[NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my apartment complex

Sun Mar 5 16:53:40 UTC 2017

Hi Aleeha,
I'm with Tracy on this one. No means no in several languages, so I would just say it firmly and loudly to the kids.

Alysha

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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my apartment complex

Hi Aleeha.
Would you consider trying the not-nice approach?
Put on your mean face.  Stare angrily at the kids, if you can.  Say fiercely "Go away!  Stop bothering me!"  Make strong shooing motions.  This doesn't require language; animals understand it.  It could upset your dog, but no more than corrections do.  And the kids might get the idea. Or their parents might hear someone talking sharply to their kids, and get the idea.
I know people want to be nice, especially to little kids, but sometimes you have to tell people to just knock it off.
Tracy, the mean old lady

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From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Belville via NAGDU
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my apartment complex

Aleeha, this sounds like a hard thing to handle.  The language barrier will make any kind of educating difficult if not impossible.  do the kids bombard you and your dog if you come to your door with other people?  Would it be possible to have a friend come with you so they could describe the children so you could use this to find their parents?  your friend could also use their phone to video what's happening in case things escalate.  I hope they won't, but this sounds like it could go to another level if it's not dealt with early.

And yes, correcting your dog constantly probably won't help if you can't get across to the kids the idea that the dog is working. Sometimes it helps to show them that the dog will get in trouble if it isn't listening to you, but it doesn't sound like this will work for you.

Good luck.
Lisa Belville
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my apartment complex

> I’m sorry, but these kids don’t speak English, so explaining it to 
> them is not an option. And, I don’t see how my career choices have 
> much to do with it, as I am not in a building at all, but rather 
> outside of my apartment with real consequences if this dog is too distracted.
>
>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Becky Frankeberger via NAGDU 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Julie, educate the kids. Give them candy and ask them to 
>> sit down and you teach them with coloring books that are out there 
>> about guide dogs. Tell them to sit and wait giving them candy or 
>> cookies while you take the dog. Hand out to them to wait while 
>> Whitley parks, or you go down the steps, then another candy or cookie 
>> reward for being so good, the kids that is. But really Julie had the 
>> best idea. Get used to it if you are going to be a vet. Sometimes 
>> they listen and sometimes not. But the book should help the parents teach the kids, well I hope anyway.
>>
>> Treats of crackers, pretzels, cookies, candy, life savers, nothing 
>> with a stick they might get hurt.
>>
>> Becky and Jake still pawing around
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha 
>> Dudley via NAGDU
>> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 3:58 PM
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>> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NAGDU] need suggestions re kids without supervision in my 
>> apartment complex
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I have an interesting situation in my apartment complex that I would 
>> like your thoughts about.
>> All the apartments in this building face a central grass courtyard. 
>> Every day, someone allows their two very small, non-English speaking 
>> children to run and play in that yard without direct supervision. If 
>> I am outside with my dog, these kids come racing over, and start distracting my dog.
>> They stare at her, squeal, run around us, stick their hands out and 
>> then run away, and otherwise taunt her. I have tried on various 
>> occasions to ask them to stop, shake my head, etc, but nothing has 
>> worked. It’s been bad enough at times that I literally can’t do 
>> anything without these kids following us and distracting Whitley.
>> Unfortunately, i cannot easily unlock my door with them around, 
>> because Whitley is always trying to watch them to see what they are 
>> doing. I know that I could and should do some more work with Whitley 
>> on child distractions, but I feel like some of this is not her fault.
>> Staring is competitive and playful body language to a dog, and, in that situation, she can’t help but react.
>> Also, I feel like these kids are interfering with her work and could 
>> well get us hurt, especially since there are big, wrought iron 
>> staircases on the outside of the building that just out over the edge 
>> of the sidewalk and could do some serious damage to my head if 
>> Whitley was not paying attention. Do any of you have any thoughts? I 
>> have called my landlord once, but the had no success.
>> Thanks,
>> Aleeha
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