[NAGDU] Fourth of fJuly

Elise Berkley bravaegf at hotmail.com
Tue Jun 20 04:42:24 UTC 2017


Hello, Charlene.

Thank you for that.  heard about medication from the vet, and I thought about it. They are doing sampler fireworks already, and I will see how she does with the little ones. If she gets toohato visit the vet. Thanks for your suggestion.

Elise and Becky


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Criminal background check (Tracy Carcione)
   2. Re: Criminal background check (Cindy Ray)
   3. LED lights for gude dog harness (Jameyanne Fuller)
   4. Re: LED lights for gude dog harness (Cindy Ray)
   5. Re: LED lights for gude dog harness (Buddy Brannan)
   6. Re: LED lights for gude dog harness (Jameyanne Fuller)
   7. Re: LED lights for gude dog harness (Cindy Ray)
   8. Re: LED lights for gude dog harness (David)
   9. Re: LED lights for gude dog harness (David)
  10. Fourth of July (Elise Berkley)
  11. Re: LED lights for gude dog harness (Julie Johnson)
  12. Re: Criminal background check (S L Johnson)
  13. Freedom Guide Dogs (Miranda)
  14. Re: Freedom Guide Dogs (Michael Hingson)
  15. Re: Criminal background check (NAGDU President)
  16. Re: Criminal background check (Tracy Carcione)
  17. how to find the best bet? (Gary Steeves)
  18. Re: LED lights for gude dog harness (Jameyanne Fuller)
  19. Re: Criminal background check (Star Gazer)
  20. Re: LED lights for gude dog harness (Jordan Gallacher)
  21. Re: Freedom Guide Dogs (NAGDU President)
  22. Re: Criminal background check (NAGDU President)
  23. Re: Criminal background check (NAGDU President)
  24. Re: Criminal background check (NAGDU President)
  25. Re: Freedom Guide Dogs (Heather Bird)
  26. Re: Freedom Guide Dogs (Cindy Ray)
  27. Re: Opinion on SEGD Mental Illness Policy (NAGDU President)
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  29. Julie: Please call me! was Guide dog accessories (NAGDU President)
  30. Re: Freedom Guide Dogs (Dan Weiner)
  31. Re: Fourth of July (Charlene Ota)
  32. Re: Freedom Guide Dogs (NAGDU President)
  33. Re: Freedom Guide Dogs (Buddy Brannan)
  34. Re: Freedom Guide Dogs (Charlene Ota)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 09:32:26 -0400
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
        <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check
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Fidelco is different from many programs in that the trainer works with the
client in the client's home area.  They told my friend a trainer had been
threatened and intimidated by a client's family member, so they came up
with this policy.
That doesn't make sense to me.  I wouldn't think a background check on me
would turn up problems with my family.  Maybe it would show if the police
had been called to my house, but I'm not even sure about that.
Tracy

> I don't know, guys,is it really necessary, I mean, unless a school can
> tell me or convince me that they've had problem with people with
> criminal records in enough cases that this is warranted, I would be very
> hesitant to just buy in to that type of reasoning.
>
> So let's see, all  do you need a criminal background check to receive
> services for the blind? What about other comparable services, yes I
> know, it all boils down to the argument about what you're allowed to ask
> if you are providing a service and ultimately it comes back to the same
> type of arguments we hear about ownership, to give ownership or not to
> give ownership.  If it were up to me, NAGDU and GDUI would be asking
> Fidelco why this is so necessary.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/18/2017 10:08 PM, Alana Leonhardy via NAGDU wrote:
>> Hi, all,
>> First off, if a school is going to require a background check, they
>> absolutely need to use a fully accessible website.
>> On the issue itself, I think background checks are fine for a couple of
>> reasons. I agree with some previous posters that having a criminal
>> record should not automatically disqualify someone from being accepted
>> to training...and if that's how some schools are doing things, then
>> that's a big problem. I think that, with some acceptions for various
>> serious crimes, things need to be looked at on a case by case basis.
>> That being said, the safety of the dog isn't the only thing that needs
>> to be taken in to account. There are also the other student's to
>> consider. For example, a person convicted of rape may be a fine dog
>> handler, but it wouldn't be fair to potentially put the other students
>> in danger regardless of how well that person may be able to work a guide
>> dog.
>> Alana
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 07:03, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A friend of mine is applying to Fidelco, and he had to undergo a
>>> criminal
>>> background check as part of the application process.  Fidelco told him
>>> the
>>> IGDF is recommending that all schools add the check.  He also said the
>>> website Fidelco used for his part of the check wasn't really
>>> accessible, and
>>> he had to have a sighted person fill out the form for him.
>>>
>>> Just thought I'd share.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 08:53:13 -0500
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check
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,that doe/n't make sense to me either that they would do a criminal
background ceeck on the trainees because of the possibility of problems by
other members of the family.
Cindy Ray
cindyray at gmail.com


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From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
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Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 8:32 AM
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Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check

Fidelco is different from many programs in that the trainer works with the
client in the client's home area.  They told my friend a trainer had been
threatened and intimidated by a client's family member, so they came up with
this policy.
That doesn't make sense to me.  I wouldn't think a background check on me
would turn up problems with my family.  Maybe it would show if the police
had been called to my house, but I'm not even sure about that.
Tracy

> I don't know, guys,is it really necessary, I mean, unless a school can
> tell me or convince me that they've had problem with people with
> criminal records in enough cases that this is warranted, I would be
> very hesitant to just buy in to that type of reasoning.
>
> So let's see, all  do you need a criminal background check to receive
> services for the blind? What about other comparable services, yes I
> know, it all boils down to the argument about what you're allowed to
> ask if you are providing a service and ultimately it comes back to the
> same type of arguments we hear about ownership, to give ownership or
> not to give ownership.  If it were up to me, NAGDU and GDUI would be
> asking Fidelco why this is so necessary.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/18/2017 10:08 PM, Alana Leonhardy via NAGDU wrote:
>> Hi, all,
>> First off, if a school is going to require a background check, they
>> absolutely need to use a fully accessible website.
>> On the issue itself, I think background checks are fine for a couple
>> of reasons. I agree with some previous posters that having a criminal
>> record should not automatically disqualify someone from being
>> accepted to training...and if that's how some schools are doing
>> things, then that's a big problem. I think that, with some acceptions
>> for various serious crimes, things need to be looked at on a case by case
basis.
>> That being said, the safety of the dog isn't the only thing that
>> needs to be taken in to account. There are also the other student's
>> to consider. For example, a person convicted of rape may be a fine
>> dog handler, but it wouldn't be fair to potentially put the other
>> students in danger regardless of how well that person may be able to
>> work a guide dog.
>> Alana
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 07:03, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A friend of mine is applying to Fidelco, and he had to undergo a
>>> criminal background check as part of the application process.
>>> Fidelco told him the IGDF is recommending that all schools add the
>>> check.  He also said the website Fidelco used for his part of the
>>> check wasn't really accessible, and he had to have a sighted person
>>> fill out the form for him.
>>>
>>> Just thought I'd share.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:24:49 -0400
From: "Jameyanne Fuller" <jameyanne at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
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Subject: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
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Hello all,

I know this has come up before but I can't find the post. Can anyone
recommend some bright LED lights for my dog's harness? I'm moving off-campus
this year and I want to make sure we're nice and visible when we're walking
home in the evenings, especially as it gets darker earlier and earlier in
the fall. Thanks for your help.

Best,

Jameyanne



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 10:28:00 -0500
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
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Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

Did you look on-line at the archives for answered to where you could get LED
lights? I don't know any, but just thought I would ask.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com



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Subject: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness

Hello all,

I know this has come up before but I can't find the post. Can anyone
recommend some bright LED lights for my dog's harness? I'm moving off-campus
this year and I want to make sure we're nice and visible when we're walking
home in the evenings, especially as it gets darker earlier and earlier in
the fall. Thanks for your help.

Best,

Jameyanne

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:43:39 -0400
From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
        <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
Message-ID: <4D76F092-F771-4D34-A7D6-93DE6AA0413D at brannan.name>
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Guidelights And Gadgets. Call them, I got a string of them at Top dog.
617-969-7500


--
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Phone: 814-860-3194
Mobile: 814-431-0962
Email: buddy at brannan.name




> On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:24 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I know this has come up before but I can't find the post. Can anyone
> recommend some bright LED lights for my dog's harness? I'm moving off-campus
> this year and I want to make sure we're nice and visible when we're walking
> home in the evenings, especially as it gets darker earlier and earlier in
> the fall. Thanks for your help.
>
> Best,
>
> Jameyanne
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:45:11 -0400
From: "Jameyanne Fuller" <jameyanne at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
Message-ID: <009c01d2e913$0a0536d0$1e0fa470$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

I did look. I thought I remembered a post about it but couldn't find it.

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NAGDU
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Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness

Did you look on-line at the archives for answered to where you could get LED
lights? I don't know any, but just thought I would ask.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com



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Cc: Jameyanne Fuller <jameyanne at gmail.com>
Subject: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness

Hello all,

I know this has come up before but I can't find the post. Can anyone
recommend some bright LED lights for my dog's harness? I'm moving off-campus
this year and I want to make sure we're nice and visible when we're walking
home in the evenings, especially as it gets darker earlier and earlier in
the fall. Thanks for your help.

Best,

Jameyanne

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:09:50 -0500
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
Message-ID: <009101d2e916$7b332f30$71998d90$@gmail.com>
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There was a post on LED lights or maybe several, but I don't remember when.
It doesn't seem so long ago, but it could be. I think there were a few such
posts. Anyway, surely someone will post again. Just wanted to see if you had
checked the archives for sure.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com


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Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:45 AM
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Cc: Jameyanne Fuller <jameyanne at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness

I did look. I thought I remembered a post about it but couldn't find it.

