[NAGDU] Travel to Europe

[Lee Pupo]

Thanks Peter for that excellent and fine saving review❗️I'm saving it for future refernce‼️
Lee and JP

LEE  😎

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  1. Re: Procedures and paperwork that we need to travel to the
     E.U. (Tracy Carcione)
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  3. Re: Belto, dog name (Jordan Gallacher)
  4. Re: Belto, dog name (Bryan Gearry)
  5. Dog Names (Nancy VanderBrink)
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 11. Re: Belto, dog name (Ann Edie)
 12. Re: Dog Names (The Pawpower Pack)
 13. Re: Belto, dog name (Bryan Gearry)
 14. Re: Belto, dog name (Jordan Gallacher)
 15. Re: Procedures and paperwork that we need to travel to the
     E.U. (Michael Forzano)
 16. Robot to function as guide dog (Yohei Iwasaki)
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 09:55:53 -0400
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
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Thanks Peter, that's very helpful.
The USDA guidance, and the official vet, say that overnight, tracked
delivery,  to the USDA office is fine, no physical visit required.  Which is
good, since it's about a 5-hour train trip each way.
Tracy


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Subject: [NAGDU] Procedures and paperwork that we need to travel to the E.U.

Hey Tracy.here's my cue.

For any of you traveling to E.U., we've just returned from a 3 week trip.
We're fresh on the procedure.

Here is what you need.  

Step one:   A vet health checkup.  Check with the vet whether the exam for
health cert has to currently be within 30 days or 10 days of departure.  It
is usually likely 10 days before leaving.  

This can't be just any vet.  It has to be with a vet who is certified by
USDA to do the checkup according to their standards and fill out their
specific paperwork.  They are called a "USDA certified vet".  So check with
your clinic to make sure of the vet you see has this certification, or
you'll have to be referred to a clinic who has one on staff.

Step two:  This vet should provide all of the necessary forms.  The
paperwork is called "3rd party USDA International Health Certificate".  You
will also hear the term "EU Pet Passport".  That's something else, not for
us as citizens or people originating travel from the U.S.  It is for EU
citizens, and can only be produced by a vet in the EU.  If you travel
frequently, yes, you too can get an EU Pet Passport - but you have to get it
there in the EU from an EU vet.  The only advantage is that the Pet Passport
is good for three months of travel in both directions.  But only if you
travel often to warrant it, because you have to get it over there, and it
costs more too.   By the way, even though you have to have your USDA
departure paperwork certified by USDA within ten days of leaving, it is good
for three months for returning to the U.S.  

Ok, back to us.   If you still want your vet to do the certificate, and they
won't provide it, then, call your local USDA / APHIS office to see if they
can get you the forms.   You should question it however, if your vet cannot
provide the paperwork, because it is about ten pages long, and involved.  If
this vet isn't familiar enough to generate a set of paperwork, I would
suggest seeing a different vet.  They should know how to generate the
paperwork, because they would have done it often enough to know what they
are doing.  You don't want clerical mistakes by not getting the right thing,
or losing a part of it, or something missing:  Or when you get to step
three, which is taking the papers to USDA for "validation", they won't do
it.   

Also, you should know that different vets charge different fees as they
wish.  We happen to use a very big vet that is a whole emergency hospital
with about 15 vets on staff.  They cost more than other vets in the area,
but we use them because we think they are the best.  They actually told us
that while they would be happy to do the exam and paperwork, that smaller
vets could do the exam, and we'd pay less.  But then there's the above, and
they had all our records on file. You could keep yours in a folder and
manage them yourself if you want to save the 40 bucks or whatever the
difference is.

Step three:  You go online to find a USDA / APHIS office at city near you,
and book an appointment in advance.  You have to physically go there and
hand them the paperwork.  They don't take walk ins.  Your paperwork has to
be certified within ten days of departure.   It's kind of a joke.  You just
paid a bunch of extra money for a USDA exam with a certified vet.and now you
are going to burn a day taking the certificate to USDA.  A desk vet will be
there, who will look at your papers, then stamp them as real and valid.
They don't want you to bring the animal, unless of course you need to work
with it that day.  

Ok.  What to bring to USDA:

a) The USDA paperwork above.  
b) At least two copies of a current rabies certificate.   

Now, what else to bring - for the trip overseas itself:
a) All of the things above.
b) Also bring a copy of your dog's training certification, or certificate of
graduation, or whatever they provided.  They don't have ADA over there.
About half of the time, you will be asked for any or all of these documents,
as well as to see the USDA health certificate and/or your your dog's
training program cert.  Always remember, you keep your documents.  They are
to show for proof and validation by anyone who asks, but you keep the
documents!  Sometimes, you won't be asked.  But count on this.  Depending on
which country you enter first from the U.S., they will examine your dog's
documents thoroughly on entry, or not.  Of course, just like if you put up a
tarp it won't rain. remember if you don't come prepared, you will be
asked.And when you get back into U.S. Customs, they will definitely look at
them, probably by a special person in a special room too.  We had this.
Actually they were quite sweet and we were out of there in minutes.  

Exceptions to the rules:
First, there are no exceptions.  You have to do these steps.

Second, there are some additional steps for Sweden, Norway, and any U.K.
country like England, Scotland, or Ireland.  For them, you must add two
things.  
1.  You have to check what they consider to be their definition of "current"
for rabies vaccination.  This is not the same as our "current" definition.
Many of us know the danger of over-vaccinating.  We personally spend the
money and do blood immunity titer tests.  Rabies is legally an exception:
you have to boost every few years even if not actually necessary, even with
good blood titre antibody counts.  For all of the other shots, we do not
vaccinate for the anything else unless the blood titer test shows it is
necessary.  Usually for us, in 7 years, it has been rare since original
shots that they have needed much.  Ok.  Back to rabies.  Unless you don't
care how many rabies booster shots your dog gets, you may want to consider
waiting to travel to one of those specific countries until you are pretty
freshly due for the normal booster, because they may require a fresh one
even if you are in the middle of a perfectly good period of time since your
last regular shot.  Check with USDA to make sure you are within the date for
the country.  They are actually very good about communicating, and they are
the one place I found where I could get some straight information after
chasing around the globe trying to reach consulates and bouncing forever.

2.  For at least the UK countries, you will also have to have proof of vet
administering tapeworm treatment within 5 days of entry to the country.  So
this means you'd time your vet visit.and push your schedule on following it
up with the USDA visit too.  

3.  Heartworm, Flea and tick treatment.  There is some discretion here.
Your vet will either have what you use on record from their having
prescribed and/or sold it to you, or having actually administered it to the
animal.  Or like in our case, it may be acceptable since you can buy these
things anywhere, that you simply tell them that you have been doing it, and
perhaps, just tell them the last time you treated.  We are both very
sensitive to chemicals.  And we have read credible things about dog sickness
and deaths, as well as human reactions to "pharma" flea treatments.  So we
do not let vets or anyone do administering of flea treatments - we manage
the dogs'  cleanliness, and treatment of fleas ourselves, not only for our
dogs but also thoroughly on the property as well.  Our vet was happy to hear
that, yes, we had already treated them, and he checked the box.  Don't be
afraid to be proactive.  For us, that would have also meant not letting the
vet do an administration of flea treatment during the visit to effectively
double what we had going.  Read this intelligently.  

As an aside, even though vets don't make money on this and don't think it
credible, we have measurable success adding nutritional yeast and fresh
squeezed garlic to our dogs' dry food.  I'm not a vet and am not offering
advice.  This is what we do at my house.  We don't have fleas.  We use
tablespoons of yeast to a big tupperware container, and only one clove of
squeezed garlic at most, to not upset stomachs.  That's our house.  And we
love dusting diatomaceous earth on occasion when needed, with a respirator,
and vacuuming the next day.don't breathe it!

Ok what else?  A little bit of what we discovered here.

In the E.U., please expect, to have to explain that your dog is a vision or
medical working dog, who assists you.  It is not as well known as you might
think.  We could not figure out if it was law, or not, or that it's just an
older culture with more people who have had more experience being a
civilization and have better listening ability and common sense.But with a
quick, polite, clear and effective explanation what the dog is for, almost
everyone turned on a dime and accepted the dogs and it was ok.  

