[NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs

Mon Oct 2 22:23:29 UTC 2017

then explain it to us so we know why a temple can discriminate against 
guide dog users we'd all love to know.

On 10/2/2017 5:15 PM, Sunshine via NAGDU wrote:
> I can understand the view for a church service, but going to the Temple is much more than that. Think as you will, but you don't know enough about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Any member I've met who has service dogs told me that they do not think it's appropriate to take our dogs with us under the circumstances. I didn't understand that view until I received my Temple recommend and went to The Temple. Smiles!'
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> Sunshine and
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Weiner via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: Sunshine via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, October 2, 2017 1:14 pm
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs
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>> one thing is to have most people feel that they shouldn't bring there
>> dog guides or that they don't want to bring them and another thing is to
>> prohibit bringing a guide dog. Sorry guys, but if every time there's
>> some access issues we make excuses for it things won't get better.
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>> Dan
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>> On 10/2/2017 2:19 PM, Sunshine via NAGDU wrote:
>>> The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints does allow dogs in the meeting houses. As far as the temple is concerned, most people I know feel as I do - there's a lot of moving around, people coming from many different directions and we just don't feel we'd take our dogs to the Temple even if we could. I don't want my dog stressed. Most people will ride with others and, thus, can seek assistance. In any case, I never considered leaving my dog at home being a problem. I've always been taught that there should be times when we leave our dogs at home so a visit to the Temple every once in a while is a great time. HTH!
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>>> Sunshine and
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Tara Briggs via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:49 am
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs
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>>>> But what about other churches? Does anybody know what other churches policies are about service animals?
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>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Dan Weiner via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>>> thanks I couldn't remember what it was called, the temple, sorry.
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>>>>> Dam
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>>>>>> On 9/29/2017 1:15 PM, Yiska via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>>> I could take my guide dog to the weekly church services but not into  > the temple. This was about 10 years and now I don't practice so I am
>>>>>> unsure. Yiska > > On Sep 29, 2017 10:58, "Dan Weiner via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> > wrote: > >> I have been led to believe that the LDS church doesn't allow guide >> dogs in their tabernacle. When I worked in Maryland a co-worker out >> of the blue walked up to me and said "is thee some place that guide >> dogs can stay when they can't accompany their owner"? not really >> knowing what the reason for this was I gave a non-committal answer, >> it turned out one of this lady's relatives wanted to go to a Mormon >> not sure i if it was a church or meeting place or temple or what, >> my apologies, in Washington, and they told them the guide dog >> wouldn't be welcome that in quotes "it would disturb the peace and >> serenity of the ceremony" I'm quoiting, I'm not trying to bash any >> religion. So I answered my colleague something disparaging about >> religion in general which I won't write here, oh heck, I'll write >> it-lol I said that religion is suppose d to preach loving thy >> neighbor as your brother and that that's fine apparently unless >> you have a guide dog. But anyway, so I believe there is a policy, >> I'm sure other religious groups have similar strictures. >> >> >> Dan the man, Parker the hound dog >> >> >> >> On 9/29/2017 7:23 AM, Star Gazer via NAGDU wrote: >> >>> I checked Tara, and unfortunately you are correct, the LDS web >>> site does have this policy, plain as day on their web site. I am >>> truly sorry. I was really hoping you had a dimwit usher. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU >>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via >>> NAGDU Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:35 PM To: NAGDU >>> Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Cc: Tara Briggs <thflute at gmail.com> Subject: >>> Re: [NAGDU] Forwarded Article: This able-bodied dog lover makes >>> a great case against faking service dogs >>> >>> Interesting. But can you make the argument that church meetings >>> are open to the public and the religious exemption does apply >>> there. For example, even though the public can walk into a church >>> for any service. Can't the church exclude say blind people if >>> they want to? Anyway, in this case, we had to go onto the >>> Internet and get tickets. That's what a friend of mine did and >>> she invited us to come. The tickets were free but you did have >>> to get them in order to get a seat. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 8:23 PM, David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> If the concert is open to the public, the church exception does >>>> not apply. >>>> >>>> ininDavid and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL* >>>> *david at bakerinet.com* >>>> >>>>> On 9/28/2017 7:53 PM, Star Gazer via NAGDU wrote: Even when >>>>> they are open to the public? We have a meeting house (Mormon >>>>> word for church building) that is open to >>>>> >>>> the public for elections, i.e. it is a voting poll. There is no >>>> way they >>> could or should restrict someone from going to the voting poll >>> with a guide or service dog. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>> http://www.avg.com >>>> _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing >>>> list NAGDU at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To >>>> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> >>> NAGDU: >>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________
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