[NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

Tara Briggs thflute at gmail.com
Mon Nov 27 15:26:47 UTC 2017 

 Jody I have wondered about that as well. I think it would be an interesting study. If you could compare puppies prison prison versus puppies not race in prison is there a difference in their socialization. Obviously, a dogs ability to behave well in public is a huge part about being a service animal.

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> On Nov 27, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> OK I will probably get in trouble too but I don't think a prison is an appropriate place to socialize a puppy. Socialization is supposed to include exposure to normal life situations not the inside of a prison! I can't picture of this as being a good idea from any angle.
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> JODY
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> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik Weihenmayer
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>> On Nov 27, 2017, at 10:04 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Hi Sherry:
>> 
>> I agree with you.  When I was asked by a school if I would accept a dog 
>> raised in a prison I told the trainer absolutely no!  If it was the best 
>> guide dog that ever was, I would not accept a prison raised dog.  I cannot 
>> imagine my sweet golden girl raised by a criminal,  what an awful thought. 
>> Just the thought of these innocent puppies raised by a criminal is 
>> disgusting and unacceptable to me.  The thinking these days is to rehab 
>> prisoners but to me all it is a way for them to get free educations, time 
>> off for completing their education and raising puppies is a privilege.  If 
>> they had not committed a crime they could go to school or get any job 
>> including working with dogs.  However, I think the guide and service dog 
>> schools should not allow these precious puppies near this criminals.  They 
>> need to place the puppies in safe loving homes not in a prison!  I cannot 
>> believe that the schools find themselves so desperate that they resort to 
>> allowing criminals near these puppies.  Shame on you guide and service dog 
>> schools! Please,  please think of the safety of your puppies!  I know both 
>> of us will get angry messages from the monitor of the list as well as other 
>> list members but this is a free country with freedom of speech so you and I 
>> are entitled to our opinion on this subject.
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>> Sandra Johnson and precious golden Eva
>> SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
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>> From: Sherry Gomes via NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:11 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Sherry Gomes
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker
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>> I took one of my dogs to prison with my church choir a long long time ago.
>> We went to a minimum security prison. The guys were very happy to see my
>> dog. Another time, I went with my cousin to see her ex-husband, who was in
>> San Quentin for drug charges. We met in a big room with lots of prisoners
>> and their guests, and one woman asked if her husband could say hi to my dog.
>> He was a lifer and had already been there 15 years so hadn't seen a dog in a
>> very long time. He cried and cried when he petted my dog. Having said all
>> that, I would not want a dog raised in prison. I knew a woman who had one,
>> and the dog was fabulous. But years ago, I read the book small Miracles by
>> ann Rule. Near the end, she mentioned that on one of her visits to Diane
>> Downs for interviews, Downs was raising a puppy to be a service dog. Downs
>> never showed any remorse about murdering one of her children and trying to
>> murder all three. So I felt she had no right to the privilege of raising a
>> dog. If GDB ever started having their dogs raised in prison, I'd tell them I
>> definitely do not want one of those dogs. It might be a dumb attitude, but
>> the idea that people like Diane Downs, or anyone like her,  could raise a
>> dog I might get is terrible to me.
>> 
>> 
>> Sherry
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>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
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>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:45 PM
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>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker
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>> One of the prisons here in Iowa used to work with dogs as did the women's
>> prison, but I can't remember if they were training them for a program. I
>> t got too crowded for them to have a good facility. When I went to the
>> women's prison once to participate in the church service there, several
>> looked longingly at Fisher and said, "awe", but they had been instructed not
>> to mess with him. I was sort of sorry they had been.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
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>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker
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>> America's VetDogs (a sister organization to the Guide Dog Foundation for
>> the Blind in Smithtown, NY) has puppy raisers in prison - they are
>> imprisoned veterans that raise pups specifically for other veterans to
>> provide them with enhanced mobility and renewed independence.  As with GDF,
>> there is no cost to get a pup.  The dogs spend their weekdays being trained
>> by honor prisoners and go to a family on weekends for social exposure.  The
>> pups typically stay at the prison for 12 to 18 months, then go off to "puppy
>> college" for their specific formal training which lasts approximately 4
>> months.  I raise puppies for GDF and we often cross train with the VetDogs
>> program.  It's amazing to see what these animals can do, from finding the
>> button to open a handicapped entrance, to pushing an elevator button, or
>> opening and closing doors, pulling laundry baskets, waking a veteran that's
>> having flashbacks, to just being a general companion and getting the veteran
>> to be comfortable in the public again.  If anyone needs more information on
>> the VetDogs program, their website is America's VetDogs | Home
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>>   On Sunday, November 26, 2017, 5:14:49 PM EST, David via NAGDU
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>> Cross-posted
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>> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/27/puppies-behind-bars-with-glenn
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