it.
>
> Cindy
>
>
> AA> >>> Markham via NAGDU
> > >>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
> > >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> > >>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> > >>>
> > >>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is
> > >>> why I have to get help this way.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> > >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
> > >>>> professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work
> > >>>> on this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go
> > >>>> out alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call
> > >>>> places to see where they are. You might want someone to go with
> > >>>> you at first, but if you get some ideas, you might need minimal
> > >>>> help. For instance, mostly when you are crossing streets, if the
> > >>>> traffic is paralle to you, you can cross. You have to be careful
> > >>>> about turning vehicles, and many streets have buttons so that you
> > >>>> self-actuate the light. You have to learn where the ones that get
> > >>>> you across your
> > >> preferred street are.
> > >>>> Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
> > >>>> sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
> > >>>> someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you
> > >>>> can get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place
> > >>>> you would want to go often, then have someone go with you a
> > >>>> couple or three times. After that, go by yourself but have them
> > >>>> trail you so that if you get lost they can help you out of a bind.
> > >>>> Eventually, you
> > >>> would o how to get there.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cindy Lou Ray
> > >>>> cindyray at gmail.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
> > >>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
> > >>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
> > >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> > >>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> > >>>>
> > >>>> the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know
> > >>>> the streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool
> > >>>> or anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me.
> > >>>> The cnib is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it
> > >>>> seems hard to get weekly o andm even once a week.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
> > >>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
> > >>>>> helpful to you.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
> > >>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs
> > >>>>>> actually it
> > >>>>> is
> > >>>>>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i
> > >>>>>> don't feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get
> > >>>>>> enough o andm here it seems it seems difficault to get them to
> > >>>>>> come.  I am from
> > >>>> ontario canada.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
> > >>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from
> > >>>>>>> the Association For The Blind here in my area and she says
> > >>>>>>> there schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before
> > >>>>>>> her or one of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She
> > >>>>>>> very strongly suggested I fill out the application for the
> > >>>>>>> accelerated O and M training program at Leader Dogs For The
> > >>>>>>> Blind. I have just submitted my application. So glad this is
> > >>>>>>> an option available to me because this will be a week long
> > >>>>>>> training with work
> > >> every day.
> > >>>>>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work
> > >>>>>>> with the instructors here, they can only work with a client once
> a week.
> > >>>>>>> Thanks for reading this.
> > >>>>>>> Amanda Markham
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
> > >>>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> > >>>>> (513) 607-6053
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >> m
> > >>
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> > > --
> > > Thank you and warmest regards,
> > > Amanda markham
> > >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 19:17:48 -0500
> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>         <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> Message-ID: <6DA7F532D7404583B86F299E66F157CF at SLJohnson>
>
> Cindy:
>
> It is unfortunate but some of us do not have sighted help.  It does make it
> much more difficult when trying to learn a new area.  Another difficulty is
> if you live in a very quiet residential area because there are not
> pedestrians to ask when you get lost.
>
> Sandra Johnson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:42 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>
> You do not have any sighted friends? Have you not taken any mobility and do
> you use a white cane? You don't need a professional to help you with it
> really. I hope you will really benefit from that Leader course, but it is
> too bad you can't do that because you need constant practice to get better.
> The less you do it, the more fearful you become. I know this from a little
> bit of experience.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda Markham
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>
> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is why I have
> to get help this way.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
> > professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work on
> > this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go out
> > alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call places to see
> > where they are. You might want someone to go with you at first, but if
> > you get some ideas, you might need minimal help. For instance, mostly
> > when you are crossing streets, if the traffic is paralle to you, you
> > can cross. You have to be careful about turning vehicles, and many
> > streets have buttons so that you self-actuate the light. You have to
> > learn where the ones that get you across your preferred street are.
> > Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
> > sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
> > someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you can
> > get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place you
> > would want to go often, then have someone go with you a couple or
> > three times. After that, go by yourself but have them trail you so
> > that if you get lost they can help you out of a bind. Eventually, you
> would o how to get there.