OK let's talk about hotels and places.  Many, many are billed as pet
friendly.  There were situation where we stayed in places that weren't pet
friendly.  But we called or emailed in advance, and discussed with the owner
exactly how what the dogs were trained for, what they do for us, and how
professionally they behave and handle cleanliness.  And they said ok, come,
then were welcoming.  Regardless, you will almost always be charged a
cleaning fee per dog, per whole stay in a hotel.  Not per day, but per stay.
It's just their way there.  Hey, five to twenty bucks or so, a one-timer, on
top of your hotel fees.  That's dog cleaning fee, not deposit.  Just how it
is.  

Note for hotels, but also other places, that if you get along, and
especially try to be a good friendly guest and especially try to speak their
language even a little, it is extremely helpful.  In other words, don't be
defensive or forceful, but human and informational.  Or.don't be entitled as
if you can depend on an ADA assurance, like some do in the U.S. because they
know they are backed by law, or be the "Ugly American".  You may discover in
the end that you feel more welcome, and also that sometimes your cleaning
charge didn't happen.  In my case, I learned, and even had someone write out
for me in a pocket note, that I was severely vision impaired, and that my
dog was specially professionally trained to help me walk in ways that I
cannot see well.  Only when I couldn't speak French well enough with someone
who had the particular personality of a "rules boy" or "rules girl", did I
ever have to pull it out.  It was almost always graceful.  The only time I
had trouble, it was late, I arrived in a super hot village.  The woman
running the hotel was kind of nazi, and said, NO!  After three rounds of
communication, I finally went next door and got a shop keeper who spoke a
little English to help translate.  Then she got it, and said ok.  But the
room was an oven.she gladly didn't charge the reservation, and I found a
four star camping place for no money, with a restaurant, pool, showers, and
made friends with a fantastic couple over dinner.  Slept on a few blankets
and roughed it, Metukah on leash beside me for the night, a first time
adventure for both!  Those places are everywhere in the country, five
minutes out of town everywhere.  Stay open to adventure folks!

I hope this writing helps you guys, who are trying to research how to get to
the E.U.  I went through hell trying to find out.  So it's a presentation of
what I learned, a statement that it worked, and passing on the experience of
success over there.  We're just back a couple of weeks.  It was, by the way,
to France, Amsterdam and Belgium.  I understand they are really cool in
Germany.  Wherever we went, they were a serious dog loving culture, and not
nearly uptight like in the U.S., generally.  

Oh, and sorry, but everyone is going to just coo, and stop to look and or
talk to you, and reach right out and love your dog.  It's just their
culture.deal with it!  I handled this as I do at home when I have an
uncontrollable "incoming" - the thing to do is make a command called
"visit!", or "greet!"  Then, you don't have to worry about people stripping
your dog's gears.  I caught someone reaching in and did this at LAX just
this afternoon!  It's a lot quicker than waiting for someone to register
"oh, wait, no, don't, working dog, please ignore her".  In fact, you might
be surprised not there, but in the U.S., that commanding your dog to greet
someone as they reach actually gets their attention, and they pause in their
reach!

Feel free to write if you have questions.  

Cheers, and bon voyage!
Peter















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> Were do I get the actual form to fill out for the EU health 
> certificate?  I asked my vet, and they expect me to bring the form 
> with me.  I see tons of guidance on the USDA site, but can't find a link
to the actual form.
> 
> Thanks.
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> Tracy
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> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only advice my
field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
plain don't do them since they can be difficult.  Slidell is one of those
towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
them just fine most of the time.  Any advice on what I should do besides
ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What should I do
since I am not being taken seriously about that?
> Thanks,
> Jordan
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 21:48:13 +0000
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> Hey Jordan.
> If you're not being taken seriously by your field representative, you 
> may want to consider switching schools.
> Just my thoughts.
> Chantel.
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:43 PM Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU 
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>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer 
>> crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only 
>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in 
>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.  
>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings, 
>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has 
>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the 
>> time.  Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, 
>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What 
>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>> Thanks,
>> Jordan
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:53:50 -0500
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>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only advice my
field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
plain don't do them since they can be difficult.  Slidell is one of those
towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
them just fine most of the time.  Any advice on what I should do besides
ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What should I do
since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>> Thanks,
>> Jordan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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hello there, I can't speak for other schools, but the field reps from where
I've gotten my dogs are top notch. I suppose you could always try contacting
your school and possibly seeing if another field rep could make a visit.
Maybe that is the possible solution. Good luck.
> 
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> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 17:01:56 -0500
> From: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU <shardy at nfbtx.org>
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> Hello all,
> 
> Apparently today is the day for my technology to be failing me; as my 
> earlier message to the list was blank. What that message said, was I 
> can't speak for other schools, but the field reps from my school are 
> top notch. You might contact your school to see if another rep could come
> out. Hope this helps. Happy 4           to everyone.
> 
> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190 
> or (832) 779-7477
> 
> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
> "Live the life you want!"
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>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only advice my
field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
plain don't do them since they can be difficult.  Slidell is one of those
towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
them just fine most of the time.  Any advice on what I should do besides
ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What should I do
since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>> Thanks,
>> Jordan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 17:45:56 -0500
> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
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> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person?  I'm 
> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings 
> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
Earth?
> 
> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps 
> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some more 
> ideas.  Or help you with other ideas.  But if they don't know the 
> first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
> 
> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor?  If you 
> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved, 
> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
> 
> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is 
> this a new thing?  Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can 
> definitely influence the feel.  Other than that I can't think of 
> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
> 
> I hope you can get it resolved.
> Julie
> 
> 
>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only advice my
field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
plain don't do them since they can be difficult.  Slidell is one of those
towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
them just fine most of the time.  Any advice on what I should do besides
ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What should I do
since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>> Thanks,
>> Jordan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:52:20 -0500
> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
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> 
> No, we were just talking about it on the phone.  I am definitely going 
> to be getting on this more after the convention if I don't hear 
> anything by the end of the month that is for sure.  The problem with 
> the harness is that if the handle slides forward, it just plain gets 
> stuck.  I have a feeling something got bent the last time I flew and 
> had it in the overhead bin because it was working fine up until I came
back from my last trip.
> Jordan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie 
> Johnson via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:46 PM
> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
> Cc: Julie Johnson
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
> 
> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person?  I'm 
> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings 
> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
Earth?
> 
> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps 
> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some more 
> ideas.  Or help you with other ideas.  But if they don't know the 
> first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
> 
> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor?  If you 
> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved, 
> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
> 
> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is 
> this a new thing?  Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can 
> definitely influence the feel.  Other than that I can't think of 
> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
> 
> I hope you can get it resolved.
> Julie
> 
> 
>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer 
> crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only 
> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in 
> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.  
> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings, 
> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has 
> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the 
> time.  Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, 
> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What 
> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>> Thanks,
>> Jordan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:57:02 -0500
> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
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> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII"
> 
> Trust me, I have already considered that since he would not take me 
> seriously about Belto's behavior around other dogs including ones we 
> encountered during class.  I have to give a big thanks to people on 
> this list who suggested the pinch collar because it put an end to that 
> issue which makes me happy because last thing I wanted to do was send 
> the dog back especially Belto who works really well especially today 
> when it was quite hot, and he kept right on going.
> Jordan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chantel 
> Cuddemi via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 4:48 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Chantel Cuddemi
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
> 
> Hey Jordan.
> If you're not being taken seriously by your field representative, you 
> may want to consider switching schools.
> Just my thoughts.
> Chantel.
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:43 PM Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer 
>> crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only 
>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in 
>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings, 
>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has 
>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the 
>> time.  Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, 
>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What 
>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>> Thanks,
>> Jordan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 22:20:22 -0500
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
> Message-ID: <014101d2f474$796e9680$6c4bc380$@gmail.com>
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> 
> I sure wouldn't wait until the end of the month. I would get in touch 
> with them regularly, on a daily basis, and go up the chain of command 
> rather quickly.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan 
> Gallacher via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:52 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
> 
> No, we were just talking about it on the phone.  I am definitely going 
> to be getting on this more after the convention if I don't hear 
> anything by the end of the month that is for sure.  The problem with 
> the harness is that if the handle slides forward, it just plain gets 
> stuck.  I have a feeling something got bent the last time I flew and 
> had it in the overhead bin because it was working fine up until I came
back from my last trip.
> Jordan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie 
> Johnson via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:46 PM
> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
> Cc: Julie Johnson
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
> 
> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person?  I'm 
> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings 
> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
Earth?
> 
> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps 
> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some more 
> ideas.  Or help you with other ideas.  But if they don't know the 
> first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
> 
> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor?  If you 
> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved, 
> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
> 
> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is 
> this a new thing?  Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can 
> definitely influence the feel.  Other than that I can't think of 
> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
> 
> I hope you can get it resolved.
> Julie
> 
> 
>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer 
> crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only 
> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in 
> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.  
> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings, 
> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has 
> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the 
> time.  Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, 
> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What 
> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>> Thanks,
>> Jordan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 23:57:41 -0500
> From: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
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> 
> I wish I had that kind of time to do that to be honest.  I am quite busy
between now and leaving for convention.
> Jordan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:20 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> I sure wouldn't wait until the end of the month. I would get in touch 
>> with them regularly, on a daily basis, and go up the chain of command 
>> rather quickly.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan 
>> Gallacher via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:52 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> 
>> No, we were just talking about it on the phone.  I am definitely 
>> going to be getting on this more after the convention if I don't hear 
>> anything by the end of the month that is for sure.  The problem with 
>> the harness is that if the handle slides forward, it just plain gets 
>> stuck.  I have a feeling something got bent the last time I flew and 
>> had it in the overhead bin because it was working fine up until I came
back from my last trip.
>> Jordan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie 
>> Johnson via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:46 PM
>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> 
>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person?  I'm 
>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings 
>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
Earth?
>> 
>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps 
>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some 
>> more ideas.  Or help you with other ideas.  But if they don't know 
>> the first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>> 
>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor?  If you 
>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved, 
>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>> 
>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is 
>> this a new thing?  Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can 
>> definitely influence the feel.  Other than that I can't think of 
>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>> 
>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer 
>> crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only 
>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in 
>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.  
>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings, 
>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has 
>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the 
>> time.  Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, 
>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What 
>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 14:00:43 -0400
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
   Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
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Hi Jordan.

