[NAGDU] OFF NAGDU List ownership

[Cindy Ray]

Oh, I was thinking what he thought.

Cindy Lou Ray
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OFF NAGDU List ownership

Hey Jeff, 
I think she was referring to South Eastern as se. 

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> On May 19, 2017, at 9:02 PM, Jeffrey Young via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hi Brenda, 
> Your message intended for Marian went to the entire list. Just letting you
know. 
> I would however, like to hear of a TSE handlers dog being repossessed, as
TSE grants unconditional ownership upon graduation. Therefore, such an
action would constitute theft under the law, and the handler would have
legal recourse,  which is not the case when a school does not grant
ownership. 
> 
> Jeff Young
> 
>> On May 19, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Brenda via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Marion,
>> 
>> I'm writing off list.
>> 
>> In a perfect world all guide dog schools would give instant ownership.
Because I'm not impressed with the schools that do, and those I am
interested in do not, I am willing to make compromises. Also, I have heard
from someone who had their TSE guide removed and TSE gives full ownership so
it would appear even with full ownership there could be issues.
>> 
>> I respect and agree with you about ownership, but practical application
wins out for me. The benefits will have to outweigh the risks as it were.
>> 
>> I do respect your opinion so am sharing my comments and questions with
you.
>> 
>> Southeastern has in addition to the 11-yr retirement rule, a provision
where they can reclaim the dog before 5 years if the team isn't working.  I
realize there is an expense to train a dog, but it is one more trauma for a
handler who may have a situation where they can no longer work - if they had
full ownership, this would not happen. I think they also have some other
stipulations regarding ownership. My friend who has a guide from
Southeastern said they have had incidents where they felt it necessary to
make these provisions.
>> 
>> I am curious if you could tell me if you have ever run across a recent
situation where a handler from Guiding Eyes for the Blind had their dog
removed?   If so, can you give me a summary of what happened? I can ask GEB,
but I am interested in an outside source such as yourself.
>> 
>> I have not made a final decision, and appreciate your input.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Brenda
>> 
>> 
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