> >
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
> > edgcumbe via NAGDU
> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> >
> > the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know the
> > streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool or
> > anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me. The cnib
> > is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it seems hard to
> > get weekly o andm even once a week.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
> > nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
> >> helpful to you.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs actually
> >>> it
> >> is
> >>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i don't
> >>> feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get enough o andm
> >>> here it seems it seems difficault to get them to come.  I am from
> > ontario canada.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
> >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from the
> >>>> Association For The Blind here in my area and she says there
> >>>> schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before her or one
> >>>> of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She very strongly
> >>>> suggested I fill out the application for the accelerated O and M
> >>>> training program at Leader Dogs For The Blind. I have just
> >>>> submitted my application. So glad this is an option available to me
> >>>> because this will be a week long training with work every day.
> >>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work with the
> >>>> instructors here, they can only work with a client once a week.
> >>>> Thanks for reading this.
> >>>> Amanda Markham
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> NAGDU mailing list
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
> >> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> >> (513) 607-6053
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 17:36:04 -0700
> From: Daryl <crazymusician at shaw.ca>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>         <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Doggie tattoos!
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> Thank you both so much. I think for my first tattoo, and especially
> because my husband won't be there at the beginning, I'm much more
> comfortable leaving Jenny at home. It's just one less thing to have to
> worry about, whether or not I will be calm or whether she will be calm, and
> knowing it when she sees my husband she will probably lose her mind.
> Although, she has been known to pleasantly  surprise me, but I don't really
> want to find out while I'm getting poked with needles.
>
> Daryl
>
> On February 20, 2017 2:37:08 PM MST, The Pawpower Pack via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >Daryl,
> >This is so awesome! I understand your reasons for not bringing her. It
> >is absolutely your choice.  I have had tattoo work done 4 times and am
> >about to go for number 5.  My dogs have been with me for all of them
> >and you do not want to be dealing with them if you aren't sure they
> >will be calm.  Usually I bribe a dog-holder with beer and she holds my
> >pup.
> >I do have a dog tattoo on my left calf? on the outside.  I have 6
> >pawprints, for each of my six working dogs.  In the center of each paw
> >is the first letter of one of my dogs names in braille.  Twining around
> >the paws that are walking  up my legs is a quote from Rodyard
> >Kippling's the Jungle Book, which says:
> >"For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf
> >is the pack."
> >
> >
> > Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> >Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> >Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 20, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Daryl Marie via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi, all!In celebration of my new job (YAY!) and in honour of Jenny's
> >5th birthday next week (WHERE has the time gone?), I've decided to take
> >the plunge and get a tattoo of her paw print with her name inside it.
> >:) I am excited and terrified. The big day is this Friday, and I'm
> >kinda waffling at the irony that I've decided not to take Jenny, the
> >inspiration for this tattoo, to the tattoo appointment with me. The
> >reasons of this are twofold: I'm nervous enough about getting a tattoo
> >that it just seems easier for me to NOT have to worry about Jenny and
> >her reaction to the tattoo. Also, my husband will be meeting me there,
> >and I wouldn't be in full control of my dog if I'm on the table and she
> >decides to go greet him (something she's gotten better about, but still
> >needs some work).I know it's silly... this second-guessing. I know my
> >reasons are valid. My tattoo artist is super supportive, wanting to
> >make things work so that Jenny can be with me, but her BEING there
> >would be one more thing for me to worry about.
> >> Does this make sense?I'm getting this tattoo done because I do,
> >seriously, want to be just like Jenny when I grow up. I want to work
> >hard, to be good at my job, but not take life too seriously. I want to
> >state my opinions fearlessly, and love with no reservations.SO
> >excited.Daryl
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 18:44:12 -0600
> From: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>         <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
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> Congratulations! I hear this is a great program. Glad she was upfront
> and encouraging you to do this. Cahantal, I did not iknow Pilot had a
> program also. They aught to broaden their website more and their web
> presence. Cindy, this is a great idea. Howver, I have found sighted
> people don't seem excited about using their eyes for others. My family
> couldn't see that driving did not translate the same as when walking
> the same route. I could never get them to walk routes with me! Maybe
> once I move and have friends, but I seriously doubt it. I'm alright
> with branching out on my own once I have a little information, but
> terrain is a big deal for me now. I wish fully able people were
> kinder! Gary, great advice; probably the best I ever gotten. And yes I
> put it to use, and half the battle is already won. I never shied from
> venturing out once I did it for the first time, it's just not my
> favorite preferred way to go! I hope Amanda will do this once in a
> while. I listened to a message by Joyce Meyer and she said, "Do it
> afraid!" So that's what I do with anything I am facing that's knew to
> me and it helps a lot to think this way. As Cindy said, once you have
> done something and accomplished it, like travel, since that is a
> sticking point often for us blind and visually impaired folks, it's
> easier always after that. You could also call someone ahead of time
> and let them know you are going out exploring and to keep a look out
> for you, or, say if I don't answer within the hour come looking for
> me. Be sure to ask questions like if you take cabs for rides every so
> often of what you are passing and which roads you are crossing and so
> you can have an idea of what's coming up once you leave your door.
