[NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

d m gina dmgina at mysero.net
Wed Nov 29 19:27:34 UTC 2017 

Yes if the school trusts the person, then I have to trust what they decided.
I believe in set school.
I came to get a dog, not to decide what the instructor did or didn't do.
Original message:
>  So what should happen to people in prison system? I ask this because 
> the majority of them will be released into society. Here’s a 
> hypothetical situation but I’m curious what you always think of it. 
> Will call him George, and he is in prison. George is in prison because 
> he started using marijuana. He started using marijuana at a young age. 
> He had chronic pain from say a farming accident. In order to support 
> his chronic pain, George became a drug dealer. He sold marijuana to 
> other people. Some used recreationally and others use it for chronic 
> pain or epilepsy. Eventually George’s crimes caught up with him and he 
> is now in prison. Well in prison George becomes a puppy raiser. 
> Eventually George is released. FaceTime in prison has given him a deep 
> love of dogs and a deep love of what they can do for people. George is 
> now out of prison. He has discovered in himself a lot of animals in 
> love teaching. He is working to rebuild his life and his goal is to be 
> an instructor for one of the guide dog schools. Should George be able 
> to accomplish the stream? I would love to hear everyone’s thoughts on 
> my hypothetical situation. But I would respectfully point out this is 
> actually based on the true situation of a gentleman who is a paraplegic 
> in prison.

>  Michael  Pelletier. You can Google him if you want to hear his full 
> story. On the other hand I do see what you mean. There are certain 
> people that I would not want training my dog. I wouldn’t want someone 
> who was in prison for abusing animals training my dog. I wouldn’t want 
> someone who was in prison for rape or pedophilia training my dog. 
> Anyway I look forward to this further discussion.
> Tara
> Sent from my iPhone

>> On Nov 27, 2017, at 8:04 AM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>> Hi Sherry:

>> I agree with you.  When I was asked by a school if I would accept a dog
>> raised in a prison I told the trainer absolutely no!  If it was the best
>> guide dog that ever was, I would not accept a prison raised dog.  I cannot
>> imagine my sweet golden girl raised by a criminal,  what an awful thought.
>> Just the thought of these innocent puppies raised by a criminal is
>> disgusting and unacceptable to me.  The thinking these days is to rehab
>> prisoners but to me all it is a way for them to get free educations, time
>> off for completing their education and raising puppies is a privilege.  If
>> they had not committed a crime they could go to school or get any job
>> including working with dogs.  However, I think the guide and service dog
>> schools should not allow these precious puppies near this criminals.  They
>> need to place the puppies in safe loving homes not in a prison!  I cannot
>> believe that the schools find themselves so desperate that they resort to
>> allowing criminals near these puppies.  Shame on you guide and service dog
>> schools! Please,  please think of the safety of your puppies!  I know both
>> of us will get angry messages from the monitor of the list as well as other
>> list members but this is a free country with freedom of speech so you and I
>> are entitled to our opinion on this subject.

>> Sandra Johnson and precious golden Eva
>> SLJohnson25 at comcast.net

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sherry Gomes via NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:11 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Sherry Gomes
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

>> I took one of my dogs to prison with my church choir a long long time ago.
>> We went to a minimum security prison. The guys were very happy to see my
>> dog. Another time, I went with my cousin to see her ex-husband, who was in
>> San Quentin for drug charges. We met in a big room with lots of prisoners
>> and their guests, and one woman asked if her husband could say hi to my dog.
>> He was a lifer and had already been there 15 years so hadn't seen a dog in a
>> very long time. He cried and cried when he petted my dog. Having said all
>> that, I would not want a dog raised in prison. I knew a woman who had one,
>> and the dog was fabulous. But years ago, I read the book small Miracles by
>> ann Rule. Near the end, she mentioned that on one of her visits to Diane
>> Downs for interviews, Downs was raising a puppy to be a service dog. Downs
>> never showed any remorse about murdering one of her children and trying to
>> murder all three. So I felt she had no right to the privilege of raising a
>> dog. If GDB ever started having their dogs raised in prison, I'd tell them I
>> definitely do not want one of those dogs. It might be a dumb attitude, but
>> the idea that people like Diane Downs, or anyone like her,  could raise a
>> dog I might get is terrible to me.


>> Sherry


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 6:45 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

>> One of the prisons here in Iowa used to work with dogs as did the women's
>> prison, but I can't remember if they were training them for a program. I
>> t got too crowded for them to have a good facility. When I went to the
>> women's prison once to participate in the church service there, several
>> looked longingly at Fisher and said, "awe", but they had been instructed not
>> to mess with him. I was sort of sorry they had been.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shari Cook via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 5:41 PM
>> To: David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Shari Cook <kalilee at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

>> America's VetDogs (a sister organization to the Guide Dog Foundation for
>> the Blind in Smithtown, NY) has puppy raisers in prison - they are
>> imprisoned veterans that raise pups specifically for other veterans to
>> provide them with enhanced mobility and renewed independence.  As with GDF,
>> there is no cost to get a pup.  The dogs spend their weekdays being trained
>> by honor prisoners and go to a family on weekends for social exposure.  The
>> pups typically stay at the prison for 12 to 18 months, then go off to "puppy
>> college" for their specific formal training which lasts approximately 4
>> months.  I raise puppies for GDF and we often cross train with the VetDogs
>> program.  It's amazing to see what these animals can do, from finding the
>> button to open a handicapped entrance, to pushing an elevator button, or
>> opening and closing doors, pulling laundry baskets, waking a veteran that's
>> having flashbacks, to just being a general companion and getting the veteran
>> to be comfortable in the public again.  If anyone needs more information on
>> the VetDogs program, their website is America's VetDogs | Home

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>>    On Sunday, November 26, 2017, 5:14:49 PM EST, David via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>> Cross-posted

>> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/27/puppies-behind-bars-with-glenn
>> -close

>> --
>> *David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL*
>> *david at bakerinet.com*


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