[NAGDU] OFF NAGDU List ownership

[Cindy Ray]

You don't opt to take ownership at TSE. You own the dog upon departure. If
something happens that for some reason it isn't working out in the first
year, you return it and they issue you anoher dog. You pay no fee and it is
a replacement dog, considered the dog you owned in the first place. If it is
longer than that, you can opt to return to the dog and start over, or you
could retire it and find it a home. The one dog I had like that I returned
because I thought he could be reissued to someone whose temperament matched
his better. He was just at the age where this was a good option. I think he
might have been placed, but I never knew. 

Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com


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From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Charlene Ota via
NAGDU
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 11:42 PM
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Cc: Charlene Ota <caota4 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OFF NAGDU List ownership

One more thing about Seeing Eye and ownership. I got a dog from Seeing Eye
granted it's been a long time ago, and opted to take ownership of him. He
was a wonderful dog, he just had terrible allergies living in the climate
where I was living at the time. There wasn't much we could do about his
situation so Seeing Eye took him back and if I'm not mistaken he was
reissued as well. I would think even with ownership, there are friendly
situations where the dog is returned for good reasons.

Charlene

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wayne & Harley
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Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 9:36 PM
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Cc: Wayne & Harley <k9dad at k9di.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OFF NAGDU List ownership

Hello Brenda,
As Jeff mentioned, your message to Marion went to the entire list.
Secondly, from what my understanding is. TSSE cannot reclaim a dog, but,
they can refer a case of suspected abuse/neglect to local Animal Control
officials.

Wayne And Harey


On 5/19/2017 8:21 PM, Brenda via NAGDU wrote:
> Hi Marion,
>
> I'm writing off list.
>
> In a perfect world all guide dog schools would give instant ownership. 
> Because I'm not impressed with the schools that do, and those I am 
> interested in do not, I am willing to make compromises. Also, I have 
> heard from someone who had their TSE guide removed and TSE gives full 
> ownership so it would appear even with full ownership there could be 
> issues.
>
> I respect and agree with you about ownership, but practical 
> application wins out for me. The benefits will have to outweigh the 
> risks as it were.
>
> I do respect your opinion so am sharing my comments and questions with 
> you.
>
> Southeastern has in addition to the 11-yr retirement rule, a provision 
> where they can reclaim the dog before 5 years if the team isn't 
> working.  I realize there is an expense to train a dog, but it is one 
> more trauma for a handler who may have a situation where they can no 
> longer work - if they had full ownership, this would not happen. I 
> think they also have some other stipulations regarding ownership. My 
> friend who has a guide from Southeastern said they have had incidents 
> where they felt it necessary to make these provisions.
>
> I am curious if you could tell me if you have ever run across a recent 
> situation where a handler from Guiding Eyes for the Blind had their
> dog removed?   If so, can you give me a summary of what happened? I 
> can ask GEB, but I am interested in an outside source such as yourself.
>
> I have not made a final decision, and appreciate your input.
>
> Sincerely,
> Brenda
>
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