-----Original Message-----
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Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness

Did you look on-line at the archives for answered to where you could get LED
lights? I don't know any, but just thought I would ask.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:25 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
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Cc: Jameyanne Fuller <jameyanne at gmail.com>
Subject: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness

Hello all,

I know this has come up before but I can't find the post. Can anyone
recommend some bright LED lights for my dog's harness? I'm moving off-campus
this year and I want to make sure we're nice and visible when we're walking
home in the evenings, especially as it gets darker earlier and earlier in
the fall. Thanks for your help.

Best,

Jameyanne

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 12:16:38 -0400
From: David <david at bakerinet.com>
To: Jameyanne Fuller via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
Message-ID: <4b178585-2165-a5ba-f1a7-0d4d64a8ee40 at bakerinet.com>
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I use a very bright VistaLite VL700 and clip it to the left side of her
harness.  It was available in pairs.  It will flash, or give a steady light.

It seems that they don't make them any more, but the BV Bike Rear Safety
Light from Amazon appears similar.

*David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL*
*david at bakerinet.com

*
On 6/19/2017 11:24 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via NAGDU wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I know this has come up before but I can't find the post. Can anyone
> recommend some bright LED lights for my dog's harness? I'm moving off-campus
> this year and I want to make sure we're nice and visible when we're walking
> home in the evenings, especially as it gets darker earlier and earlier in
> the fall. Thanks for your help.
>
> Best,
>
> Jameyanne
>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 12:24:29 -0400
From: David <david at bakerinet.com>
To: Jameyanne Fuller via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
Message-ID: <37993a4f-c003-0bba-18a8-02c278c68140 at bakerinet.com>
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There is also a light that looks like it may have more side light
visibility like the VistaLite VL700. They are sold under many names
like: SIGEM, BLITZU, Braitor ... .

https://www.amazon.com/Bonuses-Flashing-Visibility-Running-reflective/dp/B01COALMYG/ref=pd_sbs_468_15?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01COALMYG&pd_rd_r=BG5S0CTQ1605JQ46EHRS&pd_rd_w=WFUCS&pd_rd_wg=k3Ltr&refRID=BG5S0CTQ1605JQ46EHRS

*David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL*
*david at bakerinet.com*
On 6/19/2017 11:45 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via NAGDU wrote:
> I did look. I thought I remembered a post about it but couldn't find it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 11:28 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
>
> Did you look on-line at the archives for answered to where you could get LED
> lights? I don't know any, but just thought I would ask.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne Fuller
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:25 AM
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> Cc: Jameyanne Fuller <jameyanne at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
>
> Hello all,
>
> I know this has come up before but I can't find the post. Can anyone
> recommend some bright LED lights for my dog's harness? I'm moving off-campus
> this year and I want to make sure we're nice and visible when we're walking
> home in the evenings, especially as it gets darker earlier and earlier in
> the fall. Thanks for your help.
>
> Best,
>
> Jameyanne
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:28:04 +0000
From: Elise Berkley <bravaegf at hotmail.com>
To: National Association for Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [NAGDU] Fourth of July
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Hello, everyone.

It has been a long time since I posted, but I do follow the topics. School has kept Becky and I very busy. My problem is: Sometimes there are sounds that seem to be gunshots or firecrackers. When Becky hears these sounds, her head shoots straight up, then her whole body starts shaking, and sometimes she will pant rapidly and I can feel her heart beating fast. I am so afraid of how July 4th will affect her. Currently, I hug her very close to me, I pet her from head to taqil, and I talk to her. What do you all suggest so I can make July 4th as tolerable for her as possible. We never, never go out, so these are sounds we hear from our apartment. Thanks for your help. I am so concerned for my baby.

Elise Berkley


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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:46:19 -0500
From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
To: David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
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I have lights that attach to a collar or harness.   They don't swivel
and the front and back are distinguishable by touch. I also carry a LED
light  up collar.

<https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=1916046>

Julie
On 6/19/2017 11:24 AM, David via NAGDU wrote:
> There is also a light that looks like it may have more side light
> visibility like the VistaLite VL700. They are sold under many names
> like: SIGEM, BLITZU, Braitor ... .
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Bonuses-Flashing-Visibility-Running-reflective/dp/B01COALMYG/ref=pd_sbs_468_15?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01COALMYG&pd_rd_r=BG5S0CTQ1605JQ46EHRS&pd_rd_w=WFUCS&pd_rd_wg=k3Ltr&refRID=BG5S0CTQ1605JQ46EHRS
>
>
> *David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL*
> *david at bakerinet.com*
> On 6/19/2017 11:45 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via NAGDU wrote:
>> I did look. I thought I remembered a post about it but couldn't find it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 11:28 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
>>
>> Did you look on-line at the archives for answered to where you could
>> get LED
>> lights? I don't know any, but just thought I would ask.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne
>> Fuller
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:25 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jameyanne Fuller <jameyanne at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I know this has come up before but I can't find the post. Can anyone
>> recommend some bright LED lights for my dog's harness? I'm moving
>> off-campus
>> this year and I want to make sure we're nice and visible when we're
>> walking
>> home in the evenings, especially as it gets darker earlier and
>> earlier in
>> the fall. Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jameyanne
>>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 12:50:55 -0400
From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
        <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check
Message-ID: <D60A5594D03C436CA9C8C3E680DF6F4E at SLJohnson>

Hello:

Background checks are very common these days.  They request background
checks for employment, apartment rentals and lots of other things.  I am
very glad the guide dog schools request background checks.  I would hate to
have to attend class with a violent criminal, especially in this age of
sexual abuse.  The schools have to protect themselves from having problems
occur on class that would endanger all the other students.  if you do the
crime then it is your fault that you cannot rent, get a job or even get a
guide dog.

Sandra Johnson

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Weiner via NAGDU
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 5:22 PM
To: Wayne & Harley via NAGDU
Cc: Dan Weiner
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check

Yes, to be blunt, even if you had a criminal background if you are blind
or legally blind and you can use a dog in the intended manner and
willing to make the commitment and everything then who cares. Maybe this
is done for liability's sake or something weird like that but I don't
care for it.


On 6/18/2017 5:07 PM, Wayne & Harley via NAGDU wrote:
> *Hello Tracy,
> I do, kind of have a problem with both pats of your friend's dilemma.
> I'll take them in reverse order. Yes, a Guide Dog school should make well
> sure that their vendor's site is accessible to their potential clientele,
> the blind. that's plain ridiculous.
> Did your friend have to fork over the fee for this criminal background
> check? Also, this, I feel, is an intrusion to the privacy of potential
> Guide Dog Owners/Handlers. it seems an overly patronizing and
> paternalistic practice.
> That's my $.02 worth.
>
> Wayne And Harley D.
>
> *On 6/18/2017 9:03 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>> A friend of mine is applying to Fidelco, and he had to undergo a criminal
>> background check as part of the application process.  Fidelco told him
>> the
>> IGDF is recommending that all schools add the check.  He also said the
>> website Fidelco used for his part of the check wasn't really accessible,
>> and
>> he had to have a sighted person fill out the form for him.
>>
>> Just thought I'd share.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:05:57 -0400
From: Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com>
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs
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Hi everyone,
First, let me preface this by stating that I am not wishing to put one school above another or cause any tension on this list. You have all been so helpful in answering my many questions, and I do not want to take advantage of that gracious assistance by any means.
As I have been researching possible dog guide schools, one program that intrigues me is Freedom Guide Dogs, as they conduct at-home training. As a college student with some time commitments during the fall and spring semesters, this option seems appealing to me. However, I would like to obtain any feedback or experiences prior to pursuing this further.
If you wish to contact me privately off list so as to not clutter the list or cause  trouble, please feel free to do so.
My email is: knownoflove (at) gmail (dot) com.
Again, I humbly apologize for any inconvenience this message may cause.
Thanks as always for your time and assistance, and have a wonderful week!

Best wishes, Miranda



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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 10:14:57 -0700
From: "Michael Hingson" <mike at michaelhingson.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs
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Miranda,

Your request is not offensive nor inappropriate. You might contact our NAGDU
president, Marion, about Freedom. His email address is easy,
president at nagdu.org.

Good luck in your school search.


Best Regards,


Michael Hingson
Vice President, NAGDU

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:06 AM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Cc: Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com>
Subject: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs

Hi everyone,
First, let me preface this by stating that I am not wishing to put one
school above another or cause any tension on this list. You have all been so
helpful in answering my many questions, and I do not want to take advantage
of that gracious assistance by any means.
As I have been researching possible dog guide schools, one program that
intrigues me is Freedom Guide Dogs, as they conduct at-home training. As a
college student with some time commitments during the fall and spring
semesters, this option seems appealing to me. However, I would like to
obtain any feedback or experiences prior to pursuing this further.
If you wish to contact me privately off list so as to not clutter the list
or cause  trouble, please feel free to do so.
My email is: knownoflove (at) gmail (dot) com.
Again, I humbly apologize for any inconvenience this message may cause.
Thanks as always for your time and assistance, and have a wonderful week!

Best wishes, Miranda



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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:21:40 -0400
From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check
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Dear All,

        Fidelco has a distinct patern of being very intrusive to applicants'
personal information. It is my understanding that they also require
applicants to submit their most recent IRS f. 1040 before being accepted for
training. I guess Donald Trump wouldn't be a good candidate! (smile)

Marion



Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
National Federation of the Blind
(813) 626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG


The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
you back.