> ALso, put something audible at your house so you can know when you
> have reached home! Is it possible for you to MapQuest somewhere yo
> want to go and then write out the directions to carry with you?
>
>
> On 2/20/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > It is easy to think of what we should do. In fact, we can sit around and
> > think about it a lot. Then the day has gone and it is too late to do it.
> > Don't think. Just go outside and walk around for a bit. You'll be glad
> you
> > did. Then you can go a little more. If you can't learn by yourself, if
> you
> > have no friends, if there is no one there to help you, and if you should
> get
> > outside the apartment, then you need to just do it. It may take you
> longer
> > to accomplish what ou would like to, but if you just get a start, it
> might
> > really cheer you on. If you have depression and it is going untreated,
> maybe
> > you should seek counseling? I don't know if you do or not, but you are
> > narrowing your life a lot with all of these reasons why you can't. Think
> of
> > one thing you might be able to do and give it a shot. When it is a
> success,
> > or even if it isn't but you enjoyed the effort, it will have been worth
> it.
> >
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> >
> > AA> >>> Markham via NAGDU
> >> >>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
> >> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> >> >>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is
> >> >>> why I have to get help this way.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> >> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
> >> >>>> professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work
> >> >>>> on this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go
> >> >>>> out alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call
> >> >>>> places to see where they are. You might want someone to go with
> >> >>>> you at first, but if you get some ideas, you might need minimal
> >> >>>> help. For instance, mostly when you are crossing streets, if the
> >> >>>> traffic is paralle to you, you can cross. You have to be careful
> >> >>>> about turning vehicles, and many streets have buttons so that you
> >> >>>> self-actuate the light. You have to learn where the ones that get
> >> >>>> you across your
> >> >> preferred street are.
> >> >>>> Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
> >> >>>> sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
> >> >>>> someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you
> >> >>>> can get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place
> >> >>>> you would want to go often, then have someone go with you a
> >> >>>> couple or three times. After that, go by yourself but have them
> >> >>>> trail you so that if you get lost they can help you out of a bind.
> >> >>>> Eventually, you
> >> >>> would o how to get there.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Cindy Lou Ray
> >> >>>> cindyray at gmail.com
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
> >> >>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
> >> >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> >> >>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know
> >> >>>> the streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool
> >> >>>> or anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me.
> >> >>>> The cnib is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it
> >> >>>> seems hard to get weekly o andm even once a week.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
> >> >>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
> >> >>>>> helpful to you.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
> >> >>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs
> >> >>>>>> actually it
> >> >>>>> is
> >> >>>>>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i
> >> >>>>>> don't feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get
> >> >>>>>> enough o andm here it seems it seems difficault to get them to
> >> >>>>>> come.  I am from
> >> >>>> ontario canada.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
> >> >>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from
> >> >>>>>>> the Association For The Blind here in my area and she says
> >> >>>>>>> there schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before
> >> >>>>>>> her or one of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She
> >> >>>>>>> very strongly suggested I fill out the application for the
> >> >>>>>>> accelerated O and M training program at Leader Dogs For The
> >> >>>>>>> Blind. I have just submitted my application. So glad this is
> >> >>>>>>> an option available to me because this will be a week long
> >> >>>>>>> training with work
> >> >> every day.
> >> >>>>>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work
> >> >>>>>>> with the instructors here, they can only work with a client
> once a
> >> >>>>>>> week.
> >> >>>>>>> Thanks for reading this.