I'm curious about Belto's name.  It was my understanding that Leader leaves
the dog's name to the raiser family, so they often have regular dog names
like Max or Shadow.  So did Belto's family choose his name?  And did they
tell you why?  Or does Leader make up names now?  Just sounds like a name
with a story.



If anyone is interested, Krokus is named for Dick Krokus, director of
training at TSE for years a while back.  Everyone on the TSE staff who'd
known Mr. Krokus told me I would have a special boy, because he has a
special name.  I'm not so sure about that, but my Krokus has a mischievous
sense of humor, and I gather Mr. Krokus did, too.

Tracy





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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:21:09 -0500
From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
   Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
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I am not sure who named him, but we think that it was supposed to be Balto,
but somewhere it was misspelled, and thus Belto is what his name came to be.
Jordan

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via NAGDU
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:01 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: Tracy Carcione
Subject: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name

Hi Jordan.

I'm curious about Belto's name.  It was my understanding that Leader leaves
the dog's name to the raiser family, so they often have regular dog names
like Max or Shadow.  So did Belto's family choose his name?  And did they
tell you why?  Or does Leader make up names now?  Just sounds like a name
with a story.



If anyone is interested, Krokus is named for Dick Krokus, director of
training at TSE for years a while back.  Everyone on the TSE staff who'd
known Mr. Krokus told me I would have a special boy, because he has a
special name.  I'm not so sure about that, but my Krokus has a mischievous
sense of humor, and I gather Mr. Krokus did, too.

Tracy



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 10:28:27 -0800
From: Bryan Gearry <bgearry at alaskafrontier.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
   <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
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Belto is a very interesting name as the Anchorage Downtown Rotary had 
named a dog they had sponsored as Balto. That was the name to the lead 
dog in the race to Nome during the early 1900's to get diphtheria 
vaccines to Nome from Fairbanks. Later, that became the basis for the 
Iditarod which now is a sled dog race form Anchorage to Nome.

The Anchorage Rotary however named this dog for the Guide Dog Foundation.


> On 7/6/2017 10:21 AM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
> I am not sure who named him, but we think that it was supposed to be Balto,
> but somewhere it was misspelled, and thus Belto is what his name came to be.
> Jordan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:01 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Tracy Carcione
> Subject: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
> 
> Hi Jordan.
> 
> I'm curious about Belto's name.  It was my understanding that Leader leaves
> the dog's name to the raiser family, so they often have regular dog names
> like Max or Shadow.  So did Belto's family choose his name?  And did they
> tell you why?  Or does Leader make up names now?  Just sounds like a name
> with a story.
> 
> 
> 
> If anyone is interested, Krokus is named for Dick Krokus, director of
> training at TSE for years a while back.  Everyone on the TSE staff who'd
> known Mr. Krokus told me I would have a special boy, because he has a
> special name.  I'm not so sure about that, but my Krokus has a mischievous
> sense of humor, and I gather Mr. Krokus did, too.
> 
> Tracy
> 
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:30:45 +0000
From: Nancy VanderBrink <vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com>
To: Nancy VanderBrink via Nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [NAGDU] Dog Names
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While on the subject I'd be curious to know the stories behind your dogs' names.
I'll start with mine, Doc - male black lab from Southeastern, named in honor of a doctor in Florida who served for several years & loved black labs.  His puppy raisers were also his donors so not only did they get to raise him, but name him too!
My first guide who passed almost three years ago named Cole, he was a yellow lab I believe he was named either for or in honor of a child who passed, I'm not sure.

Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using voice dictation
Nancy Irwin




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 13:40:23 -0500
From: "Charlene Ota" <caota4 at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
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My boy's name is Irish and I've always thought that was an interesting name
for him since he was born, raised and trained at Guide Dogs Victoria i
Australia. At the school, they thought thtat was such a great name, too. As
a fundraiser kind of thing, people buy opportunities to name litters of
puppies and are put in a drawing.  Somebody got Irish's litter, and he was a
single puppy, had no siblings. For some reason, he was kind of a special dog
to a lot of his trainer and the kennel staff and he got many hugs when we
were ready to return to Hawaii.

Charlene
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Subject: [NAGDU] Dog Names

While on the subject I'd be curious to know the stories behind your dogs'
names.
I'll start with mine, Doc - male black lab from Southeastern, named in honor
of a doctor in Florida who served for several years & loved black labs.  His
puppy raisers were also his donors so not only did they get to raise him,
but name him too!
My first guide who passed almost three years ago named Cole, he was a yellow
lab I believe he was named either for or in honor of a child who passed, I'm
not sure.

Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
voice dictation
Nancy Irwin


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 14:57:03 -0400
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
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Interesting stories!

One of my GDB dogs was named Amba.  She was donated, and her breeders got to
pick her name.  Their name was Anderson, so the name had to start with A.
They chose the name Amba, which is a Hindu name for the Great Mother
Goddess.  It suited her absolutely.  She was a queen, and a mother-type,
strong and loving.  I've always felt she came to me from the Goddess to help
me when I needed her most.
Tracy

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My boy's name is Irish and I've always thought that was an interesting name
for him since he was born, raised and trained at Guide Dogs Victoria i
Australia. At the school, they thought thtat was such a great name, too. As
a fundraiser kind of thing, people buy opportunities to name litters of
puppies and are put in a drawing.  Somebody got Irish's litter, and he was a
single puppy, had no siblings. For some reason, he was kind of a special dog
to a lot of his trainer and the kennel staff and he got many hugs when we
were ready to return to Hawaii.