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:53 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: Cindy Ray
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check

,that doe/n't make sense to me either that they would do a criminal
background ceeck on the trainees because of the possibility of problems by
other members of the family.
Cindy Ray
cindyray at gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 8:32 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check

Fidelco is different from many programs in that the trainer works with the
client in the client's home area.  They told my friend a trainer had been
threatened and intimidated by a client's family member, so they came up with
this policy.
That doesn't make sense to me.  I wouldn't think a background check on me
would turn up problems with my family.  Maybe it would show if the police
had been called to my house, but I'm not even sure about that.
Tracy

> I don't know, guys,is it really necessary, I mean, unless a school can
> tell me or convince me that they've had problem with people with
> criminal records in enough cases that this is warranted, I would be
> very hesitant to just buy in to that type of reasoning.
>
> So let's see, all  do you need a criminal background check to receive
> services for the blind? What about other comparable services, yes I
> know, it all boils down to the argument about what you're allowed to
> ask if you are providing a service and ultimately it comes back to the
> same type of arguments we hear about ownership, to give ownership or
> not to give ownership.  If it were up to me, NAGDU and GDUI would be
> asking Fidelco why this is so necessary.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/18/2017 10:08 PM, Alana Leonhardy via NAGDU wrote:
>> Hi, all,
>> First off, if a school is going to require a background check, they
>> absolutely need to use a fully accessible website.
>> On the issue itself, I think background checks are fine for a couple
>> of reasons. I agree with some previous posters that having a criminal
>> record should not automatically disqualify someone from being
>> accepted to training...and if that's how some schools are doing
>> things, then that's a big problem. I think that, with some acceptions
>> for various serious crimes, things need to be looked at on a case by
>> case
basis.
>> That being said, the safety of the dog isn't the only thing that
>> needs to be taken in to account. There are also the other student's
>> to consider. For example, a person convicted of rape may be a fine
>> dog handler, but it wouldn't be fair to potentially put the other
>> students in danger regardless of how well that person may be able to
>> work a guide dog.
>> Alana
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 07:03, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A friend of mine is applying to Fidelco, and he had to undergo a
>>> criminal background check as part of the application process.
>>> Fidelco told him the IGDF is recommending that all schools add the
>>> check.  He also said the website Fidelco used for his part of the
>>> check wasn't really accessible, and he had to have a sighted person
>>> fill out the form for him.
>>>
>>> Just thought I'd share.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:34:23 -0400
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
        <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check
Message-ID: <e4079c2ed2db6ff0ea4c9bb3c2089410.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
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Yes, my friend said they asked a lot of personal financial questions, like
"What do you spend on electricity?  What do you spend on food?"  We both
thought it was a bit much. And, after all this, they still do not grant
the client ownership of the dog.

And that's funny, Marion--Trump wouldn't be a good Fidelco candidate
because he wouldn't give them his tax return!
Tracy

> Dear All,
>
>        Fidelco has a distinct patern of being very intrusive to applicants'
> personal information. It is my understanding that they also require
> applicants to submit their most recent IRS f. 1040 before being accepted
> for
> training. I guess Donald Trump wouldn't be a good candidate! (smile)
>
> Marion
>
>
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
> National Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
> people
> and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what
> holds
> you back.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:53 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check
>
> ,that doe/n't make sense to me either that they would do a criminal
> background ceeck on the trainees because of the possibility of problems by
> other members of the family.
> Cindy Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 8:32 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check
>
> Fidelco is different from many programs in that the trainer works with the
> client in the client's home area.  They told my friend a trainer had been
> threatened and intimidated by a client's family member, so they came up
> with
> this policy.
> That doesn't make sense to me.  I wouldn't think a background check on me
> would turn up problems with my family.  Maybe it would show if the police
> had been called to my house, but I'm not even sure about that.
> Tracy
>
>> I don't know, guys,is it really necessary, I mean, unless a school can
>> tell me or convince me that they've had problem with people with
>> criminal records in enough cases that this is warranted, I would be
>> very hesitant to just buy in to that type of reasoning.
>>
>> So let's see, all  do you need a criminal background check to receive
>> services for the blind? What about other comparable services, yes I
>> know, it all boils down to the argument about what you're allowed to
>> ask if you are providing a service and ultimately it comes back to the
>> same type of arguments we hear about ownership, to give ownership or
>> not to give ownership.  If it were up to me, NAGDU and GDUI would be
>> asking Fidelco why this is so necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/18/2017 10:08 PM, Alana Leonhardy via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Hi, all,
>>> First off, if a school is going to require a background check, they
>>> absolutely need to use a fully accessible website.
>>> On the issue itself, I think background checks are fine for a couple
>>> of reasons. I agree with some previous posters that having a criminal
>>> record should not automatically disqualify someone from being
>>> accepted to training...and if that's how some schools are doing
>>> things, then that's a big problem. I think that, with some acceptions
>>> for various serious crimes, things need to be looked at on a case by
>>> case
> basis.
>>> That being said, the safety of the dog isn't the only thing that
>>> needs to be taken in to account. There are also the other student's
>>> to consider. For example, a person convicted of rape may be a fine
>>> dog handler, but it wouldn't be fair to potentially put the other
>>> students in danger regardless of how well that person may be able to
>>> work a guide dog.
>>> Alana
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 07:03, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A friend of mine is applying to Fidelco, and he had to undergo a
>>>> criminal background check as part of the application process.
>>>> Fidelco told him the IGDF is recommending that all schools add the
>>>> check.  He also said the website Fidelco used for his part of the
>>>> check wasn't really accessible, and he had to have a sighted person
>>>> fill out the form for him.
>>>>
>>>> Just thought I'd share.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 10:35:37 -0700
From: Gary Steeves <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
        <nagdu at nfbnet.org>,     Star Gazer via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>, "'NAGDU
        Mailing List,   the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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Subject: [NAGDU] how to find the best bet?
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Hello all:

this thread has reminded me of something I wanted to ask the list. Me and my girlfriend  have been discussing vets in preparation for when we get our next dog.  Bogart went to a vet a block from my house which certainly was convenient.  however, when Bogart became ill we started having questions about their either quality of care or honesty.  In fairness, we don't know what caused Bogart's demise and we had a lot of denial with  what we were witnessing with our dog.  I have this issue with vets, and dentists for that matter, is that they make their money from selling services or drugs so how can I trust them to have my  dogs best interest in mind.

is there a good place to get a list of questions to ask a potential vet?

appreciate people's thoughts.

Gary


On June 18, 2017 4:11:24 PM PDT, Star Gazer via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>                               Let her figure it out, this is her business,
>literally. Tell her your setup and let her decide if she can provide
>you
>with mobile services if that is what you'd like.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda via
>NAGDU
>Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 10:28 AM
>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [NAGDU] house calls from vets?
>
>We actually have a vet here in our city that has a mobile practice. She
>is
>one of the options that we are considering, as she was recommended by
>someone I know. However, I'm not sure how well this would work for
>those of
>us who live in apartments, as she has a truck and I'm not sure if there
>would be enough room for her to park in our parking lot.
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Dan Weiner via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>wrote:
>>
>> So then the question is: here in the States, anyway, are there any
>doctors
>who will come to your home in an emergency? I know of none but that
>doesn't
>mean it doesn't exist--smile. When i was in Japan I had a good
>relationship
>with a vet who was starting a practice with her husband. She and her
>husband
>had worked at the former vet I went to and they would come to my home
>or  I
>mean, the place I was staying--smilesometimes, I should try to find
>them
>again and see how they are--smile. But I know of no one here in the
>States.
>I'm just responding because Bianka mentioned that that would be a
>factor in
>choosing a vet...so, Bianka, will vets come to your home in Germany on
>occasion, and for that matter, do regular doctors make house calls?
>Here
>they did in the fifties and sixties but that stopped being very common
>here.
>>
>> Take care everyone.
>>
>>
>>> On 6/18/2017 8:21 AM, Bianka via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Hello Miranda and list,
>>>
>>> The only question that came to mind is if the vet in question has
>some
>experience with working dogs? Personally vets that have some experience
>with
>working dogs can usually judge a bit better when the dog is fit to work
>after an operation. However, if it's not your first guide dog this
>doesn't
>really play a big role. Service hours and whether you can get to the
>vet
>easily or if he/she can come and see you at your home in an emergency
>situations are more important for me. Also, for me, I like a vet who
>includes wholistic treatment methods but that's a personal choice I
>guess.
>>>
>>> Thanks and kind regards,
>>>
>>> Bianka
>>>
>>>
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 14:19:53 -0400
From: "Jameyanne Fuller" <jameyanne at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
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Thank you all so much for your suggestions. I'll do some perusing when I get
home from work.
Stay cool.
Jameyanne

-----Original Message-----
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NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:46 PM
To: David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness

I have lights that attach to a collar or harness.   They don't swivel
and the front and back are distinguishable by touch. I also carry a LED
light  up collar.

