[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 147, Issue 23

Mardi Hadfield wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com
Wed Jun 28 03:37:30 UTC 2017


Hi every one, I am just catching up on emails so for give me for replying
to this one but I felt I had to put in my 2 cents. I retired my guide Nala
when Shaman became my guide. Nala was not happy being retired and sulked
when I took Shaman and left her home. I had wanted her to have time to just
be a dog,but when she brought her harness to me when she saw me harnessing
Shaman, I felt that she would be happier if I worked her at least
sometimes.So I told people who asked, that she was semi-retired. I own my
home and property,so I was not going to charge myself a pet deposit. She
was indeed,semi-retired,because she wanted it that way. She never did
retire fully as she died, while still working part time.Then when Shaman's
allergies became severe and he could only work on some days when he was not
so bad, I called him semi-retired.He did work part time when his allergies
were not so bad. He was put on special food and vitamins and medication and
was able to work part time,while I was training Neechee. Even after Neechee
was fully trained,I still worked Shaman on some occasions as he enjoyed
going out to work. Mostly to the grocery store or the park or just for a
walk. He is now totally retired and is happy with just being a dog. I never
claimed my dogs were semi-retired for any reason than that they did not
want to fully retire and I wanted them to be happy.  Mardi and
Shaman,retired and Neechee,GD and Sedona,GDIT.

