[NAGDU] Limit on numbers of dogs, was Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

d m gina dmgina at mysero.net
Wed Nov 29 21:24:06 UTC 2017 

Original Yes friends of mine shared that pilot said no to them because 
they have had three dogs.
When the problem came up on my behalf kicking my dog,
I was asked how many dogs have I had from our school, I had two.
The dogs were and are working dogs.
Once I sent back quick I didn't want to be on the side of a dog jumping 
other dogs.
Wanting to be top dog.
The problem was at school as well, where I was told she won't do that at home.
Oh yes she did.
Now I am working with my dog now.
Lots of my ideas have not come from the school.
They came from me how to solve a problem that came up.
I feel if a person can get up walk around, still know street crossings, 
and can cross a street with comfortable speed, where they can take care 
of a dogs needs, then I feel they should have a dog.
It does matter.
You have something to look forward to each day, a dog who loves you and 
wants as much attention as they can get.
It does matter.
message:
> I don't recall this issue coming up before about limit on how many dogs one
> can have. Can someone enlighten me?
> Cind7y Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com


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> Original message:
>> Dar:
> What a blessing for you, this was not discussed, with the class members.
> The dogs were given out and we do the rest.
> I have worked hard with her, and it is paying off.
> Now where pilot gets the idea after four dogs you have had to many is
> something I don't understand.
> I shared when I turn 70 I might not want any more dogs.
> We ladies have worked together for quite some time, so don't consider taking
> the dog away because an old goat decided to tell a lie.
> I do know how to stand up for myself.
> As I did and now so far the school is leaving me alone.
> What does this have to do with puppy raising?
> Lots a friendly dog needs to be put in control if you want to have a good
> dog working well.

>> I was very clear to Pilot that I would not accept a dog raised in the
>> prison system.  They assured me that Eva was not one of those dogs.
>> They discussed this with us in one of the evening lectures.  They told
>> our class that if they wanted to match a prison raised dog with
>> someone they would give that person the chance to reject that dog for
>> another one.  They always have plenty of dogs available so a person
>> not wanting a prison raised dog is no problem for them.


>> Sandra
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>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

>> Original Pilot has prison dogs.
>> You don't know who they are, it is just said we don't know anything
>> about where she was raised.
>> When it is in the home, then the person lerns more.
>> You have to wait six months to find out anything.
>> I would love to learn more on behalf of my dog, where we just keep
>> working out each day.
>> I learn from the way she acts if she has been around children and much
> more.
>> message:
>>> You know, Sherry, you have a right to feel as you do, but how the
>>> prisoners raise the dogs does not make them any different, as you
>>> know. I would submit that prisoners are people, too. Sure all this
>>> was wrong, but once you have family imprisoned, you learn to view
>>> things some differently. The folks there need the rehabilitation that
>>> the dog training can afford. They have the time, and often they need
>>> the unconditional love, too. I appreciate how you feel, but that
>>> woman's lack of remorse could be something different. I won't say
>>> more, but I think the prison experience is good for both the dogs and
>>> the prisoners. I am glad that the dogs go out on weekends to other
>>> raisers to get exposed to other environments because I could see that
>>> as a problem.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com




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>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherry
>>> Gomes via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:11 PM
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>>> Cc: Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

>>> I took one of my dogs to prison with my church choir a long long time
> ago.
>>> We went to a minimum security prison. The guys were very happy to see
>>> my dog. Another time, I went with my cousin to see her ex-husband,
>>> who was in San Quentin for drug charges. We met in a big room with
>>> lots of prisoners and their guests, and one woman asked if her
>>> husband could say hi to my dog.
>>> He was a lifer and had already been there 15 years so hadn't seen a
>>> dog in a very long time. He cried and cried when he petted my dog.
>>> Having said all that, I would not want a dog raised in prison. I knew
>>> a woman who had one, and the dog was fabulous. But years ago, I read
>>> the book small Miracles by ann Rule. Near the end, she mentioned that
>>> on one of her visits to Diane Downs for interviews, Downs was raising
>>> a puppy to be a service dog. Downs never showed any remorse about
>>> murdering one of her children and trying to murder all three. So I
>>> felt she had no right to the privilege of raising a dog. If GDB ever
>>> started having their dogs raised in prison, I'd tell them I
>>> definitely do not want one of those dogs. It might be a dumb
>>> attitude, but the idea that people like Diane Downs, or anyone like
>>> her,  could raise a dog I might get is terrible to me.


>>> Sherry


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>>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

>>> One of the prisons here in Iowa used to work with dogs as did the
>>> women's prison, but I can't remember if they were training them for a
>>> program. I t got too crowded for them to have a good facility. When I
>>> went to the women's prison once to participate in the church service
>>> there, several looked longingly at Fisher and said, "awe", but they
>>> had been instructed not to mess with him. I was sort of sorry they
>>> had been.
>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>> cindyray at gmail.com


>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 5:41 PM
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>>> Cc: Shari Cook <kalilee at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Puppies Behind Bars - New Yorker

>>>  America's VetDogs (a sister organization to the Guide Dog Foundation
>>> for the Blind in Smithtown, NY) has puppy raisers in prison - they
>>> are imprisoned veterans that raise pups specifically for other
>>> veterans to provide them with enhanced mobility and renewed
>>> independence.  As with GDF, there is no cost to get a pup.  The dogs
>>> spend their weekdays being trained by honor prisoners and go to a
>>> family on weekends for social exposure.
>>> The
>>> pups typically stay at the prison for 12 to 18 months, then go off to
>>> "puppy college" for their specific formal training which lasts
>>> approximately 4 months.  I raise puppies for GDF and we often cross
>>> train with the VetDogs program.  It's amazing to see what these
>>> animals can do, from finding the button to open a handicapped
>>> entrance, to pushing an elevator button, or opening and closing
>>> doors, pulling laundry baskets, waking a veteran that's having
>>> flashbacks, to just being a general companion and getting the veteran
>>> to be comfortable in the public again.  If anyone needs more
>>> information on the VetDogs program, their website is America's
>>> VetDogs | Home

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>>> America's VetDogs | Home


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>>>     On Sunday, November 26, 2017, 5:14:49 PM EST, David via NAGDU
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>>  Cross-posted

>>> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/27/puppies-behind-bars-wit
>>> h-glenn
>>> -close

>>> --
>>> *David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL*
>>> *david at bakerinet.com*


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