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On 6/19/2017 11:24 AM, David via NAGDU wrote:
> There is also a light that looks like it may have more side light
> visibility like the VistaLite VL700. They are sold under many names
> like: SIGEM, BLITZU, Braitor ... .
>
>
https://www.amazon.com/Bonuses-Flashing-Visibility-Running-reflective/dp/B01
COALMYG/ref=pd_sbs_468_15?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01COALMYG&pd_rd_r=BG5S0CTQ
1605JQ46EHRS&pd_rd_w=WFUCS&pd_rd_wg=k3Ltr&refRID=BG5S0CTQ1605JQ46EHRS
>
>
> *David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL*
> *david at bakerinet.com*
> On 6/19/2017 11:45 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via NAGDU wrote:
>> I did look. I thought I remembered a post about it but couldn't find it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 11:28 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
>>
>> Did you look on-line at the archives for answered to where you could
>> get LED
>> lights? I don't know any, but just thought I would ask.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne
>> Fuller
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:25 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jameyanne Fuller <jameyanne at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I know this has come up before but I can't find the post. Can anyone
>> recommend some bright LED lights for my dog's harness? I'm moving
>> off-campus
>> this year and I want to make sure we're nice and visible when we're
>> walking
>> home in the evenings, especially as it gets darker earlier and
>> earlier in
>> the fall. Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jameyanne
>>
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:28:40 -0400
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check
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                        Anybody have a rationale as to why they do this?

-----Original Message-----
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via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check

Dear All,

        Fidelco has a distinct patern of being very intrusive to applicants'
personal information. It is my understanding that they also require
applicants to submit their most recent IRS f. 1040 before being accepted for
training. I guess Donald Trump wouldn't be a good candidate! (smile)

Marion



Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National Federation of
the Blind
(813) 626-2789
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characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
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-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:53 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: Cindy Ray
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check

,that doe/n't make sense to me either that they would do a criminal
background ceeck on the trainees because of the possibility of problems by
other members of the family.
Cindy Ray
cindyray at gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 8:32 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
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Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check

Fidelco is different from many programs in that the trainer works with the
client in the client's home area.  They told my friend a trainer had been
threatened and intimidated by a client's family member, so they came up with
this policy.
That doesn't make sense to me.  I wouldn't think a background check on me
would turn up problems with my family.  Maybe it would show if the police
had been called to my house, but I'm not even sure about that.
Tracy

> I don't know, guys,is it really necessary, I mean, unless a school can
> tell me or convince me that they've had problem with people with
> criminal records in enough cases that this is warranted, I would be
> very hesitant to just buy in to that type of reasoning.
>
> So let's see, all  do you need a criminal background check to receive
> services for the blind? What about other comparable services, yes I
> know, it all boils down to the argument about what you're allowed to
> ask if you are providing a service and ultimately it comes back to the
> same type of arguments we hear about ownership, to give ownership or
> not to give ownership.  If it were up to me, NAGDU and GDUI would be
> asking Fidelco why this is so necessary.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/18/2017 10:08 PM, Alana Leonhardy via NAGDU wrote:
>> Hi, all,
>> First off, if a school is going to require a background check, they
>> absolutely need to use a fully accessible website.
>> On the issue itself, I think background checks are fine for a couple
>> of reasons. I agree with some previous posters that having a criminal
>> record should not automatically disqualify someone from being
>> accepted to training...and if that's how some schools are doing
>> things, then that's a big problem. I think that, with some acceptions
>> for various serious crimes, things need to be looked at on a case by
>> case
basis.
>> That being said, the safety of the dog isn't the only thing that
>> needs to be taken in to account. There are also the other student's
>> to consider. For example, a person convicted of rape may be a fine
>> dog handler, but it wouldn't be fair to potentially put the other
>> students in danger regardless of how well that person may be able to
>> work a guide dog.
>> Alana
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 07:03, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A friend of mine is applying to Fidelco, and he had to undergo a
>>> criminal background check as part of the application process.
>>> Fidelco told him the IGDF is recommending that all schools add the
>>> check.  He also said the website Fidelco used for his part of the
>>> check wasn't really accessible, and he had to have a sighted person
>>> fill out the form for him.
>>>
>>> Just thought I'd share.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 14:29:57 -0500
From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
Message-ID: <02b201d2e932$6ff7c0b0$4fe74210$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

Unfortunately, Amazon is not letting me see orders from a year ago, but that
is where I purchased the lights I use.  I cannot seem to find the bookmark
for it either.  Mine are small very bright, and they came with Velcro straps
to use on things.  The Velcro is just barely long enough to fit the
backstrap of Belto's harness.
Jordan

-----Original Message-----
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via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:20 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: Jameyanne Fuller
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness

Thank you all so much for your suggestions. I'll do some perusing when I get
home from work.
Stay cool.
Jameyanne

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via
NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:46 PM
To: David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness

I have lights that attach to a collar or harness.   They don't swivel
and the front and back are distinguishable by touch. I also carry a LED
light  up collar.

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Julie
On 6/19/2017 11:24 AM, David via NAGDU wrote:
> There is also a light that looks like it may have more side light
> visibility like the VistaLite VL700. They are sold under many names
> like: SIGEM, BLITZU, Braitor ... .
>
>
https://www.amazon.com/Bonuses-Flashing-Visibility-Running-reflective/dp/B01
COALMYG/ref=pd_sbs_468_15?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01COALMYG&pd_rd_r=BG5S0CTQ
1605JQ46EHRS&pd_rd_w=WFUCS&pd_rd_wg=k3Ltr&refRID=BG5S0CTQ1605JQ46EHRS
>
>
> *David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL*
> *david at bakerinet.com*
> On 6/19/2017 11:45 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via NAGDU wrote:
>> I did look. I thought I remembered a post about it but couldn't find it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 11:28 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
>>
>> Did you look on-line at the archives for answered to where you could
>> get LED lights? I don't know any, but just thought I would ask.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne
>> Fuller
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:25 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jameyanne Fuller <jameyanne at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] LED lights for gude dog harness
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I know this has come up before but I can't find the post. Can anyone
>> recommend some bright LED lights for my dog's harness? I'm moving
>> off-campus
>> this year and I want to make sure we're nice and visible when we're
>> walking
>> home in the evenings, especially as it gets darker earlier and
>> earlier in
>> the fall. Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jameyanne
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:31:15 -0400
From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs
Message-ID: <007d01d2e932$9e8ef010$dbacd030$@verizon.net>
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Miranda,

        My wife, Merry Schoch, has had two guide dogs from Freedom. The
first did not work out but that was not the fault of the training program.
Her current dog is a Collie/Lab cross and she will gladly tell you that, of
the four dogs she has had from three different programs, it is the best dog
she has had. John Byfield, literally the most experienced guide dog trainer
in the world, is a trainer with Freedom and will be speaking during the
NAGDU seminar on July 10. If you are planning on coming to our national
convention, I would be happy to introduce you to John. If not, you can join
us virtually through our live stream. More on the live stream will follow!

Fraternally yours,
Marion
 Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
National Federation of the Blind
(813) 626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG


The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
you back.


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:06 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Cc: Miranda
Subject: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs

Hi everyone,
First, let me preface this by stating that I am not wishing to put one
school above another or cause any tension on this list. You have all been so
helpful in answering my many questions, and I do not want to take advantage
of that gracious assistance by any means.
As I have been researching possible dog guide schools, one program that
intrigues me is Freedom Guide Dogs, as they conduct at-home training. As a
college student with some time commitments during the fall and spring
semesters, this option seems appealing to me. However, I would like to
obtain any feedback or experiences prior to pursuing this further.
If you wish to contact me privately off list so as to not clutter the list
or cause  trouble, please feel free to do so.
My email is: knownoflove (at) gmail (dot) com.
Again, I humbly apologize for any inconvenience this message may cause.
Thanks as always for your time and assistance, and have a wonderful week!

Best wishes, Miranda



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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:37:03 -0400
From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check
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Tracy,

        You are right about Fidelco not transferring ownership of the dog
after training. Though they claim to do so, no one with any logic would
consider the right to repossess the dog at any time and for any reason at
their sole and absolute discretion anything resembling ownership.
Furthermore, Julie Unwinn, Chief Operating Officer for Fidelco, stated
during the NAGDU meeting a couple years ago that consumers should not have
input into their policies practices because we do not pay for the dog or its
training. Never mind that they raise hundreds of thousdands of dollars in
the name of the blind and treat us as their wards with paternalsitc,
heavy-handed policies and arrogant expressions of how much good they do for
us!

Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala



Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
National Federation of the Blind
(813) 626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG


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characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
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and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
you back.


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:34 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Tracy Carcione
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check

Yes, my friend said they asked a lot of personal financial questions, like
"What do you spend on electricity?  What do you spend on food?"  We both
thought it was a bit much. And, after all this, they still do not grant
the client ownership of the dog.