> >> >>>>>>> Amanda Markham
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >> >>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> --
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> >> >>>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> >> >>>>> (513) 607-6053
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> >> > Amanda markham
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 21:49:35 -0500
> From: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>         <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
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> i know i myself live in a quieter part of town but the thing is just trying
> to find right people to help me.
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Danielle Ledet via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Congratulations! I hear this is a great program. Glad she was upfront
> > and encouraging you to do this. Cahantal, I did not iknow Pilot had a
> > program also. They aught to broaden their website more and their web
> > presence. Cindy, this is a great idea. Howver, I have found sighted
> > people don't seem excited about using their eyes for others. My family
> > couldn't see that driving did not translate the same as when walking
> > the same route. I could never get them to walk routes with me! Maybe
> > once I move and have friends, but I seriously doubt it. I'm alright
> > with branching out on my own once I have a little information, but
> > terrain is a big deal for me now. I wish fully able people were
> > kinder! Gary, great advice; probably the best I ever gotten. And yes I
> > put it to use, and half the battle is already won. I never shied from
> > venturing out once I did it for the first time, it's just not my
> > favorite preferred way to go! I hope Amanda will do this once in a
> > while. I listened to a message by Joyce Meyer and she said, "Do it
> > afraid!" So that's what I do with anything I am facing that's knew to
> > me and it helps a lot to think this way. As Cindy said, once you have
> > done something and accomplished it, like travel, since that is a
> > sticking point often for us blind and visually impaired folks, it's
> > easier always after that. You could also call someone ahead of time
> > and let them know you are going out exploring and to keep a look out
> > for you, or, say if I don't answer within the hour come looking for
> > me. Be sure to ask questions like if you take cabs for rides every so
> > often of what you are passing and which roads you are crossing and so
> > you can have an idea of what's coming up once you leave your door.
> > ALso, put something audible at your house so you can know when you
> > have reached home! Is it possible for you to MapQuest somewhere yo
> > want to go and then write out the directions to carry with you?
> >
> >
> > On 2/20/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > It is easy to think of what we should do. In fact, we can sit around
> and
> > > think about it a lot. Then the day has gone and it is too late to do
> it.
> > > Don't think. Just go outside and walk around for a bit. You'll be glad
> > you
> > > did. Then you can go a little more. If you can't learn by yourself, if
> > you
> > > have no friends, if there is no one there to help you, and if you
> should
> > get
> > > outside the apartment, then you need to just do it. It may take you
> > longer
> > > to accomplish what ou would like to, but if you just get a start, it
> > might
> > > really cheer you on. If you have depression and it is going untreated,
> > maybe
> > > you should seek counseling? I don't know if you do or not, but you are
> > > narrowing your life a lot with all of these reasons why you can't.
> Think
> > of
> > > one thing you might be able to do and give it a shot. When it is a
> > success,
> > > or even if it isn't but you enjoyed the effort, it will have been worth
> > it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cindy
> > >
> > >
> > > AA> >>> Markham via NAGDU
> > >> >>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
> > >> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> > >> >>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >> >>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is
> > >> >>> why I have to get help this way.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> > >> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >> >>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
> > >> >>>> professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work
> > >> >>>> on this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go
> > >> >>>> out alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call
> > >> >>>> places to see where they are. You might want someone to go with
> > >> >>>> you at first, but if you get some ideas, you might need minimal
> > >> >>>> help. For instance, mostly when you are crossing streets, if the
> > >> >>>> traffic is paralle to you, you can cross. You have to be careful
> > >> >>>> about turning vehicles, and many streets have buttons so that you
> > >> >>>> self-actuate the light. You have to learn where the ones that get
> > >> >>>> you across your
> > >> >> preferred street are.
> > >> >>>> Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
> > >> >>>> sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
> > >> >>>> someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you
> > >> >>>> can get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place
> > >> >>>> you would want to go often, then have someone go with you a
> > >> >>>> couple or three times. After that, go by yourself but have them
> > >> >>>> trail you so that if you get lost they can help you out of a
> bind.
> > >> >>>> Eventually, you
> > >> >>> would o how to get there.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Cindy Lou Ray
> > >> >>>> cindyray at gmail.com
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> andrew
> > >> >>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
> > >> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
> > >> >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> > >> >>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >> >>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> > >> >>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know
> > >> >>>> the streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool
> > >> >>>> or anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me.
