[NAGDU] Next Steps regarding Emotional Support Dog attack on delta.

Wed Jun 14 15:33:03 UTC 2017

Hi. All.
I question how %many of these animals are actually are for emotional support animals.  I am sure they can be faked like service anemals.  

Best regards,
Melissa R. Green

----- Original Message -----
From: Danielle Sykora via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Date: 06/14/2017 9:10 am
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Next Steps regarding Emotional Support Dog attack on delta.

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> Another potential option would be to limit ESAs on aircraft to dogs
> (or animals) that are small enough to fit in carriers under a seat.
> This way, people who travel by air frequently that benefit from the
> presents of an ESA could still theoretically do so, but the animal
> could be safely confined should it become overly stressed, excited, or
> aggressive.
> 
> I am by no means saying that a service animal could never cause a
> disruption, but ESAs by their very nature simply do not generally have
> the training or socialization that service animals do. Service animals
> who are out in public frequently develop the socialization to handle
> most environments without stress, and the coping skills to handle
> stress when it does occur. They also of course have the training
> requirement to not be disruptive. Although air travel is different in
> some ways from other public spaces, a dog that can handle being in a
> crowded mall, grocery store, restaurant etc. should be able to handle
> air travel. ESAs can not be in public places, and therefore generally
> are going to be expected to handle so many new situations all at once
> when traveling by air.
> 
> At the same time however, there are people who genuinely benefit from
> the presence of an ESA and will handle their dog appropriately. This
> could possibly be a way to still allow these people to benefit from
> their animal. I'm not saying this is the right solution, but maybe
> something along these lines would work. I am inclined to say there is
> no need for ESAs under the ACAA, but then again I also know some
> people who truly benefit from the presence of an ESA.
> 
> Judging by the last attempted negociations of changes to the ACAA,
> proposing a solution to limit situations such as these without
> imposing a burden on service dog handlers is going to be difficult, so
> I think it is important to think through any potential changes.
> 
> Danielle and Thai
> 
> On 6/14/17, Stacie Hardy - NFBHOU via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I think this would be a great topic. I think educating others will be
> > forever ongoing.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Stacie Hardy <shardy at nfbtx.org>
> > President: NFB of Texas Houston Chapter
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> >
> > "A question never asked is an answer never known"
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> >
> >
> >> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> This isn't really about Delta, as I think others have said. It is about a
> >> problem that might occur on any airline and did occur there. I once argued
> >> with them because they wanted to give me a special pass for my emotional
> >> support dog. I pointed out that he wasn't one, but they insisted that they
> >> needed to make me a special pass anyway. But this has only happened once.
> >> I think we need to continue to call airlines out as they do these things,
> >> but the stuff seems so strangely inconsistent. It also seems to be getting
> >> worse, note the situation on American, I think it was, and not only with
> >> dogs.
> >>
> >> Educating gets old, yet we seem called upon to do it and also to speak out
> >> regarding such events as happened on that Delta flight. We can't just
> >> complain because emotional support dogs are going to make it harder for
> >> us; we need to do something about it. Do we want a resolution? Should the
> >> members visit about it at the NAGDU Meeting? What does anyone think about
> >> next steps.
> >>
> >> Cindy Lou Ray
> >> cindyray at gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David via NAGDU
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 7:11 AM
> >> To: Heather Bird via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: David <david at bakerinet.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Emotional Support Dog attack on delta.
> >>
> >> I, too, share your involvement with several other listservs.  I have
> >> searched and found no guide dog access issue reports involving Delta.
> >> Would you mind sending references to a couple? or sharing the report you
> >> filed on what happened to you on Delta?
> >>
> >> ininDavid and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL* *david at bakerinet.com
> >>
> >> *
> >>> On 6/14/2017 7:49 AM, Heather Bird via NAGDU wrote:
> >>>    I am speaking generally based on all of the articles I come across
> >>> regarding access issues from the various airlines. There are some that
> >>> seem to have more than Delta, American Airlines for instance, and some
> >>> that are relatively good, that have very few, South West for instance.
> >>> Delta is not the worst, but they do have quite a fair percentage. One
> >>> thing we have to bear in mind in order to be fair is the size of the
> >>> airline as well. Delta is pretty big and well-known. If a really big
> >>> airline has 10 articles about access issues that I come across in the
> >>> year, this might be the same thing as a very small airline having two
> >>> incidents in that same year. I have had minor incidents on Delta and
> >>> once on Jet Blue. I am on this NAGDU list, plus the Seeing Eye mailing
> >>> list and the GDUI list, and in the past I have been on mailing lists
> >>> for other schools from which I have dogs. Also, Jim and I have no
> >>> lives and we often search google and or YouTube for access issues, so
> >>> we see a large number of media stories regarding access issues,
> >>> including those on airlines. I have not made out graphs and charts and
> >>> plotted every single incident in a scientific method to see which
> >>> airlines are the worst offenders. I just know that I have seen a
> >>> goodly number over the years, from Delta, especially with non guide
> >>> dog service dogs. Jim had a run-in with Delta that was moderately bad,
> >>> although most of his run-ins have been with airport personally. I hope
> >>> that helps to clarify.
> >>>
> >>> Heather Bird
> >>> "They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I
> >>> wasn't a Communist.
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> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David via
> >>> NAGDU
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:12 PM
> >>> To: Heather Bird via NAGDU
> >>> Cc: David
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Emotional Support Dog attack on delta.
> >>>
> >>> I have had wonderful treatment on my Delta flights and I am unaware of
> >>> Delta offenses related to service dog use.
> >>>
> >>> Could you provide further explanation regarding this comment, or the
> >>> reason you made it, Heather?
> >>>
> >>> ininDavid and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL* *david at bakerinet.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>> On 6/13/2017 9:34 PM, Heather Bird via NAGDU wrote:
> >>>> Delta is already one of the worst offenders for access issues related
> >>>> to
> >>> service dog use.
> >>>
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