[NAGDU] OFF NAGDU List ownership

Sat May 27 00:58:46 UTC 2017

Hi folks,
I have had dogs from Seeing Eye for many years now and have never heard of 
any dog being repossessed by TSE.  When you leave the school, your ownership 
begins as we have no contracts or graduations.  Once at home, the only way 
TSE can have a dog removed from a graduate is through the person's home 
Humane Society or Animal Control.  The issue is taken care of just like it 
is for any dog owner.

Lyn and Aristotle
"Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "NAGDU President via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OFF NAGDU List ownership

> Brenda,
>
> Since the incident you mention was hearsay, it is very difficult to
> make a comment. I think that any repossession by TSE would be either very
> improbable or a very serious issue. Whichever it is, I believe there is 
> much
> more to the story.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
> National Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind 
> people
> and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what 
> holds
> you back.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brenda via 
> NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:15 PM
> To: The Pawpower Pack via NAGDU
> Cc: Brenda
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] OFF NAGDU List ownership
>
> Hey Rox,
>
> No, someone told me there were situations at TSE a few years ago.
> brenda
>
> On 5/19/2017 10:09 PM, The Pawpower Pack via NAGDU wrote:
>> Hey Jeff,
>> I think she was referring to South Eastern as se.
>>
>>   Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 19, 2017, at 9:02 PM, Jeffrey Young via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Brenda,
>>> Your message intended for Marian went to the entire list. Just letting
> you know.
>>> I would however, like to hear of a TSE handlers dog being repossessed, 
>>> as
> TSE grants unconditional ownership upon graduation. Therefore, such an
> action would constitute theft under the law, and the handler would have
> legal recourse,  which is not the case when a school does not grant
> ownership.
>>>
>>> Jeff Young
>>>
>>>> On May 19, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Brenda via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Marion,
>>>>
>>>> I'm writing off list.
>>>>
>>>> In a perfect world all guide dog schools would give instant ownership.
> Because I'm not impressed with the schools that do, and those I am
> interested in do not, I am willing to make compromises. Also, I have heard
> from someone who had their TSE guide removed and TSE gives full ownership 
> so
> it would appear even with full ownership there could be issues.
>>>>
>>>> I respect and agree with you about ownership, but practical application
> wins out for me. The benefits will have to outweigh the risks as it were.
>>>>
>>>> I do respect your opinion so am sharing my comments and questions with
> you.
>>>>
>>>> Southeastern has in addition to the 11-yr retirement rule, a provision
> where they can reclaim the dog before 5 years if the team isn't working. 
> I
> realize there is an expense to train a dog, but it is one more trauma for 
> a
> handler who may have a situation where they can no longer work - if they 
> had
> full ownership, this would not happen. I think they also have some other
> stipulations regarding ownership. My friend who has a guide from
> Southeastern said they have had incidents where they felt it necessary to
> make these provisions.
>>>>
>>>> I am curious if you could tell me if you have ever run across a recent
> situation where a handler from Guiding Eyes for the Blind had their dog
> removed?   If so, can you give me a summary of what happened? I can ask 
> GEB,
> but I am interested in an outside source such as yourself.
>>>>
>>>> I have not made a final decision, and appreciate your input.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Brenda
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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