Charlene
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Subject: [NAGDU] Dog Names

While on the subject I'd be curious to know the stories behind your dogs'
names.
I'll start with mine, Doc - male black lab from Southeastern, named in honor
of a doctor in Florida who served for several years & loved black labs.  His
puppy raisers were also his donors so not only did they get to raise him,
but name him too!
My first guide who passed almost three years ago named Cole, he was a yellow
lab I believe he was named either for or in honor of a child who passed, I'm
not sure.

Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
voice dictation Nancy Irwin


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 12:16:48 -0700
From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
To: Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dog Names
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Nancy,

Oh. I was laughing at a yellow lab named Coal (like  the black stuff) 
then checked the spelling. Still, ironic, huh?

So Mitzi came with the name, only it was spelled M i t s y. I was 
horrified by the notion of going around with a poodle with such a name 
and planned to change it just as soon as I got to know her enough to see 
which of the alternates I was thinking of fit her. Only... She was a 
Mitsy. So I changed the spelling, which was silly but seemed somehow to 
fit better with the z i ending. She is definitely a Mitzi. No, I don't 
know what a Mitzi is, just that it is what Mitzi is. /lol/

When it was time to get a new puppy, the name Loki was on my list for a 
male. Thinking of Mitzi's puppyhood, I couldn't imagine a more apt name 
than that of a mischief deity. It would have fit her to a T for sure! 
The puppies in Loki's litter were all nicknamed for characters from one 
of the family's favorite films, so he was Bumper. I considered going 
with that, but the thought of having a guide dog named Bumper made me 
break out in a cold sweat. And I was sort of hooked on the name Loki by 
then, so I went with that. It has been pointed out to me that since Loki 
got to be kinda evil in later myths and shows up as an evil character in 
a number of modern iterations, that's a scarier name than Bumper. /lol/ 
My Loki is more like the early hearth deity who outwitted the other gods 
to bring fire to man and used his cleverness to get the rest of them out 
of trouble. Okay, so sometimes he was the cause of the trouble, but he 
did get them out of the trouble he caused them. Also, he's tall, dark 
and handsome, just like my Loki. /grin/ I hadn't realized how much the 
name had worked it's way into modern literature and movies, or I might 
have gone with something else. There's nothing like going down the 
sidewalk, saying "Loki, left," and having someone gasp, "Oooh! He's evil!"

Tami

> On 07/06/2017 11:30 AM, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU wrote:
> While on the subject I'd be curious to know the stories behind your dogs' names.
> I'll start with mine, Doc - male black lab from Southeastern, named in honor of a doctor in Florida who served for several years & loved black labs.  His puppy raisers were also his donors so not only did they get to raise him, but name him too!
> My first guide who passed almost three years ago named Cole, he was a yellow lab I believe he was named either for or in honor of a child who passed, I'm not sure.
> 
> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using voice dictation
> Nancy Irwin
> 
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 21:23:55 +0000
From: Nancy VanderBrink <vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com>
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It's funny, when I got him I actually asked the trainer how to spell his name because I thought the same thing!

Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using voice dictation
Nancy Irwin


> On Jul 6, 2017, at 3:18 PM, Tami Jarvis via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Nancy,
> 
> Oh. I was laughing at a yellow lab named Coal (like  the black stuff) then checked the spelling. Still, ironic, huh?
> 
> So Mitzi came with the name, only it was spelled M i t s y. I was horrified by the notion of going around with a poodle with such a name and planned to change it just as soon as I got to know her enough to see which of the alternates I was thinking of fit her. Only... She was a Mitsy. So I changed the spelling, which was silly but seemed somehow to fit better with the z i ending. She is definitely a Mitzi. No, I don't know what a Mitzi is, just that it is what Mitzi is. /lol/
> 
> When it was time to get a new puppy, the name Loki was on my list for a male. Thinking of Mitzi's puppyhood, I couldn't imagine a more apt name than that of a mischief deity. It would have fit her to a T for sure! The puppies in Loki's litter were all nicknamed for characters from one of the family's favorite films, so he was Bumper. I considered going with that, but the thought of having a guide dog named Bumper made me break out in a cold sweat. And I was sort of hooked on the name Loki by then, so I went with that. It has been pointed out to me that since Loki got to be kinda evil in later myths and shows up as an evil character in a number of modern iterations, that's a scarier name than Bumper. /lol/ My Loki is more like the early hearth deity who outwitted the other gods to bring fire to man and used his cleverness to get the rest of them out of trouble. Okay, so sometimes he was the cause of the trouble, but he did get them out of the trouble he caused them. Also, he's tall,
 dark and handsome, just like my Loki. /grin/ I hadn't realized how much the name had worked it's way into modern literature and movies, or I might have gone with something else. There's nothing like going down the sidewalk, saying "Loki, left," and having someone gasp, "Oooh! He's evil!"
> 
> Tami
> 
>> On 07/06/2017 11:30 AM, Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU wrote:
>> While on the subject I'd be curious to know the stories behind your dogs' names.
>> I'll start with mine, Doc - male black lab from Southeastern, named in honor of a doctor in Florida who served for several years & loved black labs.  His puppy raisers were also his donors so not only did they get to raise him, but name him too!
>> My first guide who passed almost three years ago named Cole, he was a yellow lab I believe he was named either for or in honor of a child who passed, I'm not sure.
>> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using voice dictation
>> Nancy Irwin
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 17:03:24 -0600
From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
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I had a black lab named Bianca. Bianca means white in Italian. I used to
sing to her a lot and one of the songs I sang was my own words to the old
Three dog night song, black and white. I'd sing something like, the dog is
black, her name means white, she guides by day and sleeps at night. Now I
have a golden named Petunia. I've been a Harry Potter fan for nearly twenty
years, and though Petunia in the series isn't a very nice character, still,
it is to me a perfect name for a golden and a perfect name for me. I'm glad
to have an HP named dog. lol.

Sherry

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Subject: [NAGDU] Dog Names

While on the subject I'd be curious to know the stories behind your dogs'
names.
I'll start with mine, Doc - male black lab from Southeastern, named in honor
of a doctor in Florida who served for several years & loved black labs.  His
puppy raisers were also his donors so not only did they get to raise him,
but name him too!
My first guide who passed almost three years ago named Cole, he was a yellow
lab I believe he was named either for or in honor of a child who passed, I'm
not sure.

Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
voice dictation
Nancy Irwin


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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:04:24 -0500
From: "Ann Edie" <Annedie at nycap.rr.com>
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Hi, Bryan, Tracy, Jordan, and All,

There is a book about the dog Bryan described whose run carrying medicine to
the people of Nome inspired the Iditarod sled dog race. I can't remember the
exact title of the book, but it is a small book for kids and it is available
in Braille from Seedlings Braille Books for Children. (I haven't checked to
see if it is available anywhere else in other formats.) The name of the dog
used in the book is "Belto", so I guess there must be some ambiguity about
whether "Belto" or "Balto" is the correct spelling of the name. Anyway, it's
a good strong name for a guide dog, implying that he is trusty and
dependable, and a great lead dog.

Best,
Ann & Panda

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Belto is a very interesting name as the Anchorage Downtown Rotary had named
a dog they had sponsored as Balto. That was the name to the lead dog in the
race to Nome during the early 1900's to get diphtheria vaccines to Nome from
Fairbanks. Later, that became the basis for the Iditarod which now is a sled
dog race form Anchorage to Nome.

The Anchorage Rotary however named this dog for the Guide Dog Foundation.