> > >> >>>> The cnib is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it
> > >> >>>> seems hard to get weekly o andm even once a week.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
> > >> >>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
> > >> >>>>> helpful to you.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
> > >> >>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs
> > >> >>>>>> actually it
> > >> >>>>> is
> > >> >>>>>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i
> > >> >>>>>> don't feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get
> > >> >>>>>> enough o andm here it seems it seems difficault to get them to
> > >> >>>>>> come.  I am from
> > >> >>>> ontario canada.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
> > >> >>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from
> > >> >>>>>>> the Association For The Blind here in my area and she says
> > >> >>>>>>> there schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before
> > >> >>>>>>> her or one of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She
> > >> >>>>>>> very strongly suggested I fill out the application for the
> > >> >>>>>>> accelerated O and M training program at Leader Dogs For The
> > >> >>>>>>> Blind. I have just submitted my application. So glad this is
> > >> >>>>>>> an option available to me because this will be a week long
> > >> >>>>>>> training with work
> > >> >> every day.
> > >> >>>>>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work
> > >> >>>>>>> with the instructors here, they can only work with a client
> > once a
> > >> >>>>>>> week.
> > >> >>>>>>> Thanks for reading this.
> > >> >>>>>>> Amanda Markham
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >> >>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list
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> > >> >>>>>>>
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> > >> >>>>>> marianne%40denningweb.com
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> --
> > >> >>>>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
> > >> >>>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> > >> >>>>> (513) 607-6053
> > >> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >> >>>> om
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> > >> >> om
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Thank you and warmest regards,
> > >> > Amanda markham
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 21:00:48 -0600
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
>         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
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> Well, I live in such an area, and I don't have sighted help either. I
> understand it is harder, but the longer we don't do it, the harder it gets.
> That's all I'll say on the topic because I don't mean to offend anybody.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 6:18 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: S L Johnson <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>
> Cindy:
>
> It is unfortunate but some of us do not have sighted help.  It does make it
> much more difficult when trying to learn a new area.  Another difficulty is
> if you live in a very quiet residential area because there are not
> pedestrians to ask when you get lost.
>
> Sandra Johnson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:42 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>
> You do not have any sighted friends? Have you not taken any mobility and do
> you use a white cane? You don't need a professional to help you with it
> really. I hope you will really benefit from that Leader course, but it is
> too bad you can't do that because you need constant practice to get better.
> The less you do it, the more fearful you become. I know this from a little
> bit of experience.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda Markham
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
>
> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is why I have
> to get help this way.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
> > professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work on
> > this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go out
> > alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call places to see
> > where they are. You might want someone to go with you at first, but if
> > you get some ideas, you might need minimal help. For instance, mostly
> > when you are crossing streets, if the traffic is paralle to you, you
> > can cross. You have to be careful about turning vehicles, and many
> > streets have buttons so that you self-actuate the light. You have to
> > learn where the ones that get you across your preferred street are.
> > Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
> > sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
> > someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you can
> > get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place you
> > would want to go often, then have someone go with you a couple or
> > three times. After that, go by yourself but have them trail you so
> > that if you get lost they can help you out of a bind. Eventually, you
> would o how to get there.
> >
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
> > edgcumbe via NAGDU
> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> >
> > the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know the
> > streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool or
> > anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me. The cnib
> > is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it seems hard to
> > get weekly o andm even once a week.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
> > nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
> >> helpful to you.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs actually
> >>> it
> >> is
> >>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i don't
> >>> feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get enough o andm
> >>> here it seems it seems difficault to get them to come.  I am from
> > ontario canada.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
> >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from the
> >>>> Association For The Blind here in my area and she says there
> >>>> schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before her or one
> >>>> of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She very strongly
> >>>> suggested I fill out the application for the accelerated O and M
> >>>> training program at Leader Dogs For The Blind. I have just
> >>>> submitted my application. So glad this is an option available to me
> >>>> because this will be a week long training with work every day.
> >>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work with the
> >>>> instructors here, they can only work with a client once a week.
> >>>> Thanks for reading this.