And that's funny, Marion--Trump wouldn't be a good Fidelco candidate
because he wouldn't give them his tax return!
Tracy

> Dear All,
>
>        Fidelco has a distinct patern of being very intrusive to applicants'
> personal information. It is my understanding that they also require
> applicants to submit their most recent IRS f. 1040 before being accepted
> for
> training. I guess Donald Trump wouldn't be a good candidate! (smile)
>
> Marion
>
>
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
> National Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
> people
> and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what
> holds
> you back.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:53 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check
>
> ,that doe/n't make sense to me either that they would do a criminal
> background ceeck on the trainees because of the possibility of problems by
> other members of the family.
> Cindy Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 8:32 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check
>
> Fidelco is different from many programs in that the trainer works with the
> client in the client's home area.  They told my friend a trainer had been
> threatened and intimidated by a client's family member, so they came up
> with
> this policy.
> That doesn't make sense to me.  I wouldn't think a background check on me
> would turn up problems with my family.  Maybe it would show if the police
> had been called to my house, but I'm not even sure about that.
> Tracy
>
>> I don't know, guys,is it really necessary, I mean, unless a school can
>> tell me or convince me that they've had problem with people with
>> criminal records in enough cases that this is warranted, I would be
>> very hesitant to just buy in to that type of reasoning.
>>
>> So let's see, all  do you need a criminal background check to receive
>> services for the blind? What about other comparable services, yes I
>> know, it all boils down to the argument about what you're allowed to
>> ask if you are providing a service and ultimately it comes back to the
>> same type of arguments we hear about ownership, to give ownership or
>> not to give ownership.  If it were up to me, NAGDU and GDUI would be
>> asking Fidelco why this is so necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/18/2017 10:08 PM, Alana Leonhardy via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Hi, all,
>>> First off, if a school is going to require a background check, they
>>> absolutely need to use a fully accessible website.
>>> On the issue itself, I think background checks are fine for a couple
>>> of reasons. I agree with some previous posters that having a criminal
>>> record should not automatically disqualify someone from being
>>> accepted to training...and if that's how some schools are doing
>>> things, then that's a big problem. I think that, with some acceptions
>>> for various serious crimes, things need to be looked at on a case by
>>> case
> basis.
>>> That being said, the safety of the dog isn't the only thing that
>>> needs to be taken in to account. There are also the other student's
>>> to consider. For example, a person convicted of rape may be a fine
>>> dog handler, but it wouldn't be fair to potentially put the other
>>> students in danger regardless of how well that person may be able to
>>> work a guide dog.
>>> Alana
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 07:03, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A friend of mine is applying to Fidelco, and he had to undergo a
>>>> criminal background check as part of the application process.
>>>> Fidelco told him the IGDF is recommending that all schools add the
>>>> check.  He also said the website Fidelco used for his part of the
>>>> check wasn't really accessible, and he had to have a sighted person
>>>> fill out the form for him.
>>>>
>>>> Just thought I'd share.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:38:55 -0400
From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check
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        Not all training programs conduct background checks. In fact, I
don't know of any other program that does so.

Marion Gwizdala



Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
National Federation of the Blind
(813) 626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG


The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
you back.


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:51 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: S L Johnson
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check

Hello:

Background checks are very common these days.  They request background
checks for employment, apartment rentals and lots of other things.  I am
very glad the guide dog schools request background checks.  I would hate to
have to attend class with a violent criminal, especially in this age of
sexual abuse.  The schools have to protect themselves from having problems
occur on class that would endanger all the other students.  if you do the
crime then it is your fault that you cannot rent, get a job or even get a
guide dog.

Sandra Johnson

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Weiner via NAGDU
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 5:22 PM
To: Wayne & Harley via NAGDU
Cc: Dan Weiner
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check

Yes, to be blunt, even if you had a criminal background if you are blind
or legally blind and you can use a dog in the intended manner and
willing to make the commitment and everything then who cares. Maybe this
is done for liability's sake or something weird like that but I don't
care for it.


On 6/18/2017 5:07 PM, Wayne & Harley via NAGDU wrote:
> *Hello Tracy,
> I do, kind of have a problem with both pats of your friend's dilemma.
> I'll take them in reverse order. Yes, a Guide Dog school should make well
> sure that their vendor's site is accessible to their potential clientele,
> the blind. that's plain ridiculous.
> Did your friend have to fork over the fee for this criminal background
> check? Also, this, I feel, is an intrusion to the privacy of potential
> Guide Dog Owners/Handlers. it seems an overly patronizing and
> paternalistic practice.
> That's my $.02 worth.
>
> Wayne And Harley D.
>
> *On 6/18/2017 9:03 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>> A friend of mine is applying to Fidelco, and he had to undergo a criminal
>> background check as part of the application process.  Fidelco told him
>> the
>> IGDF is recommending that all schools add the check.  He also said the
>> website Fidelco used for his part of the check wasn't really accessible,
>> and
>> he had to have a sighted person fill out the form for him.
>>
>> Just thought I'd share.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:04:00 -0400
From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check
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Dan,

        I agree with you whole-heartedly! Fidelco reserves the right to
repossess a dog at any time and for any reason at their sole and absolute
discretion. Then, they intrude into the lives of their consumers by
requiring their income tax statement. Southeastern refuses to give a person
a dog because they were diagnosed with a mental illness and requires the dog
be retired once it reaches 11 years old. NAGDU opposes such intrusion in our
lives for no good reason! If only we could get others on board with us and
quit believing we are incapable of making dicisions about our lives and
demanding the training programs treat us equitably and with the dignity they
claim their dogs give us. No matter how you dress it up, paternalism is
offensive and undignified!

Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala


Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
National Federation of the Blind
(813) 626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG


The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
you back.


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Weiner via
NAGDU
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 10:29 PM
To: Alana Leonhardy via NAGDU
Cc: Dan Weiner
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Criminal background check

I don't know, guys,is it really necessary, I mean, unless a school can tell
me or convince me that they've had problem with people with criminal records
in enough cases that this is warranted, I would be very hesitant to just buy
in to that type of reasoning.

So let's see, all  do you need a criminal background check to receive
services for the blind? What about other comparable services, yes I know, it
all boils down to the argument about what you're allowed to ask if you are
providing a service and ultimately it comes back to the same type of
arguments we hear about ownership, to give ownership or not to give
ownership.  If it were up to me, NAGDU and GDUI would be asking Fidelco why
this is so necessary.





On 6/18/2017 10:08 PM, Alana Leonhardy via NAGDU wrote:
> Hi, all,
> First off, if a school is going to require a background check, they
absolutely need to use a fully accessible website.
> On the issue itself, I think background checks are fine for a couple of
reasons. I agree with some previous posters that having a criminal record
should not automatically disqualify someone from being accepted to
training...and if that's how some schools are doing things, then that's a
big problem. I think that, with some acceptions for various serious crimes,
things need to be looked at on a case by case basis.
> That being said, the safety of the dog isn't the only thing that needs to
be taken in to account. There are also the other student's to consider. For
example, a person convicted of rape may be a fine dog handler, but it
wouldn't be fair to potentially put the other students in danger regardless
of how well that person may be able to work a guide dog.
> Alana
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 07:03, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>>
>> A friend of mine is applying to Fidelco, and he had to undergo a
>> criminal background check as part of the application process.
>> Fidelco told him the IGDF is recommending that all schools add the
>> check.  He also said the website Fidelco used for his part of the
>> check wasn't really accessible, and he had to have a sighted person fill
out the form for him.
>>
>> Just thought I'd share.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:51:37 -0400
From: "Heather Bird" <heather.l.bird at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs
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John Bifield is truly amazing. He helped start the home training aspect of
the GDF program. He helped start the Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation as well,
turning it from a breeding program providing GSDs to various guide dog
programs and other programs using GSDs into a guide dog training program in
its own right, then he went to Freedom Guide Dogs, which like Fidelco is
another purely home training program. He is really excellent. I cannot wait
to meet him. He is a legend, seriously.

Heather Bird
"They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't
a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I
wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a
Protestant.
Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." -
Martin Niem?ller
In our diverse society we must never fail to speak up in the face of Human
Rights violations lest we be the next targets of such violations.

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NAGDU President
via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:31 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: NAGDU President
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs

Miranda,

        My wife, Merry Schoch, has had two guide dogs from Freedom. The
first did not work out but that was not the fault of the training program.
Her current dog is a Collie/Lab cross and she will gladly tell you that, of
the four dogs she has had from three different programs, it is the best dog
she has had. John Byfield, literally the most experienced guide dog trainer
in the world, is a trainer with Freedom and will be speaking during the
NAGDU seminar on July 10. If you are planning on coming to our national
convention, I would be happy to introduce you to John. If not, you can join
us virtually through our live stream. More on the live stream will follow!

Fraternally yours,
Marion
 Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National Federation of
the Blind
(813) 626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG


The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
you back.


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:06 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Cc: Miranda
Subject: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs

Hi everyone,
First, let me preface this by stating that I am not wishing to put one
school above another or cause any tension on this list. You have all been so
helpful in answering my many questions, and I do not want to take advantage
of that gracious assistance by any means.
As I have been researching possible dog guide schools, one program that
intrigues me is Freedom Guide Dogs, as they conduct at-home training. As a
college student with some time commitments during the fall and spring
semesters, this option seems appealing to me. However, I would like to
obtain any feedback or experiences prior to pursuing this further.
If you wish to contact me privately off list so as to not clutter the list
or cause  trouble, please feel free to do so.
My email is: knownoflove (at) gmail (dot) com.
Again, I humbly apologize for any inconvenience this message may cause.
Thanks as always for your time and assistance, and have a wonderful week!

Best wishes, Miranda



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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:54:12 -0500
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs
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Didn't John speak at the NAGDU Meeting a couple years ago and also one year
when we were questioning the programs about ownership?
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmlail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather Bird via
NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:52 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Heather Bird <heather.l.bird at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs

John Bifield is truly amazing. He helped start the home training aspect of
the GDF program. He helped start the Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation as well,
turning it from a breeding program providing GSDs to various guide dog
programs and other programs using GSDs into a guide dog training program in
its own right, then he went to Freedom Guide Dogs, which like Fidelco is
another purely home training program. He is really excellent. I cannot wait
to meet him. He is a legend, seriously.

Heather Bird
"They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't
a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I
wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a
Protestant.
Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." -
Martin Niem?ller In our diverse society we must never fail to speak up in
the face of Human Rights violations lest we be the next targets of such
violations.

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NAGDU President
via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:31 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: NAGDU President
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs

Miranda,

        My wife, Merry Schoch, has had two guide dogs from Freedom. The
first did not work out but that was not the fault of the training program.
Her current dog is a Collie/Lab cross and she will gladly tell you that, of
the four dogs she has had from three different programs, it is the best dog
she has had. John Byfield, literally the most experienced guide dog trainer
in the world, is a trainer with Freedom and will be speaking during the
NAGDU seminar on July 10. If you are planning on coming to our national
convention, I would be happy to introduce you to John. If not, you can join
us virtually through our live stream. More on the live stream will follow!