> On 7/6/2017 10:21 AM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
> I am not sure who named him, but we think that it was supposed to be 
> Balto, but somewhere it was misspelled, and thus Belto is what his name
came to be.
> Jordan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Carcione via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:01 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Tracy Carcione
> Subject: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
> 
> Hi Jordan.
> 
> I'm curious about Belto's name.  It was my understanding that Leader 
> leaves the dog's name to the raiser family, so they often have regular 
> dog names like Max or Shadow.  So did Belto's family choose his name?  
> And did they tell you why?  Or does Leader make up names now?  Just 
> sounds like a name with a story.
> 
> 
> 
> If anyone is interested, Krokus is named for Dick Krokus, director of 
> training at TSE for years a while back.  Everyone on the TSE staff 
> who'd known Mr. Krokus told me I would have a special boy, because he 
> has a special name.  I'm not so sure about that, but my Krokus has a 
> mischievous sense of humor, and I gather Mr. Krokus did, too.
> 
> Tracy
> 
> 
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:08:32 -0500
From: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
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Aww Tracy, that's such a beautiful story! 
When I got Soleil she was a little over 2. She was the mom dog in a backyard breeding situation and was rescued by my vet when the owner went to prison.  Her name was Solo. I thought that was so sad because she was solo alone in the yard except for when she had pups. So when I adopted her I would call her name and Laveau would come running? I guess Laveau sounds like Solo? That o sound... So I changed her name to Soleil, which is french for Sunshine because she's so so sun-shiney. She's like the happiest and most loving dog I have ever met.   And the last l is silent so it's said like so lay. . 


Rox and the kitchen Bitches: 
Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
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> On Jul 6, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Interesting stories!
> 
> One of my GDB dogs was named Amba.  She was donated, and her breeders got to
> pick her name.  Their name was Anderson, so the name had to start with A.
> They chose the name Amba, which is a Hindu name for the Great Mother
> Goddess.  It suited her absolutely.  She was a queen, and a mother-type,
> strong and loving.  I've always felt she came to me from the Goddess to help
> me when I needed her most.
> Tracy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Ota via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 2:40 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Charlene Ota
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dog Names
> 
> My boy's name is Irish and I've always thought that was an interesting name
> for him since he was born, raised and trained at Guide Dogs Victoria i
> Australia. At the school, they thought thtat was such a great name, too. As
> a fundraiser kind of thing, people buy opportunities to name litters of
> puppies and are put in a drawing.  Somebody got Irish's litter, and he was a
> single puppy, had no siblings. For some reason, he was kind of a special dog
> to a lot of his trainer and the kennel staff and he got many hugs when we
> were ready to return to Hawaii.
> 
> Charlene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nancy VanderBrink
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:31 PM
> To: Nancy VanderBrink via Nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Nancy VanderBrink <vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Dog Names
> 
> While on the subject I'd be curious to know the stories behind your dogs'
> names.
> I'll start with mine, Doc - male black lab from Southeastern, named in honor
> of a doctor in Florida who served for several years & loved black labs.  His
> puppy raisers were also his donors so not only did they get to raise him,
> but name him too!
> My first guide who passed almost three years ago named Cole, he was a yellow
> lab I believe he was named either for or in honor of a child who passed, I'm
> not sure.
> 
> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
> voice dictation Nancy Irwin
> 
> 
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:25:58 -0800
From: Bryan Gearry <bgearry at alaskafrontier.net>
To: Ann Edie <Annedie at nycap.rr.com>,    "'NAGDU Mailing List, the
   National Association of Guide Dog Users'"    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
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wonderful! Keep that thought about your guide!


> On 7/6/2017 3:04 PM, Ann Edie wrote:
> Hi, Bryan, Tracy, Jordan, and All,
> 
> There is a book about the dog Bryan described whose run carrying medicine to
> the people of Nome inspired the Iditarod sled dog race. I can't remember the
> exact title of the book, but it is a small book for kids and it is available
> in Braille from Seedlings Braille Books for Children. (I haven't checked to
> see if it is available anywhere else in other formats.) The name of the dog
> used in the book is "Belto", so I guess there must be some ambiguity about
> whether "Belto" or "Balto" is the correct spelling of the name. Anyway, it's
> a good strong name for a guide dog, implying that he is trusty and
> dependable, and a great lead dog.
> 
> Best,
> Ann & Panda
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Gearry via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 1:28 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Bryan Gearry
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
> 
> Belto is a very interesting name as the Anchorage Downtown Rotary had named
> a dog they had sponsored as Balto. That was the name to the lead dog in the
> race to Nome during the early 1900's to get diphtheria vaccines to Nome from
> Fairbanks. Later, that became the basis for the Iditarod which now is a sled
> dog race form Anchorage to Nome.
> 
> The Anchorage Rotary however named this dog for the Guide Dog Foundation.
> 
> 
>> On 7/6/2017 10:21 AM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>> I am not sure who named him, but we think that it was supposed to be
>> Balto, but somewhere it was misspelled, and thus Belto is what his name
> came to be.
>> Jordan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>> Carcione via NAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:01 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
>> 
>> Hi Jordan.
>> 
>> I'm curious about Belto's name.  It was my understanding that Leader
>> leaves the dog's name to the raiser family, so they often have regular
>> dog names like Max or Shadow.  So did Belto's family choose his name?
>> And did they tell you why?  Or does Leader make up names now?  Just
>> sounds like a name with a story.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If anyone is interested, Krokus is named for Dick Krokus, director of
>> training at TSE for years a while back.  Everyone on the TSE staff
>> who'd known Mr. Krokus told me I would have a special boy, because he
>> has a special name.  I'm not so sure about that, but my Krokus has a
>> mischievous sense of humor, and I gather Mr. Krokus did, too.
>> 
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:53:10 -0500
From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
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Quite interesting, and well, the name certainly does fit because he
definitely gets the job done no matter what.
Jordan

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Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 6:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name

wonderful! Keep that thought about your guide!


> On 7/6/2017 3:04 PM, Ann Edie wrote:
> Hi, Bryan, Tracy, Jordan, and All,
> 
> There is a book about the dog Bryan described whose run carrying 
> medicine to the people of Nome inspired the Iditarod sled dog race. I 
> can't remember the exact title of the book, but it is a small book for 
> kids and it is available in Braille from Seedlings Braille Books for 
> Children. (I haven't checked to see if it is available anywhere else 
> in other formats.) The name of the dog used in the book is "Belto", so 
> I guess there must be some ambiguity about whether "Belto" or "Balto" 
> is the correct spelling of the name. Anyway, it's a good strong name 
> for a guide dog, implying that he is trusty and dependable, and a great
lead dog.
> 
> Best,
> Ann & Panda
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan 
> Gearry via NAGDU
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 1:28 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Bryan Gearry
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
> 
> Belto is a very interesting name as the Anchorage Downtown Rotary had 
> named a dog they had sponsored as Balto. That was the name to the lead 
> dog in the race to Nome during the early 1900's to get diphtheria 
> vaccines to Nome from Fairbanks. Later, that became the basis for the 
> Iditarod which now is a sled dog race form Anchorage to Nome.
> 
> The Anchorage Rotary however named this dog for the Guide Dog Foundation.
> 
> 
>> On 7/6/2017 10:21 AM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>> I am not sure who named him, but we think that it was supposed to be 
>> Balto, but somewhere it was misspelled, and thus Belto is what his 
>> name
> came to be.
>> Jordan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy 
>> Carcione via NAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:01 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Belto, dog name
>> 
>> Hi Jordan.
>> 
>> I'm curious about Belto's name.  It was my understanding that Leader 
>> leaves the dog's name to the raiser family, so they often have 
>> regular dog names like Max or Shadow.  So did Belto's family choose his
name?
>> And did they tell you why?  Or does Leader make up names now?  Just 
>> sounds like a name with a story.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If anyone is interested, Krokus is named for Dick Krokus, director of 
>> training at TSE for years a while back.  Everyone on the TSE staff 
>> who'd known Mr. Krokus told me I would have a special boy, because he 
>> has a special name.  I'm not so sure about that, but my Krokus has a 
>> mischievous sense of humor, and I gather Mr. Krokus did, too.
>> 
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 17:20:49 -0700
From: Michael Forzano <michaeldforzano at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Procedures and paperwork that we need to travel
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Hi Peter,

Thanks for posting this. I just returned from two EU trips where I
chose not to bring my dog, mainly because I didn't really investigate
the paperwork that was needed and was concerned about access issues.
It would have been really helpful to have her, so it's good to know
this is doable for next time. How did you manage parking your dog
while traveling? I noticed that a lot of the airports in the EU
(Amsterdam, Paris, Rome etc.) are pretty large. I suppose I would just
need to ensure enough time during layovers, as I could see it taking a
while to find a place, then go back through security again for my next
flight.

