[NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

d m gina dmgina at mysero.net
Wed Nov 29 19:24:09 UTC 2017


Original message:
> Dar:
What a blessing for you, this was not discussed, with the class members.
The dogs were given out and we do the rest.
I have worked hard with her, and it is paying off.
Now where pilot gets the idea after four dogs you have had to many is 
something I don't understand.
I shared when I turn 70 I might not want any more dogs.
We ladies have worked together for quite some time, so don't consider 
taking the dog away because an old goat decided to tell a lie.
I do know how to stand up for myself.
As I did and now so far the school is leaving me alone.
What does this have to do with puppy raising?
Lots a friendly dog needs to be put in control if you want to have a 
good dog working well.

> I was very clear to Pilot that I would not accept a dog raised in the prison
> system.  They assured me that Eva was not one of those dogs.  They discussed
> this with us in one of the evening lectures.  They told our class that if
> they wanted to match a prison raised dog with someone they would give that
> person the chance to reject that dog for another one.  They always have
> plenty of dogs available so a person not wanting a prison raised dog is no
> problem for them.


> Sandra
> -----Original Message-----
> From: d m gina via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:38 PM
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

> Original Pilot has prison dogs.
> You don't know who they are, it is just said we don't know anything
> about where she was raised.
> When it is in the home, then the person lerns more.
> You have to wait six months to find out anything.
> I would love to learn more on behalf of my dog, where we just keep
> working out each day.
> I learn from the way she acts if she has been around children and much more.
> message:
>> You know, Sherry, you have a right to feel as you do, but how the
>> prisoners
>> raise the dogs does not make them any different, as you know. I would
>> submit
>> that prisoners are people, too. Sure all this was wrong, but once you have
>> family imprisoned, you learn to view things some differently. The folks
>> there need the rehabilitation that the dog training can afford. They have
>> the time, and often they need the unconditional love, too. I appreciate
>> how
>> you feel, but that woman's lack of remorse could be something different. I
>> won't say more, but I think the prison experience is good for both the
>> dogs
>> and the prisoners. I am glad that the dogs go out on weekends to other
>> raisers to get exposed to other environments because I could see that as a
>> problem.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com




>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherry Gomes
>> via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:11 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

>> I took one of my dogs to prison with my church choir a long long time ago.
>> We went to a minimum security prison. The guys were very happy to see my
>> dog. Another time, I went with my cousin to see her ex-husband, who was in
>> San Quentin for drug charges. We met in a big room with lots of prisoners
>> and their guests, and one woman asked if her husband could say hi to my
>> dog.
>> He was a lifer and had already been there 15 years so hadn't seen a dog in
>> a
>> very long time. He cried and cried when he petted my dog. Having said all
>> that, I would not want a dog raised in prison. I knew a woman who had one,
>> and the dog was fabulous. But years ago, I read the book small Miracles by
>> ann Rule. Near the end, she mentioned that on one of her visits to Diane
>> Downs for interviews, Downs was raising a puppy to be a service dog. Downs
>> never showed any remorse about murdering one of her children and trying to
>> murder all three. So I felt she had no right to the privilege of raising a
>> dog. If GDB ever started having their dogs raised in prison, I'd tell them
>> I
>> definitely do not want one of those dogs. It might be a dumb attitude, but
>> the idea that people like Diane Downs, or anyone like her,  could raise a
>> dog I might get is terrible to me.


>> Sherry


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:45 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

>> One of the prisons here in Iowa used to work with dogs as did the women's
>> prison, but I can't remember if they were training them for a program. I
>> t got too crowded for them to have a good facility. When I went to the
>> women's prison once to participate in the church service there, several
>> looked longingly at Fisher and said, "awe", but they had been instructed
>> not
>> to mess with him. I was sort of sorry they had been.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shari Cook via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 5:41 PM
>> To: David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Shari Cook <kalilee at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

>>  America's VetDogs (a sister organization to the Guide Dog Foundation for
>> the Blind in Smithtown, NY) has puppy raisers in prison - they are
>> imprisoned veterans that raise pups specifically for other veterans to
>> provide them with enhanced mobility and renewed independence.  As with
>> GDF,
>> there is no cost to get a pup.  The dogs spend their weekdays being
>> trained
>> by honor prisoners and go to a family on weekends for social exposure.
>> The
>> pups typically stay at the prison for 12 to 18 months, then go off to
>> "puppy
>> college" for their specific formal training which lasts approximately 4
>> months.  I raise puppies for GDF and we often cross train with the VetDogs
>> program.  It's amazing to see what these animals can do, from finding the
>> button to open a handicapped entrance, to pushing an elevator button, or
>> opening and closing doors, pulling laundry baskets, waking a veteran
>> that's
>> having flashbacks, to just being a general companion and getting the
>> veteran
>> to be comfortable in the public again.  If anyone needs more information
>> on
>> the VetDogs program, their website is America's VetDogs | Home

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>>     On Sunday, November 26, 2017, 5:14:49 PM EST, David via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>  Cross-posted

>> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/27/puppies-behind-bars-with-glenn
>> -close

>> --
>> *David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL*
>> *david at bakerinet.com*


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