Fraternally yours,
Marion
 Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National Federation of
the Blind
(813) 626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG


The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
you back.


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:06 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Cc: Miranda
Subject: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs

Hi everyone,
First, let me preface this by stating that I am not wishing to put one
school above another or cause any tension on this list. You have all been so
helpful in answering my many questions, and I do not want to take advantage
of that gracious assistance by any means.
As I have been researching possible dog guide schools, one program that
intrigues me is Freedom Guide Dogs, as they conduct at-home training. As a
college student with some time commitments during the fall and spring
semesters, this option seems appealing to me. However, I would like to
obtain any feedback or experiences prior to pursuing this further.
If you wish to contact me privately off list so as to not clutter the list
or cause  trouble, please feel free to do so.
My email is: knownoflove (at) gmail (dot) com.
Again, I humbly apologize for any inconvenience this message may cause.
Thanks as always for your time and assistance, and have a wonderful week!

Best wishes, Miranda



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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:54:13 -0400
From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Opinion on SEGD Mental Illness Policy
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Sandra,

        There is another word for what you term "unfair assumptions". I
think the ADA terms it "discrimination". Whether those discriminatory
practices are levied against those of us who are blind or have other
conditions, they are, nonetheless, illegal. Even training programs are
required to comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act and modify their
policies, practices, and procedures to allow an individual with a disability
access to their programs and services without discrimination. I have been
talking to an attorney to find out what we can do about this. I believe that
screening out individuals based upon mental illness, past criminal history,
and socioeconomic status could be found illegal. I think we need to take a
serious look at this to see if it is based upon evidence or conjecture.

Fraternally yours,
Marion


Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
National Federation of the Blind
(813) 626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG


The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
you back.


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of S L Johnson via
NAGDU
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 12:00 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: S L Johnson
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Opinion on SEGD Mental Illness Policy

Hello:

I think the guide dog schools need to be more open to applicants with all
kinds of problems in addition to blindness.  When I was applying for a dog
three years ago I found that schools denied my application based on the fact
that I have multiple sclerosis.  They just assumed that I could not handle a
dog even though I have done it for over forty years.  They said I could not
walk far enough or fast enough and would not have enough strength to handle
a dog.  Of course that was not true because at that time I was currently
working with Tara my genital calm female golden.  What they should have said
was that in their program all their dogs were too strong and too difficult
to control for someone with physical limitations.  The fault was with those
schools not with my ability to work a guide dog successfully.  I am sure
that unfair assumptions get many applicants denied from most of the schools
all the time.  Fortunately for me, Pilot Dogs felt that they had a very
gentle golden for me.  I knew from our first walk that Eva was a perfect
match.  Despite many days when I am not able to get out with her, she
continues to be an excellent guide.  That goes against all the schools
thinking that the dogs need to be walked for miles every day or else their
work will suffer.

However, in all fairness to the schools I have also seen the negative side
of giving a dog to people with mental illness.  As a disability advocate for
an Independent Living Center I had the unfortunate task to report one woman
to her guide dog school for abusing  her dog.  On another occasion a client
of mine with bipolar finally decided to get a dog to hopefully give her more
independence.  Several schools turned her down due to her mental illness.
Finally one small school decided to take a chance.  They recommended home
training so she could still have her counseling appointments and support
from me as well as friends and family.  Our hope was that training at home
would lessen the amount of stress for her.  I met with her and the trainer
several times during her at home training to be sure I was aware of any
concerns he might have.  She seemed to be doing fine and then suddenly one
night I got an emergency call from her telling me she was going to just
leave the dog out in the street if I did not come and get him.  I
immediately took a cab o her home and took the dog to my home and kept him
for the weekend until a trainer could come to get him.  The school thanked
me for making sure the dog was safe and taken care of.  That school said
they would never take a chance with another person with mental illness.

I have seen all kinds of people with various secondary disabilities be
successful with a guide dog.  I have seen students with brain injuries,
learning disabilities, emotional problems and mental illnesses as well as
all kinds of medical and physical problems  work a guide dog successfully.
All it takes is a school willing to take a chance and a trainer who has the
understanding and willingness to put in whatever extra time and effort it
may take to get that student and dog working well together.  It also takes
the right kind of dog for that person.  Whether it is a medical condition or
a mental illness I feel that the schools should at least consider giving a
person a chance.  Every case is different and should be decided on a case by
case basis instead of a policy of no absolutely not,we will never consider
anyone with that diagnosis.  A few schools told me they only wanted to
accept those who they knew would be successful.  How do they know a person
will be successful or not until they let them try?  The schools need to
realize that as we age we can develop some medical or physical problems.
That does not mean that we have lost the ability to work with a guide dog.
It means that we might need a calmer more gentle dog instead of the
rambunctious dogs we worked twenty thirty or forty years ago.  The world of
all disabled people is changing.  We are out and about in society regardless
of our disabilities.  There will continue to be applicants with other health
concerns who deserve a chance to get a guide dog.  As guide dog users and as
part of a strong advocy group we must insist that the schools not make
automatic judgments against applicants without giving that person a chance
to provide additional documentation and other proof that they would benefit
from and work successfully with a guide dog.

Sandra Johnson and Eva
SLJohnson at comcast.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Ray via NAGDU
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:48 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: Cindy Ray
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Opinion on SEGD Mental Illness Policy

Hi, Ash,

I have thought of these things, too, but in all fairness, people know what
they know and are ignorant about other conditions, illnesses, and the like.
That makes sense, too, if you think about it, but it is certainly a hard
pill to swallow. I believe that the whole thing is based on ignorance. It is
also extremely discriminatory. People still tend to look at people who have
mental illness the way they did in the 1800s and before. Just as blind
people who have socially unacceptable behaviors because no one trained them
properly create a problem for the rest, so those people who have not fared
well with a bipolar condition color life for those of you who are successful
in society. Bipolar conditions are lumped in with all other mental
illnesses, and I am sure they have differing characteristics. As soon as
someone goes out there shooting people or whatever violent crime they do,
people immediately believe them to be mentally ill. It is so wrong and
shouldn't be that way, but people do that. I believe that you should be
welcomed into the school; then if you do something that isn't acceptable,
which you would not do, you could be sent home. That's what would be done
with someone else. If a man came to the school and was sexually
inappropriate with a woman and she complained, he would be going home. He
had the benefit of the doubt when he came there though. The same should be
true for you and for other people with a bipolar condition. Certainly, if
there is a policy against your coming there, they owe you the response to
your queries, but you ought to be able to go there. Have you had this
experience with other guide dog programs? I think it is shocking the lack of
compassion we all have for people who have other disabilities from our own,
and I suspect that we should begin working on it. Maybe others will weigh in
on this and have ideas.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ash Foster via
NAGDU
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:49 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Cc: Ash Foster <lake_fos at yahoo.com>
Subject: [NAGDU] Opinion on SEGD Mental Illness Policy

blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px
#715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important;
background-color:white !important; } Hello. I rarely post to the list
although I very much enjoy it! I do hope it is OK I post this here. It is
truly a draft I just wrote, but wanted to express something thaf has
bothered me for a while, now. I mean no offense.
*
Coming into a community of individuals who all are, by social standards,
disabled, it's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that this group of
people will inherently be more accepting and understanding of other types of
disabilities, illnesses, and conditions. It's equally as easy to fall victim
to thinking that organizations serving this particular population will be
less likely to target and discriminate against those among that populations
who have co-existing conditions. It's easy to believe this surely must be a
group of individuals among which certain stigmas and ignorance will be less
prevalent.
And when reality hits, you quickly realize that simply because this
community is made up of individuals sharing a common condition and those
whose work it is to provide services to them, this means little when it
comes to the understanding and education about anything other than their own
affairs. People are people, so they say.
To make this a bit more relatable: please imagine if you will a guide dog
training program which states in its paperwork and on its website that
anyone with diabetes was not welcome to apply or a school which refuses
communication with all individuals ever having suffered a stroke. This would
be questioned and sincerely concerning for many, would it not? Imagine,
then, the same school refused to engage in dialogue with a sincerely
concerned, polite, respectful potential client or consumer of its services?
Would this be offensive? I am this person. I have been gaslighted and
ignored and have remained silent long enough. I can imagine few places, few
non-profits which would be so broadly supported in blatant discriminatory
behavior while hanging a virtual sign stating,  "you may qualify for our
services, but because you are blind, we deem you incapable of responsible
behavior." This would not be accepted, tacitly accepted and meekly complied
with because individuals so feared being cast out by that organization they
were willing to remain complicit in this behavior by their silence?
Why, then, is it acceptable for a prominent guide dog school to publicly and
blatantly refuse to even consider admitting applicants who have a particular
mental illness? In this case, that condition is Bipolar Disorder. Bipolar
Disorder, as most conditions do, has varying degrees and varying
presentations. Some are wholly disabled by it, while a far greater number of
individuals with it are upstanding, capable members of society. So what is
the justification for the reluctance to speak of, let alone address head-on,
the ban imposed by Southeastern Guide Dogs on individuals with this
disorder? As a former lawyer, I underwent quite a bit of background
examination and ethical interviews during law school to establish whether I
was capable of upholding the mores and ethics to which attorneys are
required, ideally, to adhere. I was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder after
the conclusion of my first semester of law school, but was not met with a
blanket proscription on the practice of law; instead, I remained an equal to
my classmates, a peer. Thus, as I underwent the same scrutiny as did my
fellow students, questions of the severity and impact of Bipolar Disorder
arose during an interview with a routine, pre-graduation panel of senior
attorneys arose. Those questions were answered and I was deemed ethically
capable of the practice of law. My question, then, is: how is it possible
that the same person who was deemed fit to practice law, potentially to go
on to personally handle the futures and fates of individuals and
corporations alike, is automatically deemed unfit to even potentially handle
a guide dog trained by SEGD?
I have written the school itself twice, and twice -- presumably because I
have a condition which, despite being controlled and well-managed, instantly
means I am unfit, unwell, unsound, and unwanted by that school -- my queries
have gone unanswered. They can, of course, continue to ignore me. But unless
this opinion is widely held, why is mine the sole voice expressing concern
with this policy?