> >>>> Amanda Markham
> >>>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:30:51 -0500
> From: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>         <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
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> Right now I use BlindSquare on my iPhone.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 20, 2017, at 9:49 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > i know i myself live in a quieter part of town but the thing is just
> trying
> > to find right people to help me.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Danielle Ledet via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Congratulations! I hear this is a great program. Glad she was upfront
> >> and encouraging you to do this. Cahantal, I did not iknow Pilot had a
> >> program also. They aught to broaden their website more and their web
> >> presence. Cindy, this is a great idea. Howver, I have found sighted
> >> people don't seem excited about using their eyes for others. My family
> >> couldn't see that driving did not translate the same as when walking
> >> the same route. I could never get them to walk routes with me! Maybe
> >> once I move and have friends, but I seriously doubt it. I'm alright
> >> with branching out on my own once I have a little information, but
> >> terrain is a big deal for me now. I wish fully able people were
> >> kinder! Gary, great advice; probably the best I ever gotten. And yes I
> >> put it to use, and half the battle is already won. I never shied from
> >> venturing out once I did it for the first time, it's just not my
> >> favorite preferred way to go! I hope Amanda will do this once in a
> >> while. I listened to a message by Joyce Meyer and she said, "Do it
> >> afraid!" So that's what I do with anything I am facing that's knew to
> >> me and it helps a lot to think this way. As Cindy said, once you have
> >> done something and accomplished it, like travel, since that is a
> >> sticking point often for us blind and visually impaired folks, it's
> >> easier always after that. You could also call someone ahead of time
> >> and let them know you are going out exploring and to keep a look out
> >> for you, or, say if I don't answer within the hour come looking for
> >> me. Be sure to ask questions like if you take cabs for rides every so
> >> often of what you are passing and which roads you are crossing and so
> >> you can have an idea of what's coming up once you leave your door.
> >> ALso, put something audible at your house so you can know when you
> >> have reached home! Is it possible for you to MapQuest somewhere yo
> >> want to go and then write out the directions to carry with you?
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 2/20/17, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> It is easy to think of what we should do. In fact, we can sit around
> and
> >>> think about it a lot. Then the day has gone and it is too late to do
> it.
> >>> Don't think. Just go outside and walk around for a bit. You'll be glad
> >> you
> >>> did. Then you can go a little more. If you can't learn by yourself, if
> >> you
> >>> have no friends, if there is no one there to help you, and if you
> should
> >> get
> >>> outside the apartment, then you need to just do it. It may take you
> >> longer
> >>> to accomplish what ou would like to, but if you just get a start, it
> >> might
> >>> really cheer you on. If you have depression and it is going untreated,
> >> maybe
> >>> you should seek counseling? I don't know if you do or not, but you are
> >>> narrowing your life a lot with all of these reasons why you can't.
> Think
> >> of
> >>> one thing you might be able to do and give it a shot. When it is a
> >> success,
> >>> or even if it isn't but you enjoyed the effort, it will have been worth
> >> it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cindy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> AA> >>> Markham via NAGDU
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:24 PM
> >>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Cc: Amanda Markham <markham73 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don't have anybody in my area who can do this for me. Which is
> >>>>>>> why I have to get help this way.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU
> >>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I am wondering if those of you who have no means of woking with a
> >>>>>>>> professional could go out with people you know sometimes and work
> >>>>>>>> on this on your own. Than as you grow more confident, you can go
> >>>>>>>> out alone and ask for directions, ask what is where, or call
> >>>>>>>> places to see where they are. You might want someone to go with
> >>>>>>>> you at first, but if you get some ideas, you might need minimal
> >>>>>>>> help. For instance, mostly when you are crossing streets, if the
> >>>>>>>> traffic is paralle to you, you can cross. You have to be careful
> >>>>>>>> about turning vehicles, and many streets have buttons so that you
> >>>>>>>> self-actuate the light. You have to learn where the ones that get
> >>>>>>>> you across your
> >>>>>> preferred street are.
> >>>>>>>> Maybe you can walk along and find shorelines--cracks between the
> >>>>>>>> sidewalk and other cement, grass, rocks, whatever. You can have
> >>>>>>>> someone go with you to describe what and where things are so you
> >>>>>>>> can get some idea what you are going to encounter. Choose a place
> >>>>>>>> you would want to go often, then have someone go with you a
> >>>>>>>> couple or three times. After that, go by yourself but have them
> >>>>>>>> trail you so that if you get lost they can help you out of a bind.