Mike

> On 7/6/17, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thanks Peter, that's very helpful.
> The USDA guidance, and the official vet, say that overnight, tracked
> delivery,  to the USDA office is fine, no physical visit required.  Which
> is
> good, since it's about a 5-hour train trip each way.
> Tracy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wolf via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 11:30 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Peter Wolf
> Subject: [NAGDU] Procedures and paperwork that we need to travel to the
> E.U.
> 
> Hey Tracy.here's my cue.
> 
> For any of you traveling to E.U., we've just returned from a 3 week trip.
> We're fresh on the procedure.
> 
> Here is what you need.
> 
> Step one:   A vet health checkup.  Check with the vet whether the exam for
> health cert has to currently be within 30 days or 10 days of departure.  It
> is usually likely 10 days before leaving.
> 
> This can't be just any vet.  It has to be with a vet who is certified by
> USDA to do the checkup according to their standards and fill out their
> specific paperwork.  They are called a "USDA certified vet".  So check with
> your clinic to make sure of the vet you see has this certification, or
> you'll have to be referred to a clinic who has one on staff.
> 
> Step two:  This vet should provide all of the necessary forms.  The
> paperwork is called "3rd party USDA International Health Certificate".  You
> will also hear the term "EU Pet Passport".  That's something else, not for
> us as citizens or people originating travel from the U.S.  It is for EU
> citizens, and can only be produced by a vet in the EU.  If you travel
> frequently, yes, you too can get an EU Pet Passport - but you have to get
> it
> there in the EU from an EU vet.  The only advantage is that the Pet
> Passport
> is good for three months of travel in both directions.  But only if you
> travel often to warrant it, because you have to get it over there, and it
> costs more too.   By the way, even though you have to have your USDA
> departure paperwork certified by USDA within ten days of leaving, it is
> good
> for three months for returning to the U.S.
> 
> Ok, back to us.   If you still want your vet to do the certificate, and
> they
> won't provide it, then, call your local USDA / APHIS office to see if they
> can get you the forms.   You should question it however, if your vet cannot
> provide the paperwork, because it is about ten pages long, and involved.
> If
> this vet isn't familiar enough to generate a set of paperwork, I would
> suggest seeing a different vet.  They should know how to generate the
> paperwork, because they would have done it often enough to know what they
> are doing.  You don't want clerical mistakes by not getting the right
> thing,
> or losing a part of it, or something missing:  Or when you get to step
> three, which is taking the papers to USDA for "validation", they won't do
> it.
> 
> Also, you should know that different vets charge different fees as they
> wish.  We happen to use a very big vet that is a whole emergency hospital
> with about 15 vets on staff.  They cost more than other vets in the area,
> but we use them because we think they are the best.  They actually told us
> that while they would be happy to do the exam and paperwork, that smaller
> vets could do the exam, and we'd pay less.  But then there's the above, and
> they had all our records on file. You could keep yours in a folder and
> manage them yourself if you want to save the 40 bucks or whatever the
> difference is.
> 
> Step three:  You go online to find a USDA / APHIS office at city near you,
> and book an appointment in advance.  You have to physically go there and
> hand them the paperwork.  They don't take walk ins.  Your paperwork has to
> be certified within ten days of departure.   It's kind of a joke.  You just
> paid a bunch of extra money for a USDA exam with a certified vet.and now
> you
> are going to burn a day taking the certificate to USDA.  A desk vet will be
> there, who will look at your papers, then stamp them as real and valid.
> They don't want you to bring the animal, unless of course you need to work
> with it that day.
> 
> Ok.  What to bring to USDA:
> 
> a) The USDA paperwork above.
> b) At least two copies of a current rabies certificate.
> 
> Now, what else to bring - for the trip overseas itself:
> a) All of the things above.
> b) Also bring a copy of your dog's training certification, or certificate
> of
> graduation, or whatever they provided.  They don't have ADA over there.
> About half of the time, you will be asked for any or all of these
> documents,
> as well as to see the USDA health certificate and/or your your dog's
> training program cert.  Always remember, you keep your documents.  They are
> to show for proof and validation by anyone who asks, but you keep the
> documents!  Sometimes, you won't be asked.  But count on this.  Depending
> on
> which country you enter first from the U.S., they will examine your dog's
> documents thoroughly on entry, or not.  Of course, just like if you put up
> a
> tarp it won't rain. remember if you don't come prepared, you will be
> asked.And when you get back into U.S. Customs, they will definitely look at
> them, probably by a special person in a special room too.  We had this.
> Actually they were quite sweet and we were out of there in minutes.
> 
> Exceptions to the rules:
> First, there are no exceptions.  You have to do these steps.
> 
> Second, there are some additional steps for Sweden, Norway, and any U.K.
> country like England, Scotland, or Ireland.  For them, you must add two
> things.
> 1.  You have to check what they consider to be their definition of
> "current"
> for rabies vaccination.  This is not the same as our "current" definition.
> Many of us know the danger of over-vaccinating.  We personally spend the
> money and do blood immunity titer tests.  Rabies is legally an exception:
> you have to boost every few years even if not actually necessary, even with
> good blood titre antibody counts.  For all of the other shots, we do not
> vaccinate for the anything else unless the blood titer test shows it is
> necessary.  Usually for us, in 7 years, it has been rare since original
> shots that they have needed much.  Ok.  Back to rabies.  Unless you don't
> care how many rabies booster shots your dog gets, you may want to consider
> waiting to travel to one of those specific countries until you are pretty
> freshly due for the normal booster, because they may require a fresh one
> even if you are in the middle of a perfectly good period of time since your
> last regular shot.  Check with USDA to make sure you are within the date
> for
> the country.  They are actually very good about communicating, and they are
> the one place I found where I could get some straight information after
> chasing around the globe trying to reach consulates and bouncing forever.
> 
> 2.  For at least the UK countries, you will also have to have proof of vet
> administering tapeworm treatment within 5 days of entry to the country.  So
> this means you'd time your vet visit.and push your schedule on following it
> up with the USDA visit too.
> 
> 3.  Heartworm, Flea and tick treatment.  There is some discretion here.
> Your vet will either have what you use on record from their having
> prescribed and/or sold it to you, or having actually administered it to the
> animal.  Or like in our case, it may be acceptable since you can buy these
> things anywhere, that you simply tell them that you have been doing it, and
> perhaps, just tell them the last time you treated.  We are both very
> sensitive to chemicals.  And we have read credible things about dog
> sickness
> and deaths, as well as human reactions to "pharma" flea treatments.  So we
> do not let vets or anyone do administering of flea treatments - we manage
> the dogs'  cleanliness, and treatment of fleas ourselves, not only for our
> dogs but also thoroughly on the property as well.  Our vet was happy to
> hear
> that, yes, we had already treated them, and he checked the box.  Don't be
> afraid to be proactive.  For us, that would have also meant not letting the
> vet do an administration of flea treatment during the visit to effectively
> double what we had going.  Read this intelligently.
> 
> As an aside, even though vets don't make money on this and don't think it
> credible, we have measurable success adding nutritional yeast and fresh
> squeezed garlic to our dogs' dry food.  I'm not a vet and am not offering
> advice.  This is what we do at my house.  We don't have fleas.  We use
> tablespoons of yeast to a big tupperware container, and only one clove of
> squeezed garlic at most, to not upset stomachs.  That's our house.  And we
> love dusting diatomaceous earth on occasion when needed, with a respirator,
> and vacuuming the next day.don't breathe it!
> 
> Ok what else?  A little bit of what we discovered here.
> 
> In the E.U., please expect, to have to explain that your dog is a vision or
> medical working dog, who assists you.  It is not as well known as you might
> think.  We could not figure out if it was law, or not, or that it's just an
> older culture with more people who have had more experience being a
> civilization and have better listening ability and common sense.But with a
> quick, polite, clear and effective explanation what the dog is for, almost
> everyone turned on a dime and accepted the dogs and it was ok.
> 
> OK let's talk about hotels and places.  Many, many are billed as pet
> friendly.  There were situation where we stayed in places that weren't pet
> friendly.  But we called or emailed in advance, and discussed with the
> owner
> exactly how what the dogs were trained for, what they do for us, and how
> professionally they behave and handle cleanliness.  And they said ok, come,
> then were welcoming.  Regardless, you will almost always be charged a
> cleaning fee per dog, per whole stay in a hotel.  Not per day, but per
> stay.
> It's just their way there.  Hey, five to twenty bucks or so, a one-timer,
> on
> top of your hotel fees.  That's dog cleaning fee, not deposit.  Just how it
> is.
> 
> Note for hotels, but also other places, that if you get along, and
> especially try to be a good friendly guest and especially try to speak
> their
> language even a little, it is extremely helpful.  In other words, don't be
> defensive or forceful, but human and informational.  Or.don't be entitled
> as
> if you can depend on an ADA assurance, like some do in the U.S. because
> they
> know they are backed by law, or be the "Ugly American".  You may discover
> in
> the end that you feel more welcome, and also that sometimes your cleaning
> charge didn't happen.  In my case, I learned, and even had someone write
> out
> for me in a pocket note, that I was severely vision impaired, and that my
> dog was specially professionally trained to help me walk in ways that I
> cannot see well.  Only when I couldn't speak French well enough with
> someone
> who had the particular personality of a "rules boy" or "rules girl", did I
> ever have to pull it out.  It was almost always graceful.  The only time I
> had trouble, it was late, I arrived in a super hot village.  The woman
> running the hotel was kind of nazi, and said, NO!  After three rounds of
> communication, I finally went next door and got a shop keeper who spoke a
> little English to help translate.  Then she got it, and said ok.  But the
> room was an oven.she gladly didn't charge the reservation, and I found a
> four star camping place for no money, with a restaurant, pool, showers, and
> made friends with a fantastic couple over dinner.  Slept on a few blankets
> and roughed it, Metukah on leash beside me for the night, a first time
> adventure for both!  Those places are everywhere in the country, five
> minutes out of town everywhere.  Stay open to adventure folks!
> 
> I hope this writing helps you guys, who are trying to research how to get
> to
> the E.U.  I went through hell trying to find out.  So it's a presentation
> of
> what I learned, a statement that it worked, and passing on the experience
> of
> success over there.  We're just back a couple of weeks.  It was, by the
> way,
> to France, Amsterdam and Belgium.  I understand they are really cool in
> Germany.  Wherever we went, they were a serious dog loving culture, and not
> nearly uptight like in the U.S., generally.
> 
> Oh, and sorry, but everyone is going to just coo, and stop to look and or
> talk to you, and reach right out and love your dog.  It's just their
> culture.deal with it!  I handled this as I do at home when I have an
> uncontrollable "incoming" - the thing to do is make a command called
> "visit!", or "greet!"  Then, you don't have to worry about people stripping
> your dog's gears.  I caught someone reaching in and did this at LAX just
> this afternoon!  It's a lot quicker than waiting for someone to register
> "oh, wait, no, don't, working dog, please ignore her".  In fact, you might
> be surprised not there, but in the U.S., that commanding your dog to greet
> someone as they reach actually gets their attention, and they pause in
> their
> reach!
> 
> Feel free to write if you have questions.
> 
> Cheers, and bon voyage!
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 11:51:43 -0400
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
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>> Subject: [NAGDU] EU health certificate
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>> Were do I get the actual form to fill out for the EU health
>> certificate?  I asked my vet, and they expect me to bring the form
>> with me.  I see tons of guidance on the USDA site, but can't find a link
> to the actual form.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:42:29 -0500
>> From: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [NAGDU] Field Reps
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>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
> crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only advice my
> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
> plain don't do them since they can be difficult.  Slidell is one of those
> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
> them just fine most of the time.  Any advice on what I should do besides
> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What should I do
> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>> Thanks,
>> Jordan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 21:48:13 +0000