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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 17:12:46 -0400
From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Opinion on SEGD Mental Illness Policy
Message-ID: <00e101d2e940$ccb246a0$6616d3e0$@verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="UTF-8"

Ash,

        Your voice is not the only one expressing concern with this policy. As we spoke about this on the phone when you first brought it to my attention, this policy is discriminatory and, as a place of public accommodation, is illegal under both state and federal law. I would like to discuss our next steps with you when you have the time to chat. Please give me a call. My contact information is below my signature.

Fraternally yours,
Marion


Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
National Federation of the Blind
(813) 626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG


The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds you back.


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ash Foster via NAGDU
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 2:49 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Cc: Ash Foster
Subject: [NAGDU] Opinion on SEGD Mental Illness Policy

 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Hello. I rarely post to the list although I very much enjoy it! I do hope it is OK I post this here. It is truly a draft I just wrote, but wanted to express something thaf has bothered me for a while, now. I mean no offense.
*
Coming into a community of individuals who all are, by social standards, disabled, it's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that this group of people will inherently be more accepting and understanding of other types of disabilities, illnesses, and conditions. It's equally as easy to fall victim to thinking that organizations serving this particular population will be less likely to target and discriminate against those among that populations who have co-existing conditions. It's easy to believe this surely must be a group of individuals among which certain stigmas and ignorance will be less prevalent.
And when reality hits, you quickly realize that simply because this community is made up of individuals sharing a common condition and those whose work it is to provide services to them, this means little when it comes to the understanding and education about anything other than their own affairs. People are people, so they say.
To make this a bit more relatable: please imagine if you will a guide dog training program which states in its paperwork and on its website that anyone with diabetes was not welcome to apply or a school which refuses communication with all individuals ever having suffered a stroke. This would be questioned and sincerely concerning for many, would it not? Imagine, then, the same school refused to engage in dialogue with a sincerely concerned, polite, respectful potential client or consumer of its services? Would this be offensive? I am this person. I have been gaslighted and ignored and have remained silent long enough. I can imagine few places, few non-profits which would be so broadly supported in blatant discriminatory behavior while hanging a virtual sign stating,  "you may qualify for our services, but because you are blind, we deem you incapable of responsible behavior." This would not be accepted, tacitly accepted and meekly complied with because individuals so feared being cast out by that organization they were willing to remain complicit in this behavior by their silence?
Why, then, is it acceptable for a prominent guide dog school to publicly and blatantly refuse to even consider admitting applicants who have a particular mental illness? In this case, that condition is Bipolar Disorder. Bipolar Disorder, as most conditions do, has varying degrees and varying presentations. Some are wholly disabled by it, while a far greater number of individuals with it are upstanding, capable members of society. So what is the justification for the reluctance to speak of, let alone address head-on, the ban imposed by Southeastern Guide Dogs on individuals with this disorder? As a former lawyer, I underwent quite a bit of background examination and ethical interviews during law school to establish whether I was capable of upholding the mores and ethics to which attorneys are required, ideally, to adhere. I was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder after the conclusion of my first semester of law school, but was not met with a blanket proscription on the practice of law; instead, I remained an equal to my classmates, a peer. Thus, as I underwent the same scrutiny as did my fellow students, questions of the severity and impact of Bipolar Disorder arose during an interview with a routine, pre-graduation panel of senior attorneys arose. Those questions were answered and I was deemed ethically capable of the practice of law. My question, then, is: how is it possible that the same person who was deemed fit to practice law, potentially to go on to personally handle the futures and fates of individuals and corporations alike, is automatically deemed unfit to even potentially handle a guide dog trained by SEGD?
I have written the school itself twice, and twice -- presumably because I have a condition which, despite being controlled and well-managed, instantly means I am unfit, unwell, unsound, and unwanted by that school -- my queries have gone unanswered. They can, of course, continue to ignore me. But unless this opinion is widely held, why is mine the sole voice expressing concern with this policy?

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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 17:17:31 -0400
From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [NAGDU] Julie: Please call me! was Guide dog accessories
Message-ID: <00e701d2e941$771bc3a0$65534ae0$@verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

Julie,

        When you have a few minutes, please give me a call so we can chat
about your sponsorship. My contact information is below my signature.

Marion





Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
National Federation of the Blind
(813) 626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG


The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
you back.


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via
NAGDU
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 12:24 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Julie Johnson
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Guide dog accessories

I like a little pouch to keep the pick up baggies in.  I'm sort of obsessed
with organization though.  I love my silicon travel bowls.
They stay in the suitcase so I never forget to pack.  Also love the grooming
mit.  It gets all the tender bits, the head, ears, legs, belly and tail.
the dogs also love the massaging effect.

I've purchased a lot of dog supplies from a lot of different places over the
years.  For the past couple of years I've been the product tester for my own
company, On The Go, that sells dog supplies.

You can check out my web site here:
http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com

or order from my shop in the blind Mice Mega Mall here:
<https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=19
16046>

Also, I'll be at the NAGDU meetings and in the exhibit hall at this years
convention.  I'll have quite a few of my products there, including
a few brand new things.   Please stop by and say hello!  I'd love to
meet you!
Julie


On 6/14/2017 3:06 PM, Miranda B. via NAGDU wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Beyond the normal food, water, pick-up bags, leash/harness, ETC needed for
> every dog guide, what other accessories have you found to be helpful and
> why? Moreover, what retailers would you recommend for products not
provided
> by the school?
>
> Thanks in advance for your time and assistance, and have a wonderful week!
>
>
>
> Best wishes, Miranda
>
>
>
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Message: 30
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 18:45:15 -0400
From: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
To: Heather Bird via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs
Message-ID: <009d0bd6-3f9e-13ca-093d-40fbcce054f8 at dcwein.cnc.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

I have heard of John Bi field over the years and know many people who
are impressd with him, and though I've never worked with him as a
client, I do like the guy when we've talked, I'm very glad he's coming
to the convention for the panel discussion.


Dan



On 6/19/2017 4:51 PM, Heather Bird via NAGDU wrote:
> John Bifield is truly amazing. He helped start the home training aspect of
> the GDF program. He helped start the Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation as well,
> turning it from a breeding program providing GSDs to various guide dog
> programs and other programs using GSDs into a guide dog training program in
> its own right, then he went to Freedom Guide Dogs, which like Fidelco is
> another purely home training program. He is really excellent. I cannot wait
> to meet him. He is a legend, seriously.
>
> Heather Bird
> "They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't
> a Communist.
> Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
> Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I
> wasn't a trade unionist.
> Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a
> Protestant.
> Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." -
> Martin Niem?ller
> In our diverse society we must never fail to speak up in the face of Human
> Rights violations lest we be the next targets of such violations.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NAGDU President
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:31 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: NAGDU President
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs
>
> Miranda,
>
>        My wife, Merry Schoch, has had two guide dogs from Freedom. The
> first did not work out but that was not the fault of the training program.
> Her current dog is a Collie/Lab cross and she will gladly tell you that, of
> the four dogs she has had from three different programs, it is the best dog
> she has had. John Byfield, literally the most experienced guide dog trainer
> in the world, is a trainer with Freedom and will be speaking during the
> NAGDU seminar on July 10. If you are planning on coming to our national
> convention, I would be happy to introduce you to John. If not, you can join
> us virtually through our live stream. More on the live stream will follow!
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>   Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National Federation of
> the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
> and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
> you back.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:06 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Miranda
> Subject: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs
>
> Hi everyone,
> First, let me preface this by stating that I am not wishing to put one
> school above another or cause any tension on this list. You have all been so
> helpful in answering my many questions, and I do not want to take advantage
> of that gracious assistance by any means.
> As I have been researching possible dog guide schools, one program that
> intrigues me is Freedom Guide Dogs, as they conduct at-home training. As a
> college student with some time commitments during the fall and spring
> semesters, this option seems appealing to me. However, I would like to
> obtain any feedback or experiences prior to pursuing this further.
> If you wish to contact me privately off list so as to not clutter the list
> or cause  trouble, please feel free to do so.
> My email is: knownoflove (at) gmail (dot) com.
> Again, I humbly apologize for any inconvenience this message may cause.
> Thanks as always for your time and assistance, and have a wonderful week!
>
> Best wishes, Miranda
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 31
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 18:10:23 -0500
From: "Charlene Ota" <caota4 at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Fourth of July
Message-ID: <009601d2e951$3b6763e0$b2362ba0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

Hi, Elise,  don't blame you for your concern either. My boy gets nervous
about the fireworks, too, so we stay home and I close up the house and run
the air conditioning to help dull the sounds as much as I can. I just stay
with him and check on him and talk to him periodically.  If it's
particularly bad, you could ask your vet for a mild tranquilizer for her to
help keepher more comfortable.

