[NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

Tara Briggs thflute at gmail.com
Mon Nov 27 15:25:25 UTC 2017 

 So what should happen to people in prison system? I ask this because the majority of them will be released into society. Here’s a hypothetical situation but I’m curious what you always think of it. Will call him George, and he is in prison. George is in prison because he started using marijuana. He started using marijuana at a young age. He had chronic pain from say a farming accident. In order to support his chronic pain, George became a drug dealer. He sold marijuana to other people. Some used recreationally and others use it for chronic pain or epilepsy. Eventually George’s crimes caught up with him and he is now in prison. Well in prison George becomes a puppy raiser. Eventually George is released. FaceTime in prison has given him a deep love of dogs and a deep love of what they can do for people. George is now out of prison. He has discovered in himself a lot of animals in love teaching. He is working to rebuild his life and his goal is to be an instructor for one of the guide dog schools. Should George be able to accomplish the stream? I would love to hear everyone’s thoughts on my hypothetical situation. But I would respectfully point out this is actually based on the true situation of a gentleman who is a paraplegic in prison.

 Michael  Pelletier. You can Google him if you want to hear his full story. On the other hand I do see what you mean. There are certain people that I would not want training my dog. I wouldn’t want someone who was in prison for abusing animals training my dog. I wouldn’t want someone who was in prison for rape or pedophilia training my dog. Anyway I look forward to this further discussion. 
Tara
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> On Nov 27, 2017, at 8:04 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Hi Sherry:
> 
> I agree with you.  When I was asked by a school if I would accept a dog 
> raised in a prison I told the trainer absolutely no!  If it was the best 
> guide dog that ever was, I would not accept a prison raised dog.  I cannot 
> imagine my sweet golden girl raised by a criminal,  what an awful thought. 
> Just the thought of these innocent puppies raised by a criminal is 
> disgusting and unacceptable to me.  The thinking these days is to rehab 
> prisoners but to me all it is a way for them to get free educations, time 
> off for completing their education and raising puppies is a privilege.  If 
> they had not committed a crime they could go to school or get any job 
> including working with dogs.  However, I think the guide and service dog 
> schools should not allow these precious puppies near this criminals.  They 
> need to place the puppies in safe loving homes not in a prison!  I cannot 
> believe that the schools find themselves so desperate that they resort to 
> allowing criminals near these puppies.  Shame on you guide and service dog 
> schools! Please,  please think of the safety of your puppies!  I know both 
> of us will get angry messages from the monitor of the list as well as other 
> list members but this is a free country with freedom of speech so you and I 
> are entitled to our opinion on this subject.
> 
> Sandra Johnson and precious golden Eva
> SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
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> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Sherry Gomes via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:11 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Sherry Gomes
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker
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> I took one of my dogs to prison with my church choir a long long time ago.
> We went to a minimum security prison. The guys were very happy to see my
> dog. Another time, I went with my cousin to see her ex-husband, who was in
> San Quentin for drug charges. We met in a big room with lots of prisoners
> and their guests, and one woman asked if her husband could say hi to my dog.
> He was a lifer and had already been there 15 years so hadn't seen a dog in a
> very long time. He cried and cried when he petted my dog. Having said all
> that, I would not want a dog raised in prison. I knew a woman who had one,
> and the dog was fabulous. But years ago, I read the book small Miracles by
> ann Rule. Near the end, she mentioned that on one of her visits to Diane
> Downs for interviews, Downs was raising a puppy to be a service dog. Downs
> never showed any remorse about murdering one of her children and trying to
> murder all three. So I felt she had no right to the privilege of raising a
> dog. If GDB ever started having their dogs raised in prison, I'd tell them I
> definitely do not want one of those dogs. It might be a dumb attitude, but
> the idea that people like Diane Downs, or anyone like her,  could raise a
> dog I might get is terrible to me.
> 
> 
> Sherry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
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> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:45 PM
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> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker
> 
> One of the prisons here in Iowa used to work with dogs as did the women's
> prison, but I can't remember if they were training them for a program. I
> t got too crowded for them to have a good facility. When I went to the
> women's prison once to participate in the church service there, several
> looked longingly at Fisher and said, "awe", but they had been instructed not
> to mess with him. I was sort of sorry they had been.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
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> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shari Cook via
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> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 5:41 PM
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> Cc: Shari Cook <kalilee at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker
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> America's VetDogs (a sister organization to the Guide Dog Foundation for
> the Blind in Smithtown, NY) has puppy raisers in prison - they are
> imprisoned veterans that raise pups specifically for other veterans to
> provide them with enhanced mobility and renewed independence.  As with GDF,
> there is no cost to get a pup.  The dogs spend their weekdays being trained
> by honor prisoners and go to a family on weekends for social exposure.  The
> pups typically stay at the prison for 12 to 18 months, then go off to "puppy
> college" for their specific formal training which lasts approximately 4
> months.  I raise puppies for GDF and we often cross train with the VetDogs
> program.  It's amazing to see what these animals can do, from finding the
> button to open a handicapped entrance, to pushing an elevator button, or
> opening and closing doors, pulling laundry baskets, waking a veteran that's
> having flashbacks, to just being a general companion and getting the veteran
> to be comfortable in the public again.  If anyone needs more information on
> the VetDogs program, their website is America's VetDogs | Home
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>    On Sunday, November 26, 2017, 5:14:49 PM EST, David via NAGDU
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> Cross-posted
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> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/27/puppies-behind-bars-with-glenn
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