>> From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
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>> Hey Jordan.
>> If you're not being taken seriously by your field representative, you
>> may want to consider switching schools.
>> Just my thoughts.
>> Chantel.
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:43 PM Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>>> crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only
>>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>>> time.  Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What
>>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:53:50 -0500
>> From: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <094C23C8-9059-4AD1-A1A6-6E9C39463A92 at nfbtx.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190
>> or (832) 779-7477
>> 
>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>> "Live the life you want!"
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
> crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only advice my
> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
> plain don't do them since they can be difficult.  Slidell is one of those
> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
> them just fine most of the time.  Any advice on what I should do besides
> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What should I do
> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> hello there, I can't speak for other schools, but the field reps from where
> I've gotten my dogs are top notch. I suppose you could always try
> contacting
> your school and possibly seeing if another field rep could make a visit.
> Maybe that is the possible solution. Good luck.
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 17:01:56 -0500
>> From: Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <1628cbf0-9cbe-e858-3ada-8e152c6ad61f at nfbtx.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Apparently today is the day for my technology to be failing me; as my
>> earlier message to the list was blank. What that message said, was I
>> can't speak for other schools, but the field reps from my school are
>> top notch. You might contact your school to see if another rep could come
>> out. Hope this helps. Happy 4           to everyone.
>> 
>> Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
>> President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter Voice and Text: (346) 704-0190
>> or (832) 779-7477
>> 
>> "A question never asked is an answer never known"
>> "Live the life you want!"
>> 
>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
> crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only advice my
> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
> plain don't do them since they can be difficult.  Slidell is one of those
> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
> them just fine most of the time.  Any advice on what I should do besides
> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What should I do
> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 17:45:56 -0500
>> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <e38e6868-47fa-9efd-0ef2-e8959488b0f0 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person?  I'm
>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
> Earth?
>> 
>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some more
>> ideas.  Or help you with other ideas.  But if they don't know the
>> first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>> 
>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor?  If you
>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>> 
>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>> this a new thing?  Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>> definitely influence the feel.  Other than that I can't think of
>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>> 
>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
> crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only advice my
> field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in this town is just
> plain don't do them since they can be difficult.  Slidell is one of those
> towns where if I don't cross those crossings, which even though they can be
> difficult and Belto sometimes has difficulties at these, crossings, he does
> them just fine most of the time.  Any advice on what I should do besides
> ignoring the field rep, which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly, and
> thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What should I do
> since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>> .com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:52:20 -0500
>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <02f501d2f470$8e9d1760$abd74620$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII"
>> 
>> No, we were just talking about it on the phone.  I am definitely going
>> to be getting on this more after the convention if I don't hear
>> anything by the end of the month that is for sure.  The problem with
>> the harness is that if the handle slides forward, it just plain gets
>> stuck.  I have a feeling something got bent the last time I flew and
>> had it in the overhead bin because it was working fine up until I came
> back from my last trip.
>> Jordan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>> Johnson via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:46 PM
>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> 
>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person?  I'm
>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
> Earth?
>> 
>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some more
>> ideas.  Or help you with other ideas.  But if they don't know the
>> first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>> 
>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor?  If you
>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>> 
>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>> this a new thing?  Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>> definitely influence the feel.  Other than that I can't think of
>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>> 
>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>> crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only
>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>> time.  Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What
>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> ail.co
>> m
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:57:02 -0500
>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <02f701d2f471$36cb9880$a462c980$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII"
>> 
>> Trust me, I have already considered that since he would not take me
>> seriously about Belto's behavior around other dogs including ones we
>> encountered during class.  I have to give a big thanks to people on
>> this list who suggested the pinch collar because it put an end to that
>> issue which makes me happy because last thing I wanted to do was send
>> the dog back especially Belto who works really well especially today
>> when it was quite hot, and he kept right on going.
>> Jordan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chantel
>> Cuddemi via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 4:48 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Chantel Cuddemi
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> 
>> Hey Jordan.
>> If you're not being taken seriously by your field representative, you
>> may want to consider switching schools.
>> Just my thoughts.
>> Chantel.
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:43 PM Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>>> crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only
>>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>>> time.  Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
>> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What
>>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> ail.co
>> m
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 22:20:22 -0500
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <014101d2f474$796e9680$6c4bc380$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> I sure wouldn't wait until the end of the month. I would get in touch
>> with them regularly, on a daily basis, and go up the chain of command
>> rather quickly.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
>> Gallacher via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:52 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> 
>> No, we were just talking about it on the phone.  I am definitely going
>> to be getting on this more after the convention if I don't hear
>> anything by the end of the month that is for sure.  The problem with
>> the harness is that if the handle slides forward, it just plain gets
>> stuck.  I have a feeling something got bent the last time I flew and
>> had it in the overhead bin because it was working fine up until I came
> back from my last trip.
>> Jordan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>> Johnson via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:46 PM
>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> 
>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person?  I'm
>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using Google
> Earth?
>> 
>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some more
>> ideas.  Or help you with other ideas.  But if they don't know the
>> first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>> 
>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor?  If you
>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>> 
>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>> this a new thing?  Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>> definitely influence the feel.  Other than that I can't think of
>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>> 
>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>> crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only
>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>> time.  Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What
>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NAGDU mailing list
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>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> NAGDU:
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>>> com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> m
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 23:57:41 -0500
>> From: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>> Message-ID: <BB44C638-AE77-450D-9195-46F711A5A184 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> I wish I had that kind of time to do that to be honest.  I am quite busy
> between now and leaving for convention.
>> Jordan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:20 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I sure wouldn't wait until the end of the month. I would get in touch
>>> with them regularly, on a daily basis, and go up the chain of command
>>> rather quickly.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
>>> Gallacher via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:52 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>> 
>>> No, we were just talking about it on the phone.  I am definitely
>>> going to be getting on this more after the convention if I don't hear
>>> anything by the end of the month that is for sure.  The problem with
>>> the harness is that if the handle slides forward, it just plain gets
>>> stuck.  I have a feeling something got bent the last time I flew and
>>> had it in the overhead bin because it was working fine up until I came
> back from my last trip.
>>> Jordan
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>>> Johnson via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 5:46 PM
>>> To: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Field Reps
>>> 
>>> Was your field rep in your town working with you in person?  I'm
>>> confused about the part about giving advice on street crossings
>>> without having seen the intersection. Could he/she have been using
>>> Google
> Earth?
>>> 
>>> Did you explain that the help provided wasn't really helpful? Perhaps
>>> they could consult with a colleague and get back to you with some
>>> more ideas.  Or help you with other ideas.  But if they don't know
>>> the first ideas weren't helpful, it's doubtful they'd offer others.
>>> 
>>> What about calling the program to speak with the supervisor?  If you
>>> feel you've done all you can and the situation still isn't resolved,
>>> then perhaps the next step is moving up the ladder.
>>> 
>>> What is wrong with your harness that you can't properly follow? Is
>>> this a new thing?  Did the dog's pace or pull change, that can
>>> definitely influence the feel.  Other than that I can't think of
>>> anything, short of a broken part on the harness.
>>> 
>>> I hope you can get it resolved.
>>> Julie
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 7/3/2017 4:42 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> Anyone else notice that field reps are not as good as they used to be?
>>> Also, has anyone else notice that they try to give advice about steer
>>> crossings for which they have never seen?  For example, the only
>>> advice my field rep is giving me about a couple street crossings in
>>> this town is just plain don't do them since they can be difficult.
>>> Slidell is one of those towns where if I don't cross those crossings,
>>> which even though they can be difficult and Belto sometimes has
>>> difficulties at these, crossings, he does them just fine most of the
>>> time.  Any advice on what I should do besides ignoring the field rep,
> which is kind of what I am going to have to do.
>>> Another problem is that Belto's harness is not functioning properly,
>>> and thus I am having a hard time telling what he is doing.  What
>>> should I do since I am not being taken seriously about that?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jordan
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NAGDU mailing list
>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>> for
>>> NAGDU:
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>>>> com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 21:14:05 -0700
From: Yohei Iwasaki <visionary.robot at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
   <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog
Message-ID:
   <CAFFMSGTPVSw985PfZnEBbc3DWPZ7aXF4Fh3H=aaavmg86xbw=g at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Hello all,