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 5:00 AM, <nagdu-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Send NAGDU mailing list submissions to
>         nagdu at nfbnet.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         nagdu-request at nfbnet.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         nagdu-owner at nfbnet.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of NAGDU digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: Ethics, Law, & Your Public Comments: Was Retired Dogs &
>       Rent (Julie Johnson)
>    2. Re: Retired Dogs & Rent (Sherry Gomes)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 05:31:08 -0500
> From: Julie Johnson <julielj402 at gmail.com>
> To: Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Ethics, Law, & Your Public Comments: Was Retired
>         Dogs & Rent
> Message-ID: <7c7acec7-3716-1fe1-a307-32342dfb2f86 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> So what then is the difference between working part time and semi
> retired?  I'm honestly curious.  It seems like 6 of one and a half dozen
> of the other.  Just different words to describe the same thing.
>
> On the thunderstorm example...it is fairly common practice to leave a
> working guide at home from time to time if the person feels that the
> event isn't appropriate for their particular dog, or to practice cane
> skills, or to give the dog an opportunity to practice being alone.  A
> mishap at home can occur  no matter what the status of the dog.
>
>
> Julie
> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
>
>
>
> On 6/21/2017 8:50 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU wrote:
> > The only thing I would say about this semi-retired thing is that people
> > don't get it. Let's imagine that you aren't paying a pet deposit because
> > your dog is a guide except that now he is semi-retired. Let's imagine he
> was
> > left alone in the apartment and, say, a thunderstorm came up and those
> freak
> > im out. Let's imagine you have not seen this fact in him before, but
> suppose
> > he tore up the place in a panic while he was at home enjoying
> > semi-retirement. Would you then offer to pay for the damage? Might the
> > landlord not think that you were being a bit flexible of the dog's place
> in
> > life? I think I would not differentiate between retired and working
> unless
> > he is truly retired. If the dog was having problems where he couldn't
> always
> > work, I would just say he's my guide if he were still working in that
> > capacity.
> >
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
> Gallacher
> > via NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 8:29 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Jordan Gallacher <jordanandbelto at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Ethics, Law, & Your Public Comments: Was Retired
> Dogs &
> > Rent
> >
> > Semi retired means only working part time due to old age or helth.  So, I
> > don't think there is any problem in doing what I said.
> > Jordan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> > NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 8:18 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Cc: Cindy Ray
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Ethics, Law, & Your Public Comments: Was Retired
> Dogs &
> > Rent
> >
> > I would have to agree with President Gwizdala on this semi-retired
> business.
> > I had a dog who was retired once in about 2006. I retired him during my
> > first semester at the seminary. I missed him terribly. The school gave me
> > permission to bring him back to stay at the school with me because he had
> > been my companion. I kept him there the rest of the semester, but I
> learned
> > some interesting and eye-opening things.
> > 1) Since he was retired or even semi-retired, he wouldn't be going to
> class
> > with me but, rather, would stay in my room. He was not destructive, but
> this
> > fact alone had totally changed the relationship between him, me, and the
> > school for that matter.
> >
> > 2) If I went to someone's room/apartment because they had a get-together
> or
> > a party, they could ask me not to bring him, and I would need to comply.
> It
> > would have been wrong for me to argue this point.
> >
> > 3) There was a pet policy at my seminary. There was a weight limit, and
> all
> > of the pets had to live in a certain building. I did not live in that
> > building, and my dog was larger than the pet limit by spades no matter
> where
> > we stayed.
> >
> > 4) People were staying there at the school during the week; then many
> went
> > home for the weekend. They missed their pets that couldn't come along,
> and
> > there was a little sense of unfairness about it. It occurred to me just
> how
> > unfair it was that my dog was there. He wasn't a guide anymore, he was a
> > pet. So I made the decision to leave him at home after about six weeks.
> It
> > had helped me through a difficult time, but I had risked my relationships
> > with many I think.
> >
> > My current dog is actually retired. One day I had him work me to the
> > dentist, but I didn't hide the fact that he was actually retired. He was
> in
> > harness doing what he was supposed to do. I used him because with large
> tree
> > equipment outside I couldn't hear if there was traffic or not. I'm not
> sure
> > it was ethical for me to do this; I did not lie about who he was, and the
> > dentist regarded him as a guide. This is not something I would make a
> > practice of because I think he either is retired or he isn't. If I were
> in a
> > situation where pet deposits were required,  I would pay it because
> Fisher
> > is now a pet. Carrying that further, I suppose I would have to find a new
> > place to live if there was a size limit on the pet or the pet wasn't
> allowed
> > at all, though if I were in a lease situation I might negotiate a
> > satisfactory way to deal with the remainder of the lease, depending on
> the
> > terms of it.
> >
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NAGDU
> President
> > via NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 7:10 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: NAGDU President <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Ethics, Law, & Your Public Comments: Was Retired Dogs &
> > Rent
> >
> >       In graduate school I was required to take a course in ethics. The
> > professor defined ethics as "compliance with the unenforceable". I
> believe
> > this is as much a matter of ethics as it is a matter of law. In my
> opinion,
> > taking advantage of the law by calling a retired service dog "semi
> retired"
> > is unethical, as well as illegal.  How is this different than those who
> take
> > advantage of the law that provides us access to places of public
> > accommodation with our service dog by misrepresenting their pet as a
> service
> > dog? It is no different when we call our retired service dog semi
> retired in
> > order to avoid paying a pet deposit. Folks, we can't have it both ways!
> We
> > cannot ask for those who misrepresent their pets as service dogs to not
> do
> > so if we are willing to act the same way.
> >
> >       I also want to remind everyone that this list is publicly archived
> > on the internet. What you say and how you represent yourself is here for
> the
> > entire world to read. If you are willing to compromise your integrity by
> > suggesting someone act in a manner contrary to ethics and law, you are
> > telling the world a lot about yourself. Is this the way you want others
> to
> > think of you?
> > Marion Gwizdala, President
> > National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National Federation
> of
> > the Blind
> > (813) 626-2789
> > President at NAGDU.ORG
> >
> >
> > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
> > expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
> people
> > and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what
> holds
> > you back.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan
> Gallacher
> > via NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 6:04 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Cc: Jordan Gallacher
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Retired Dogs & Rent
> >
> > Here is what my instructor said about that.  Semi retire the dog since
> you
> > can have two service animals with no problems.  That is what I would do.
> > Jordan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nancy
> VanderBrink
> > via NAGDU
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 4:32 PM
> > To: Nancy VanderBrink via Nagdu
> > Cc: Nancy VanderBrink
> > Subject: [NAGDU] Retired Dogs & Rent
> >
> > Hey folks,
> > So a question was asked on a group i follow and wondered what you guys
> knew.
> >
> > So, if you're renting either a house or apartment with your current
> guide.
> > I'm going to assume you're not paying a pet fee.
> >
> > Folks that have done this before, after you retire your guide; do you
> have
> > to pay a pet fee if you keep your guide, do you have to then pay a pet
> fee?
> >
> > Just curious to know what you've experienced.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nancy
> >
> > Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
> > voice dictation Nancy Irwin
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NAGDU mailing list
> > NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/
> jordanandbelto%40gmail.co
> > m
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NAGDU mailing list
> > NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/
> blind411%40verizon.net
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NAGDU mailing list
> > NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cindyray%40gmail.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NAGDU mailing list
> > NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/
> jordanandbelto%40gmail.co
> > m
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NAGDU mailing list
> > NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cindyray%40gmail.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NAGDU mailing list
> > NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/
> julielj402%40gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 04:56:13 -0600
> From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
>         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Retired Dogs & Rent
> Message-ID: <374001d2eb46$2aab8e90$8002abb0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> A few years ago, before I bought my condo, I was living in a pet-friendly
> apartment complex, but of course with monthly pent rent charges. I wasn't
> charged at all, of course, for my working dog. When my retired dog came
> home
> to me, I told the manager and asked if I needed to pay a pet deposit and
> doggy rent. She talked to the owners and they decided they wouldn't charge
> me for the retired dog. I was prepared to pay the monthly fee if they had,
> but I was glad they didn't. I think it would be an individual apartment
> management's decision, but technically, once retired the dog isn't a
> service
> animal of any kind, so a person should be prepared to pay pet fees in
> rental
> situations.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Melissa R Green
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 8:35 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Melissa R Green <graduate56 at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Retired Dogs & Rent
>
> That is a really good question.
> I would assume that the retired dog is charged as a pet fee.  I know in
> Colorado we looked at may be having some kind of law for retired guides to
> have some access rights.  But we only researched it.
>
>
>
> Best,
> Melissa R. Green And Pj
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nancy VanderBrink via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 3:32 PM
> To: Nancy VanderBrink via Nagdu
> Cc: Nancy VanderBrink
> Subject: [NAGDU] Retired Dogs & Rent
>
> Hey folks,
> So a question was asked on a group i follow and wondered what you guys
> knew.
>
> So, if you're renting either a house or apartment with your current guide.
> I'm going to assume you're not paying a pet fee.
>
> Folks that have done this before, after you retire your guide; do you have
> to pay a pet fee if you keep your guide, do you have to then pay a pet
> fee?
>
> Just curious to know what you've experienced.
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy
>
> Please forgive the typos as this message was most likely generated using
> voice dictation
> Nancy Irwin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NAGDU mailing list
> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/graduate56%40juno.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NAGDU mailing list
> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> NAGDU:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sherriola%40gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Digest Footer
>
> _______________________________________________
> NAGDU mailing list
> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of NAGDU Digest, Vol 147, Issue 23
> **************************************
>



-- 
http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com



More information about the NAGDU mailing list