> >>>>>>>> Eventually, you
> >>>>>>> would o how to get there.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
> >>>>>>>> cindyray at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of andrew
> >>>>>>>> edgcumbe via NAGDU
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:43 AM
> >>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] update on me
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the thing is this I moved into town and stuff but i don't know
> >>>>>>>> the streets and things i can't go to the coffee shop or the pool
> >>>>>>>> or anything can't go for a walk inless i have somebody with me.
> >>>>>>>> The cnib is the main orginization here in canada but as i said it
> >>>>>>>> seems hard to get weekly o andm even once a week.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Marianne Denning via NAGDU <
> >>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Andrew, I am so sorry you can't get the training that would be
> >>>>>>>>> helpful to you.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via NAGDU <
> >>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi amanda I did the o and m training program at leader dogs
> >>>>>>>>>> actually it
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>> a great program. I never have gotten a guide dog yet because i
> >>>>>>>>>> don't feel good about my o and m skills I can't seem to get
> >>>>>>>>>> enough o andm here it seems it seems difficault to get them to
> >>>>>>>>>> come.  I am from
> >>>>>>>> ontario canada.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Amanda Markham via NAGDU <
> >>>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Just heard back from the O and M instructor I worked with from
> >>>>>>>>>>> the Association For The Blind here in my area and she says
> >>>>>>>>>>> there schedules are so booked, it'll be a couple weeks before
> >>>>>>>>>>> her or one of the 3 other instructors can work with me. She
> >>>>>>>>>>> very strongly suggested I fill out the application for the
> >>>>>>>>>>> accelerated O and M training program at Leader Dogs For The
> >>>>>>>>>>> Blind. I have just submitted my application. So glad this is
> >>>>>>>>>>> an option available to me because this will be a week long
> >>>>>>>>>>> training with work
> >>>>>> every day.
> >>>>>>>>>>> This will be good in the long run cause if I wait and work
> >>>>>>>>>>> with the instructors here, they can only work with a client
> >> once a
> >>>>>>>>>>> week.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading this.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Amanda Markham
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
> >>>>>>>>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> >>>>>>>>> (513) 607-6053
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> >>>>> Thank you and warmest regards,
> >>>>> Amanda markham
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> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 21:42:24 -0600
> From: james boehm <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Guide Dog Users Gwizdala
>         <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Breed Restrictions-FHA
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> Dear friends,Greetings. This is an interesting subject regarding the
> dangerous breeds and how it relates to the FHA. Marion is well versed in
> the laws and I look forward to learning what he finds out. I found the
> following info below, which I hope helps. I found it on the site that I use
> quite often: www.servicedogcentral.org. Here is what the site stated:
>
> Species Restrictions
> While only dogs are considered service animals under the ADA (and some
> accommodations may be required for the use of some miniature horses), the
> Fair Housing Act has no such restriction. While the ADA does not include
> emotional support animals, the FHA does. Some housing providers will be
> subject to the ADA, such as government owned housing. Some will be subject
> to the FHA, such as most landlords with more than four units. Some will be
> subject to both, and some to neither. Wherever the FHA applies, common
> domestic species are included as assistance animals, but where the ADA
> applies, only dogs are. Where both apply the FHA multiple species policy
> applies.
>
> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/files/HUD%20FHEO%20Memo%202-17-2011...
> <http://servicedogcentral.org/content/files/HUD%20FHEO%
> 20Memo%202-17-2011%20Service%20Animal%20Memo%20%28accessible%29_0.pdf>
> Breed Restrictions
>
> A landlord is permitted to refuse accommodation for a service animal based
> on breed if allowing the animal would constitute an undue burden. An
> example might be if the landlord's insurance carrier would drop his
> coverage if an animal of a restricted breed were kept on the premises.
>
> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/files/2006-06-12%20HUD%20memo%20on%...