I am considering starting up a company to provide robots that function as
guide dog for in-door situations.

I would greatly appreciate a chance to speak with you to understand your
perspectives and needs so that the robots could address some of the highest
needs. Could you write back to me if you are willing to speak with me via
call for twenty minutes? I promise that I will not try to sell anything to
you. I just wish to truly understand what are some of the highest needs you
have in your daily life.

To introduce myself, I am an entrepreneur passionate about making social
impact. I founded and worked on multiple startups including one that
addresses global water and food shortage issues. All my startups have
raised at least multiple million dollars from institutional investors, made
social impact, and are alive and active today.

I was introduced to this list from a blind student at Stanford University.
I recently signed up to this list and have greatly appreciated all
conversations as it helps me to understand the need and perspectives.

Because of my private situations and nature of any mailing list, I wish to
explain the current concept and identify my full name and contact details
in response to your email. I apologize if this is viewed as inappropriate
by any of you.

Best regards,


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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 06:37:57 -0400
From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
   Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog
Message-ID: <047a01d2f70d$1964aef0$4c2e0cd0$@earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

My name is Howard and I have a guide dog, please send me your phone number
so we can talk, I have 
bsee would like to talk. wb2hww at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Yohei Iwasaki via
NAGDU
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 12:14 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Yohei Iwasaki
Subject: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog

Hello all,

I am considering starting up a company to provide robots that function as
guide dog for in-door situations.

I would greatly appreciate a chance to speak with you to understand your
perspectives and needs so that the robots could address some of the highest
needs. Could you write back to me if you are willing to speak with me via
call for twenty minutes? I promise that I will not try to sell anything to
you. I just wish to truly understand what are some of the highest needs you
have in your daily life.

To introduce myself, I am an entrepreneur passionate about making social
impact. I founded and worked on multiple startups including one that
addresses global water and food shortage issues. All my startups have raised
at least multiple million dollars from institutional investors, made social
impact, and are alive and active today.

I was introduced to this list from a blind student at Stanford University.
I recently signed up to this list and have greatly appreciated all
conversations as it helps me to understand the need and perspectives.

Because of my private situations and nature of any mailing list, I wish to
explain the current concept and identify my full name and contact details in
response to your email. I apologize if this is viewed as inappropriate by
any of you.

Best regards,
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 06:52:42 -0400
From: "Andy B." <sonfire11 at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
   Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog
Message-ID: <014801d2f70f$28e93d30$7abbb790$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

Since you are talking about robots, this subject might be best for the NFB
CS list. I don't see a need for 'guiding robots' for inside a building and a
guide dog that works both inside and outside. Call me skeptical, but the
brain of humans and most animals such as dogs can do much better at
processing information, formulas, complex logic structures, and the like. I
understand that technology and Big Data is more reliable than before.
However, robots seem to have a problem integrating into the human lifestyle.
There will always be some distrust and social distance between a living
creature and a robot.
-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Howard J. Levine
via NAGDU
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 6:38 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog

My name is Howard and I have a guide dog, please send me your phone number
so we can talk, I have bsee would like to talk. wb2hww at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Yohei Iwasaki via
NAGDU
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 12:14 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Yohei Iwasaki
Subject: [NAGDU] Robot to function as guide dog

Hello all,

I am considering starting up a company to provide robots that function as
guide dog for in-door situations.

I would greatly appreciate a chance to speak with you to understand your
perspectives and needs so that the robots could address some of the highest
needs. Could you write back to me if you are willing to speak with me via
call for twenty minutes? I promise that I will not try to sell anything to
you. I just wish to truly understand what are some of the highest needs you
have in your daily life.

To introduce myself, I am an entrepreneur passionate about making social
impact. I founded and worked on multiple startups including one that
addresses global water and food shortage issues. All my startups have raised
at least multiple million dollars from institutional investors, made social
impact, and are alive and active today.

I was introduced to this list from a blind student at Stanford University.
I recently signed up to this list and have greatly appreciated all
conversations as it helps me to understand the need and perspectives.

Because of my private situations and nature of any mailing list, I wish to
explain the current concept and identify my full name and contact details in
response to your email. I apologize if this is viewed as inappropriate by
any of you.

Best regards,
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