[NAGDU] Limit on numbers of dogs, was Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

Wed Nov 29 19:27:57 UTC 2017

I don't recall this issue coming up before about limit on how many dogs one
can have. Can someone enlighten me?
Cind7y Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

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> Dar:
What a blessing for you, this was not discussed, with the class members.
The dogs were given out and we do the rest.
I have worked hard with her, and it is paying off.
Now where pilot gets the idea after four dogs you have had to many is
something I don't understand.
I shared when I turn 70 I might not want any more dogs.
We ladies have worked together for quite some time, so don't consider taking
the dog away because an old goat decided to tell a lie.
I do know how to stand up for myself.
As I did and now so far the school is leaving me alone.
What does this have to do with puppy raising?
Lots a friendly dog needs to be put in control if you want to have a good
dog working well.

> I was very clear to Pilot that I would not accept a dog raised in the 
> prison system.  They assured me that Eva was not one of those dogs.  
> They discussed this with us in one of the evening lectures.  They told 
> our class that if they wanted to match a prison raised dog with 
> someone they would give that person the chance to reject that dog for 
> another one.  They always have plenty of dogs available so a person 
> not wanting a prison raised dog is no problem for them.

> Sandra
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> Original Pilot has prison dogs.
> You don't know who they are, it is just said we don't know anything 
> about where she was raised.
> When it is in the home, then the person lerns more.
> You have to wait six months to find out anything.
> I would love to learn more on behalf of my dog, where we just keep 
> working out each day.
> I learn from the way she acts if she has been around children and much
more.
> message:
>> You know, Sherry, you have a right to feel as you do, but how the 
>> prisoners raise the dogs does not make them any different, as you 
>> know. I would submit that prisoners are people, too. Sure all this 
>> was wrong, but once you have family imprisoned, you learn to view 
>> things some differently. The folks there need the rehabilitation that 
>> the dog training can afford. They have the time, and often they need 
>> the unconditional love, too. I appreciate how you feel, but that 
>> woman's lack of remorse could be something different. I won't say 
>> more, but I think the prison experience is good for both the dogs and 
>> the prisoners. I am glad that the dogs go out on weekends to other 
>> raisers to get exposed to other environments because I could see that 
>> as a problem.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com

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>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherry 
>> Gomes via NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:11 PM
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>> Cc: Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

>> I took one of my dogs to prison with my church choir a long long time
ago.
>> We went to a minimum security prison. The guys were very happy to see 
>> my dog. Another time, I went with my cousin to see her ex-husband, 
>> who was in San Quentin for drug charges. We met in a big room with 
>> lots of prisoners and their guests, and one woman asked if her 
>> husband could say hi to my dog.
>> He was a lifer and had already been there 15 years so hadn't seen a 
>> dog in a very long time. He cried and cried when he petted my dog. 
>> Having said all that, I would not want a dog raised in prison. I knew 
>> a woman who had one, and the dog was fabulous. But years ago, I read 
>> the book small Miracles by ann Rule. Near the end, she mentioned that 
>> on one of her visits to Diane Downs for interviews, Downs was raising 
>> a puppy to be a service dog. Downs never showed any remorse about 
>> murdering one of her children and trying to murder all three. So I 
>> felt she had no right to the privilege of raising a dog. If GDB ever 
>> started having their dogs raised in prison, I'd tell them I 
>> definitely do not want one of those dogs. It might be a dumb 
>> attitude, but the idea that people like Diane Downs, or anyone like 
>> her,  could raise a dog I might get is terrible to me.

>> Sherry

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>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

>> One of the prisons here in Iowa used to work with dogs as did the 
>> women's prison, but I can't remember if they were training them for a 
>> program. I t got too crowded for them to have a good facility. When I 
>> went to the women's prison once to participate in the church service 
>> there, several looked longingly at Fisher and said, "awe", but they 
>> had been instructed not to mess with him. I was sort of sorry they 
>> had been.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com

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>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

>>  America's VetDogs (a sister organization to the Guide Dog Foundation 
>> for the Blind in Smithtown, NY) has puppy raisers in prison - they 
>> are imprisoned veterans that raise pups specifically for other 
>> veterans to provide them with enhanced mobility and renewed 
>> independence.  As with GDF, there is no cost to get a pup.  The dogs 
>> spend their weekdays being trained by honor prisoners and go to a 
>> family on weekends for social exposure.
>> The
>> pups typically stay at the prison for 12 to 18 months, then go off to 
>> "puppy college" for their specific formal training which lasts 
>> approximately 4 months.  I raise puppies for GDF and we often cross 
>> train with the VetDogs program.  It's amazing to see what these 
>> animals can do, from finding the button to open a handicapped 
>> entrance, to pushing an elevator button, or opening and closing 
>> doors, pulling laundry baskets, waking a veteran that's having 
>> flashbacks, to just being a general companion and getting the veteran 
>> to be comfortable in the public again.  If anyone needs more 
>> information on the VetDogs program, their website is America's 
>> VetDogs | Home

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>>     On Sunday, November 26, 2017, 5:14:49 PM EST, David via NAGDU 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>  Cross-posted

>> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/27/puppies-behind-bars-wit
>> h-glenn
>> -close

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