[NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

Mon Nov 27 15:12:56 UTC 2017

OK I will probably get in trouble too but I don't think a prison is an appropriate place to socialize a puppy. Socialization is supposed to include exposure to normal life situations not the inside of a prison! I can't picture of this as being a good idea from any angle.

JODY

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"What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik Weihenmayer

> On Nov 27, 2017, at 10:04 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Hi Sherry:
> 
> I agree with you.  When I was asked by a school if I would accept a dog 
> raised in a prison I told the trainer absolutely no!  If it was the best 
> guide dog that ever was, I would not accept a prison raised dog.  I cannot 
> imagine my sweet golden girl raised by a criminal,  what an awful thought. 
> Just the thought of these innocent puppies raised by a criminal is 
> disgusting and unacceptable to me.  The thinking these days is to rehab 
> prisoners but to me all it is a way for them to get free educations, time 
> off for completing their education and raising puppies is a privilege.  If 
> they had not committed a crime they could go to school or get any job 
> including working with dogs.  However, I think the guide and service dog 
> schools should not allow these precious puppies near this criminals.  They 
> need to place the puppies in safe loving homes not in a prison!  I cannot 
> believe that the schools find themselves so desperate that they resort to 
> allowing criminals near these puppies.  Shame on you guide and service dog 
> schools! Please,  please think of the safety of your puppies!  I know both 
> of us will get angry messages from the monitor of the list as well as other 
> list members but this is a free country with freedom of speech so you and I 
> are entitled to our opinion on this subject.
> 
> Sandra Johnson and precious golden Eva
> SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
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> From: Sherry Gomes via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:11 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Sherry Gomes
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker
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> I took one of my dogs to prison with my church choir a long long time ago.
> We went to a minimum security prison. The guys were very happy to see my
> dog. Another time, I went with my cousin to see her ex-husband, who was in
> San Quentin for drug charges. We met in a big room with lots of prisoners
> and their guests, and one woman asked if her husband could say hi to my dog.
> He was a lifer and had already been there 15 years so hadn't seen a dog in a
> very long time. He cried and cried when he petted my dog. Having said all
> that, I would not want a dog raised in prison. I knew a woman who had one,
> and the dog was fabulous. But years ago, I read the book small Miracles by
> ann Rule. Near the end, she mentioned that on one of her visits to Diane
> Downs for interviews, Downs was raising a puppy to be a service dog. Downs
> never showed any remorse about murdering one of her children and trying to
> murder all three. So I felt she had no right to the privilege of raising a
> dog. If GDB ever started having their dogs raised in prison, I'd tell them I
> definitely do not want one of those dogs. It might be a dumb attitude, but
> the idea that people like Diane Downs, or anyone like her,  could raise a
> dog I might get is terrible to me.
> 
> 
> Sherry
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> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
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> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:45 PM
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> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker
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> One of the prisons here in Iowa used to work with dogs as did the women's
> prison, but I can't remember if they were training them for a program. I
> t got too crowded for them to have a good facility. When I went to the
> women's prison once to participate in the church service there, several
> looked longingly at Fisher and said, "awe", but they had been instructed not
> to mess with him. I was sort of sorry they had been.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
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> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 5:41 PM
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker
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> America's VetDogs (a sister organization to the Guide Dog Foundation for
> the Blind in Smithtown, NY) has puppy raisers in prison - they are
> imprisoned veterans that raise pups specifically for other veterans to
> provide them with enhanced mobility and renewed independence.  As with GDF,
> there is no cost to get a pup.  The dogs spend their weekdays being trained
> by honor prisoners and go to a family on weekends for social exposure.  The
> pups typically stay at the prison for 12 to 18 months, then go off to "puppy
> college" for their specific formal training which lasts approximately 4
> months.  I raise puppies for GDF and we often cross train with the VetDogs
> program.  It's amazing to see what these animals can do, from finding the
> button to open a handicapped entrance, to pushing an elevator button, or
> opening and closing doors, pulling laundry baskets, waking a veteran that's
> having flashbacks, to just being a general companion and getting the veteran
> to be comfortable in the public again.  If anyone needs more information on
> the VetDogs program, their website is America's VetDogs | Home
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>    On Sunday, November 26, 2017, 5:14:49 PM EST, David via NAGDU
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> Cross-posted
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> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/27/puppies-behind-bars-with-glenn
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