[NAGDU] kind of off topic: movie War Dogs

Fri May 26 23:12:16 UTC 2017

Yeah, I saw that movie.  It was on PBS and I recorded it years ago.  It was 
so upsetting I haven't watched it since.  Essentially, those dogs were 
considered military equipment so the dogs were treated like a tank or 
helmets and were just left behind when the war ended.  I think part of the 
problem was how that war ended.  It was quick and they were lucky to get 
most of the South Vietnamese out with the Americans at the embassy.  It was 
unfortunate for the dogs. Things are different now.  There are organizations 
who raise money to ship a military service dog home to the handler IF that 
dog cannot work for a new handler.  Many of these dogs could be rehabbed to 
living in a civilian environment and are safe.  Many are Labs or other 
mixes. Some have been returned to people here in San Diego and do well.

Lyn and Aristotle
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Ownership in Germany - for Rebecca and everyone who's 
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> Lisa, I haven't read your note, though I do
> thank you for sending it.
> I'm wondering if the schools model themselves off of how the military used
> to treat their dogs.
> If anybody wants to watch a show that will make you cry, watch the program
> War Dogs. It goes into detail about the Vietnam War and the men who used
> dogs and how these dogs were treated after the war, and the impact that
> treatment had on their handlers.
>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Ownership in Germany - for Rebecca and everyone who's
> interested
>
> Wow, Lisa, this arrangement has the potential to be very damaging if an
> insurance company decided to assert their ownership rights.  what happens
> when your dog retires or if it becomes too sick to work?  Do they have a 
> say
> so in what happens then?
>
> I guess I'm glad we don't have this system here even if we don't have 
> decent
> healthcare.  Woops, not wanting to be political, but just imagining how it
> would be if guide dogs were handled by our healthcare and insurance 
> systems.
>
> Lisa
>
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1217 at frontier.com
> I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and
> procrastinate all at once.
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:39 AM
> Subject: [NAGDU] Ownership in Germany - for Rebecca and everyone who's
> interested
>
>
>> Hi Rebecca,
>>
>>
>> you asked if I could explain how ownership is handled in Germany. I'll
>> try. ;-)
>>
>>
>> Over here, a guide dog is listed as an aid to midigate a disability
>> like a wheelchair or a cane. This means health insurance pays for the
>> dog. You have to get a prescription from your eye specialist, find
>> yourself a school that suits you and then apply for cost acquision
>> with your health insurance company. In most cases, this is a long and
>> annoying process because many people get denied at first. Not because
>> of concerns regarding your ability to take care of a dog but because
>> of the high costs a guide dog brings. But anyway, after you succeeded
>> in applying and also in training with your new guide, your health
>> insurance company becomes the owner of the dog. They remain the owner
>> until you retire your dog. Then you can either keep it and become the
>> owner yourself or find him/her a home.
>>
>> There are only two schools in Germany that handle ownership differently.
>> They remain owner of the dog and the health insurance still pays for
>> the dog.
>>
>> The big difference to the US is, in my understanding, that we don't
>> have the opportunity to get ownership for our working dogs at all.
>>
>>
>> I should also add that even though your health insurance company is
>> the owner of the dog in most cases they don't care about it much. I
>> have to send in documents that say Taylor gets vaccinated once a year,
>> a worm preventative twice a year and I have a liability insurance for
>> him. Apart from that, they aren't interested in what I'm doing with my
> dog.
>>
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>>
>>
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