[NAGDU] Churches and service dogs

Julie A. McGinnity kaybaycar at gmail.com
Mon Oct 2 19:21:55 UTC 2017 

I am curious about this as well.  I asked my friend who used to be a Mormon
missionary.  She is super active in the church, and she doesn't see why
service animals wouldn't be allowed in the temples.  Of course, this was
before I was made aware of the policies.  What is the reasoning from the
church?  There are a lot of environments that might be stressful for dogs.
High school, college, back stage...  All of those situations involve lots of
traffic going in many different directions, and my dog loved those
environments.  

As for the previous discussion of concernts, yes, if the concert is open to
the public, they can't exclude service animals.  If they are billing it as a
concert and not a church service, then the LDS church might not be able to
defend their policy with that one.  


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At one church I attended, someone made a Christmas vest for my Mallory! She
looked beautiful, too! Smiles!



Sunshine and 

----- Original Message -----
From: Julie McGinnity via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Date: Saturday, September 30, 2017 12:48 am
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Churches and service dogs

>
>
> I have never had a problem taking my guide dog to church.  Every week 
> I've sung on stage with a church choir for years, and both of my dogs 
> just came up there with me, no big deal.  They were even going to 
> accommodate me when I wanted to bring my dog on stage for our 
> Christmas shows.  I chose not to do so, but that was my decision, 
> unmotivated by anyone else.  I simply prefer not to work a dog while 
> trying to do choreography.
> 
> My first dog had a bed in the choir room where she used to chill while 
> we rehearsed.  I'm at a different church now, and my current dog just 
> sleeps under the chair.  (To be fair, I couldn't put my first dog 
> under those chairs''')
> 
> I've sung weddings in churches, and I've never had a problem with any 
> church I've ever entered.  This spring I did visit an LDS church, and 
> I was not the only one attending with a service dog.  I was not aware 
> that people with disabilities could not bring their service animals 
> into the conference centers to the general areas or into the temples, 
> though I had wondered about the temples.  Is this policy on their 
> website?  It seems reasonable enough to me for the temples...  But the 
> conferences?  I will keep an open mind but admit it seems strange to 
> me.
> 
> 
> 
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> On 9/29/17, Charlene Ota via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > When I lived in Hawaii, when I got my dog, I was asked "You're not 
> > bringing that dog to church are you?"  I brought him with me and 
> > some people were disgusted, some were welcoming, some were mad 
> > because they couldn't treat him like a pet, but I just toughed it 
> > out and did my best to try to educate.
> > Interestingly enough, there was a lady who brought her pet dog to 
> > church every Sunday long before I got Irish and that person was always
welcome.
> > She
> > claimed she couldn't leave her dog at home because it had anxiety. 
> > She was a lawyer who worked with the pastor's wife, maybe that 
> > carried more clout than me as a blind person. That aspect of it 
> > really made me mad so I just determined my boy was coming to church 
> > with me no matter what they had to say about it.  Some people 
> > actually learned to respect him and value him. I finally decided to 
> > comment after seeing this last comment as that's about how I feel 
> > about it.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nimer 
> > Jaber via NAGDU
> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 4:00 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Churches and service dogs
> >
> > I wonder about how God feels about all of this discrimination of his 
> > people and his animals that he put on this Earth. Anyway, crawling 
> > back into my hole since I have nothing else to say on this topic.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 3:38 PM Tara Briggs via NAGDU 
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> In the conference center, there are several events each year that I 
> >> recorded. Those events include Mormon Tabernacle choir concerts and 
> >> the twice yearly Mormon general conference. On those events, you 
> >> were not allowed to sit in the main area with your service dog. You 
> >> will either
> > have
> >> to leave or sit in the room apart from everybody else. The Mormon 
> >> Church also has temples in which different ordinances such as 
> >> baptisms for the dead and temple marriages are performed. You're 
> >> not allowed to bring your service dog into the Mormon Temple. On a 
> >> positive note, you are allowed to bring your service animal to 
> >> church meetings in Mormon meeting houses.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Sep 29, 2017, at 2:23 PM, David Bouchard via NAGDU 
> >> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I know that the LDS church bans service dogs from the main 
> >> > viewing area
> >> from choir concerts, but do they discriminate in other settings?
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> >> On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:46 PM, lkeeler--- via NAGDU 
> >> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Only once, I had a weird experience. Passed a woman in church 
> >> >> with
> >> Holly and she was very scared. But, otherwise, no issues yet. But, 
> >> this is Saint Francis of Assisi Catholic church and because that 
> >> Saint loved animals, I'm not really surprised that she is so 
> >> welcome. Actually, we've been in other churches and had no issues 
> >> iether.
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Tara Briggs via NAGDU
> >> >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:56 PM
> >> >> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >> >> Cc: Tara Briggs
> >> >> Subject: [NAGDU] Churches and service dogs
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi everyone! On a previous thread, we have been talking about 
> >> >> the
> >> experiences of people with service dogs and churches. In 
> >> particular, I
> > have
> >> talked about my experience with the Mormon church, or Church of 
> >> Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints, and their policies towards service
animals.
> >> I
> >> am curious what other people's experiences have been have you had 
> >> positive experiences? What have they been like? Have you had 
> >> negative experiences?
> >> How have you dealt with them? I look forward to any replies to this 
> >> topic!
> >> >> Tara
> >> >>
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