[NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs

Ricky Joe Cook rickyjoecook at comcast.net
Mon Oct 2 22:37:51 UTC 2017 

Yes, I don't believe there is any good religious reason that a faith can 
discriminate against those with guide dogs.



-----Original Message----- 
From: Dan Weiner via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 3:23 PM
To: Sunshine via NAGDU
Cc: Dan Weiner
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs

then explain it to us so we know why a temple can discriminate against
guide dog users we'd all love to know.


On 10/2/2017 5:15 PM, Sunshine via NAGDU wrote:
> I can understand the view for a church service, but going to the Temple is 
> much more than that. Think as you will, but you don't know enough about 
> The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Any member I've met who 
> has service dogs told me that they do not think it's appropriate to take 
> our dogs with us under the circumstances. I didn't understand that view 
> until I received my Temple recommend and went to The Temple. Smiles!'
>
>
>
> Sunshine and
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Weiner via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: Sunshine via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, October 2, 2017 1:14 pm
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs
>
>>
>> one thing is to have most people feel that they shouldn't bring there
>> dog guides or that they don't want to bring them and another thing is to
>> prohibit bringing a guide dog. Sorry guys, but if every time there's
>> some access issues we make excuses for it things won't get better.
>>
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/2/2017 2:19 PM, Sunshine via NAGDU wrote:
>>> The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints does allow dogs in the 
>>> meeting houses. As far as the temple is concerned, most people I know 
>>> feel as I do - there's a lot of moving around, people coming from many 
>>> different directions and we just don't feel we'd take our dogs to the 
>>> Temple even if we could. I don't want my dog stressed. Most people will 
>>> ride with others and, thus, can seek assistance. In any case, I never 
>>> considered leaving my dog at home being a problem. I've always been 
>>> taught that there should be times when we leave our dogs at home so a 
>>> visit to the Temple every once in a while is a great time. HTH!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sunshine and
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Tara Briggs via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:49 am
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs
>>>
>>>> But what about other churches? Does anybody know what other churches 
>>>> policies are about service animals?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Dan Weiner via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks I couldn't remember what it was called, the temple, sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/29/2017 1:15 PM, Yiska via NAGDU wrote:
>>>>>> I could take my guide dog to the weekly church services but not into 
>>>>>>  > the temple. This was about 10 years and now I don't practice so I 
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> unsure. Yiska > > On Sep 29, 2017 10:58, "Dan Weiner via NAGDU" 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> > wrote: > >> I have been led to believe that the 
>>>>>> LDS church doesn't allow guide >> dogs in their tabernacle. When I 
>>>>>> worked in Maryland a co-worker out >> of the blue walked up to me and 
>>>>>> said "is thee some place that guide >> dogs can stay when they can't 
>>>>>> accompany their owner"? not really >> knowing what the reason for 
>>>>>> this was I gave a non-committal answer, >> it turned out one of this 
>>>>>> lady's relatives wanted to go to a Mormon >> not sure i if it was a 
>>>>>> church or meeting place or temple or what, >> my apologies, in 
>>>>>> Washington, and they told them the guide dog >> wouldn't be welcome 
>>>>>> that in quotes "it would disturb the peace and >> serenity of the 
>>>>>> ceremony" I'm quoiting, I'm not trying to bash any >> religion. So I 
>>>>>> answered my colleague something disparaging about >> religion in 
>>>>>> general which I won't write here, oh heck, I'll write >> it-lol I 
>>>>>> said that religion is suppose d to preach loving thy >> neighbor as 
>>>>>> your brother and that that's fine apparently unless >> you have a 
>>>>>> guide dog. But anyway, so I believe there is a policy, >> I'm sure 
>>>>>> other religious groups have similar strictures. >> >> >> Dan the man, 
>>>>>> Parker the hound dog >> >> >> >> On 9/29/2017 7:23 AM, Star Gazer via 
>>>>>> NAGDU wrote: >> >>> I checked Tara, and unfortunately you are 
>>>>>> correct, the LDS web >>> site does have this policy, plain as day on 
>>>>>> their web site. I am >>> truly sorry. I was really hoping you had a 
>>>>>> dimwit usher. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU >>> 
>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via >>> 
>>>>>> NAGDU Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:35 PM To: NAGDU >>> 
>>>>>> Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users >>> 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Cc: Tara Briggs <thflute at gmail.com> Subject: >>> 
>>>>>> Re: [NAGDU] Forwarded Article: This able-bodied dog lover makes >>> a 
>>>>>> great case against faking service dogs >>> >>> Interesting. But can 
>>>>>> you make the argument that church meetings >>> are open to the public 
>>>>>> and the religious exemption does apply >>> there. For example, even 
>>>>>> though the public can walk into a church >>> for any service. Can't 
>>>>>> the church exclude say blind people if >>> they want to? Anyway, in 
>>>>>> this case, we had to go onto the >>> Internet and get tickets. That's 
>>>>>> what a friend of mine did and >>> she invited us to come. The tickets 
>>>>>> were free but you did have >>> to get them in order to get a seat. 
>>>>>>  >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 8:23 PM, 
>>>>>> David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> If the 
>>>>>> concert is open to the public, the church exception does >>>> not 
>>>>>> apply. >>>> >>>> ininDavid and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL* >>>> 
>>>>>> *david at bakerinet.com* >>>> >>>>> On 9/28/2017 7:53 PM, Star Gazer via 
>>>>>> NAGDU wrote: Even when >>>>> they are open to the public? We have a 
>>>>>> meeting house (Mormon >>>>> word for church building) that is open to 
>>>>>>  >>>>> >>>> the public for elections, i.e. it is a voting poll. There 
>>>>>> is no >>>> way they >>> could or should restrict someone from going 
>>>>>> to the voting poll >>> with a guide or service dog. >>> >>>> >>>> 
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