> <http://servicedogcentral.org/content/files/2006-06-12%
> 20HUD%20memo%20on%20insurance%20policy%20restrictions%
> 20related%20to%20reasonable%20accommodations.PDF>
> ? Section 508 of the Workforce Investment of 1998 <
> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/node/284>up <
> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/node/58>Settlement Agreements ? <
> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/us-settlement-agreements>Now, if the
> housing falls under the ADA, I founds answers to questions regarding
> breeding on the www.ada.gov website. Here is what it said: <
> http://servicedogcentral.org/content/us-settlement-agreements>
>  <http://servicedogcentral.org/content/us-settlement-agreements>Q22. Can
> service animals be any breed of dog?
>
> A. Yes. ?The ADA does not restrict the type of dog breeds that can be
> service animals.
>
> Q23.?Can individuals with disabilities be refused access to a facility
> based solely on the breed of their service animal?
> A. No.? A service animal may not be excluded based on assumptions or
> stereotypes about the animal's breed or how the animal might behave.?
> However, if a particular service animal behaves in a way that poses a
> direct threat to the health or safety of others, has a history of such
> behavior, or is not under the control of the handler, that animal may be
> excluded.? If an animal is excluded for such reasons, staff must still
> offer their goods or services to the person without the animal present.
>
> Q24. If a municipality has an ordinance that bans certain dog breeds, does
> the ban apply to service animals?
> A. No. ?Municipalities that prohibit specific breeds of dogs must make an
> exception for a service animal of a prohibited breed, unless the dog poses
> a direct threat to the health or safety of others.? Under the ?direct
> threat? provisions of the ADA, local jurisdictions need to determine, on a
> case-by-case basis, whether a particular service animal can be excluded
> based on that particular animal?s actual behavior or history, but they may
> not exclude a service animal because of fears or generalizations about how
> an animal or breed might behave.? It is important to note that breed
> restrictions differ significantly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.? In
> fact, some jurisdictions have no breed restrictions.
>
> EXCLUSION OF SERVICE ANIMALS
>
> Q25.?When can service animals be excluded?
> A. The ADA does not require covered entities to modify policies,
> practices, or procedures if it would ?fundamentally alter? the nature of
> the goods, services, programs, or activities provided to the public.? Nor
> does it overrule legitimate safety requirements. ?If admitting service
> animals would fundamentally alter the nature of a service or program,
> service animals may be prohibited.? In addition, if a particular service
> animal is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to
> control it, or if it is not housebroken, that animal may be excluded.
>
> Q26.?When might a service dog's presence fundamentally alter the nature of
> a service or program provided to the public?
> A. In most settings, the presence of a service animal will not result in a
> fundamental alteration.? However, there are some exceptions.? For example,
> at a boarding school, service animals could be restricted from a specific
> area of a dormitory reserved specifically for students with allergies to
> dog dander.? At a zoo, service animals can be restricted from areas where
> the animals on display are the natural prey or natural predators of dogs,
> where the presence of a dog would be disruptive, causing the displayed
> animals to behave aggressively or become agitated.? They cannot be
> restricted from other areas of the zoo.??
>
>
> James Alan Boehm
>  <http://servicedogcentral.org/content/us-settlement-agreements>
> <>EXCLUSION OF SERVICE ANIMALS
>
> Q25. When can service animals be excluded?
> A. The ADA does not require covered entities to modify policies,
> practices, or procedures if it would ?fundamentally alter? the nature of
> the goods, services, programs, or activities provided to the public.  Nor
> does it overrule legitimate safety requirements.  If admitting service
> animals would fundamentally alter the nature of a service or program,
> service animals may be prohibited.  In addition, if a particular service
> animal is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to
> control it, or if it is not housebroken, that animal may be excluded.
>
> Q26. When might a service dog's presence fundamentally alter the nature of
> a service or program provided to the public?
> A. In most settings, the presence of a service animal will not result in a
> fundamental alteration.  However, there are some exceptions.  For example,
> at a boarding school, service animals could be restricted from a specific
> area of a dormitory reserved specifically for students with allergies to
> dog dander.  At a zoo, service animals can be restricted from areas where
> the animals on display are the natural prey or natural predators of dogs,
> where the presence of a dog would be disruptive, causing the displayed
> animals to behave aggressively or become agitated.  They cannot be
> restricted from other areas of the zoo.
>
>
> James Alan Boehm
> Peabody College of Vanderbilt University
> Human Developmental Counseling/Clinical Counseling: M. ED.
>
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> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
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