Charlene

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elise Berkley via
NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 11:28 AM
To: National Association for Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elise Berkley <bravaegf at hotmail.com>
Subject: [NAGDU] Fourth of July

Hello, everyone.

It has been a long time since I posted, but I do follow the topics. School
has kept Becky and I very busy. My problem is: Sometimes there are sounds
that seem to be gunshots or firecrackers. When Becky hears these sounds, her
head shoots straight up, then her whole body starts shaking, and sometimes
she will pant rapidly and I can feel her heart beating fast. I am so afraid
of how July 4th will affect her. Currently, I hug her very close to me, I
pet her from head to taqil, and I talk to her. What do you all suggest so I
can make July 4th as tolerable for her as possible. We never, never go out,
so these are sounds we hear from our apartment. Thanks for your help. I am
so concerned for my baby.

Elise Berkley
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Message: 32
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 19:14:28 -0400
From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs
Message-ID: <016301d2e951$cdc97340$695c59c0$@verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"

Yes, John has been a regular attendee to the NAGDU & FLAGDU meetings. He is
an awesome guide trainer and an awesome person!

Marion


Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
National Federation of the Blind
(813) 626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG


The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
you back.


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:54 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: Cindy Ray
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs

Didn't John speak at the NAGDU Meeting a couple years ago and also one year
when we were questioning the programs about ownership?
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmlail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather Bird via
NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:52 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Heather Bird <heather.l.bird at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs

John Bifield is truly amazing. He helped start the home training aspect of
the GDF program. He helped start the Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation as well,
turning it from a breeding program providing GSDs to various guide dog
programs and other programs using GSDs into a guide dog training program in
its own right, then he went to Freedom Guide Dogs, which like Fidelco is
another purely home training program. He is really excellent. I cannot wait
to meet him. He is a legend, seriously.

Heather Bird
"They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't
a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I
wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a
Protestant.
Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." -
Martin Niem?ller In our diverse society we must never fail to speak up in
the face of Human Rights violations lest we be the next targets of such
violations.

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NAGDU President
via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:31 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: NAGDU President
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs

Miranda,

        My wife, Merry Schoch, has had two guide dogs from Freedom. The
first did not work out but that was not the fault of the training program.
Her current dog is a Collie/Lab cross and she will gladly tell you that, of
the four dogs she has had from three different programs, it is the best dog
she has had. John Byfield, literally the most experienced guide dog trainer
in the world, is a trainer with Freedom and will be speaking during the
NAGDU seminar on July 10. If you are planning on coming to our national
convention, I would be happy to introduce you to John. If not, you can join
us virtually through our live stream. More on the live stream will follow!

Fraternally yours,
Marion
 Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National Federation of
the Blind
(813) 626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG


The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
you back.


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:06 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Cc: Miranda
Subject: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs

Hi everyone,
First, let me preface this by stating that I am not wishing to put one
school above another or cause any tension on this list. You have all been so
helpful in answering my many questions, and I do not want to take advantage
of that gracious assistance by any means.
As I have been researching possible dog guide schools, one program that
intrigues me is Freedom Guide Dogs, as they conduct at-home training. As a
college student with some time commitments during the fall and spring
semesters, this option seems appealing to me. However, I would like to
obtain any feedback or experiences prior to pursuing this further.
If you wish to contact me privately off list so as to not clutter the list
or cause  trouble, please feel free to do so.
My email is: knownoflove (at) gmail (dot) com.
Again, I humbly apologize for any inconvenience this message may cause.
Thanks as always for your time and assistance, and have a wonderful week!

Best wishes, Miranda



Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 33
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 21:29:12 -0400
From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
        <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs
Message-ID: <17C5554F-3D3E-4E39-8536-91E74F8E4A09 at brannan.name>
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Agreed. I had the opportunity to meet him in January, and he complimented the Hildabeast. I could talk to that guy for hours. He was literally mobbed with people who wanted to talk to him, many of whom were former or current students, but no doubt a lot of fan boys/girls like myself. The guy's amazing, and amazingly humble too. Pushing 80 and still out every day with dogs and humans. He had a 14- or 15-month-old poodle that was about halfway through training. Anyway, don't pass up an opportunity to meet this living legend (something he'd probably laugh at if he heard us saying so).

--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: 814-860-3194
Mobile: 814-431-0962
Email: buddy at brannan.name




> On Jun 19, 2017, at 7:14 PM, NAGDU President via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Yes, John has been a regular attendee to the NAGDU & FLAGDU meetings. He is
> an awesome guide trainer and an awesome person!
>
> Marion
>
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
> National Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
> and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
> you back.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 4:54 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs
>
> Didn't John speak at the NAGDU Meeting a couple years ago and also one year
> when we were questioning the programs about ownership?
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmlail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather Bird via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:52 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Heather Bird <heather.l.bird at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs
>
> John Bifield is truly amazing. He helped start the home training aspect of
> the GDF program. He helped start the Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation as well,
> turning it from a breeding program providing GSDs to various guide dog
> programs and other programs using GSDs into a guide dog training program in
> its own right, then he went to Freedom Guide Dogs, which like Fidelco is
> another purely home training program. He is really excellent. I cannot wait
> to meet him. He is a legend, seriously.
>
> Heather Bird
> "They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't
> a Communist.
> Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
> Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I
> wasn't a trade unionist.
> Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a
> Protestant.
> Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." -
> Martin Niem?ller In our diverse society we must never fail to speak up in
> the face of Human Rights violations lest we be the next targets of such
> violations.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NAGDU President
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:31 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: NAGDU President
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs
>
> Miranda,
>
>        My wife, Merry Schoch, has had two guide dogs from Freedom. The
> first did not work out but that was not the fault of the training program.
> Her current dog is a Collie/Lab cross and she will gladly tell you that, of
> the four dogs she has had from three different programs, it is the best dog
> she has had. John Byfield, literally the most experienced guide dog trainer
> in the world, is a trainer with Freedom and will be speaking during the
> NAGDU seminar on July 10. If you are planning on coming to our national
> convention, I would be happy to introduce you to John. If not, you can join
> us virtually through our live stream. More on the live stream will follow!
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National Federation of
> the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
> and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
> you back.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:06 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Miranda
> Subject: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs
>
> Hi everyone,
> First, let me preface this by stating that I am not wishing to put one
> school above another or cause any tension on this list. You have all been so
> helpful in answering my many questions, and I do not want to take advantage
> of that gracious assistance by any means.
> As I have been researching possible dog guide schools, one program that
> intrigues me is Freedom Guide Dogs, as they conduct at-home training. As a
> college student with some time commitments during the fall and spring
> semesters, this option seems appealing to me. However, I would like to
> obtain any feedback or experiences prior to pursuing this further.
> If you wish to contact me privately off list so as to not clutter the list
> or cause  trouble, please feel free to do so.
> My email is: knownoflove (at) gmail (dot) com.
> Again, I humbly apologize for any inconvenience this message may cause.
> Thanks as always for your time and assistance, and have a wonderful week!
>
> Best wishes, Miranda
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 34
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 22:55:28 -0500
From: "Charlene Ota" <caota4 at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs
Message-ID: <012901d2e979$0e997ba0$2bcc72e0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"

I'm just curious, is Freedom Guide Dogs part of the Guide Dog Federation?
I'm probably not calling that organization of guide dog schools the exact
proper title and I apologize, but am just curious.

Charlene

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Heather Bird via
NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:52 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Heather Bird <heather.l.bird at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs

John Bifield is truly amazing. He helped start the home training aspect of
the GDF program. He helped start the Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation as well,
turning it from a breeding program providing GSDs to various guide dog
programs and other programs using GSDs into a guide dog training program in
its own right, then he went to Freedom Guide Dogs, which like Fidelco is
another purely home training program. He is really excellent. I cannot wait
to meet him. He is a legend, seriously.

Heather Bird
"They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't
a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I
wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a
Protestant.
Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." -
Martin Niem?ller
In our diverse society we must never fail to speak up in the face of Human
Rights violations lest we be the next targets of such violations.

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NAGDU President
via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:31 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: NAGDU President
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs

Miranda,

        My wife, Merry Schoch, has had two guide dogs from Freedom. The
first did not work out but that was not the fault of the training program.
Her current dog is a Collie/Lab cross and she will gladly tell you that, of
the four dogs she has had from three different programs, it is the best dog
she has had. John Byfield, literally the most experienced guide dog trainer
in the world, is a trainer with Freedom and will be speaking during the
NAGDU seminar on July 10. If you are planning on coming to our national
convention, I would be happy to introduce you to John. If not, you can join
us virtually through our live stream. More on the live stream will follow!

Fraternally yours,
Marion
 Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National Federation of
the Blind
(813) 626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG


The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind  people
and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
you back.


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:06 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Cc: Miranda
Subject: [NAGDU] Freedom Guide Dogs

Hi everyone,
First, let me preface this by stating that I am not wishing to put one
school above another or cause any tension on this list. You have all been so
helpful in answering my many questions, and I do not want to take advantage
of that gracious assistance by any means.
As I have been researching possible dog guide schools, one program that
intrigues me is Freedom Guide Dogs, as they conduct at-home training. As a
college student with some time commitments during the fall and spring
semesters, this option seems appealing to me. However, I would like to
obtain any feedback or experiences prior to pursuing this further.
If you wish to contact me privately off list so as to not clutter the list
or cause  trouble, please feel free to do so.
My email is: knownoflove (at) gmail (dot) com.
Again, I humbly apologize for any inconvenience this message may cause.
Thanks as always for your time and assistance, and have a wonderful week!

Best wishes, Miranda



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