[NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs

Sunshine halogirl817 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 2 23:32:08 UTC 2017


Please, cease with this discussion. It's gone on long enough. I don't disagree with anyone's point of view. I just know why we don't take our dogs; in fact, explained by dog handlers themselves who have been lifetime members.



Sunshine and 

----- Original Message -----
From: Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, October 2, 2017 3:39 pm
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs

>
>
> Yes, I don't believe there is any good religious reason that a faith can 
> discriminate against those with guide dogs.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Dan Weiner via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 3:23 PM
> To: Sunshine via NAGDU
> Cc: Dan Weiner
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs
> 
> then explain it to us so we know why a temple can discriminate against
> guide dog users we'd all love to know.
> 
> 
> On 10/2/2017 5:15 PM, Sunshine via NAGDU wrote:
> > I can understand the view for a church service, but going to the Temple is 
> > much more than that. Think as you will, but you don't know enough about 
> > The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Any member I've met who 
> > has service dogs told me that they do not think it's appropriate to take 
> > our dogs with us under the circumstances. I didn't understand that view 
> > until I received my Temple recommend and went to The Temple. Smiles!'
> >
> >
> >
> > Sunshine and
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dan Weiner via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > To: Sunshine via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Date: Monday, October 2, 2017 1:14 pm
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs
> >
> >>
> >> one thing is to have most people feel that they shouldn't bring there
> >> dog guides or that they don't want to bring them and another thing is to
> >> prohibit bringing a guide dog. Sorry guys, but if every time there's
> >> some access issues we make excuses for it things won't get better.
> >>
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/2/2017 2:19 PM, Sunshine via NAGDU wrote:
> >>> The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints does allow dogs in the 
> >>> meeting houses. As far as the temple is concerned, most people I know 
> >>> feel as I do - there's a lot of moving around, people coming from many 
> >>> different directions and we just don't feel we'd take our dogs to the 
> >>> Temple even if we could. I don't want my dog stressed. Most people will 
> >>> ride with others and, thus, can seek assistance. In any case, I never 
> >>> considered leaving my dog at home being a problem. I've always been 
> >>> taught that there should be times when we leave our dogs at home so a 
> >>> visit to the Temple every once in a while is a great time. HTH!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sunshine and
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Tara Briggs via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Date: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:49 am
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs
> >>>
> >>>> But what about other churches? Does anybody know what other churches 
> >>>> policies are about service animals?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Dan Weiner via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thanks I couldn't remember what it was called, the temple, sorry.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dam
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 9/29/2017 1:15 PM, Yiska via NAGDU wrote:
> >>>>>> I could take my guide dog to the weekly church services but not into 
> >>>>>>  > the temple. This was about 10 years and now I don't practice so I 
> >>>>>> am
> >>>>>> unsure. Yiska > > On Sep 29, 2017 10:58, "Dan Weiner via NAGDU" 
> >>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> > wrote: > >> I have been led to believe that the 
> >>>>>> LDS church doesn't allow guide >> dogs in their tabernacle. When I 
> >>>>>> worked in Maryland a co-worker out >> of the blue walked up to me and 
> >>>>>> said "is thee some place that guide >> dogs can stay when they can't 
> >>>>>> accompany their owner"? not really >> knowing what the reason for 
> >>>>>> this was I gave a non-committal answer, >> it turned out one of this 
> >>>>>> lady's relatives wanted to go to a Mormon >> not sure i if it was a 
> >>>>>> church or meeting place or temple or what, >> my apologies, in 
> >>>>>> Washington, and they told them the guide dog >> wouldn't be welcome 
> >>>>>> that in quotes "it would disturb the peace and >> serenity of the 
> >>>>>> ceremony" I'm quoiting, I'm not trying to bash any >> religion. So I 
> >>>>>> answered my colleague something disparaging about >> religion in 
> >>>>>> general which I won't write here, oh heck, I'll write >> it-lol I 
> >>>>>> said that religion is suppose d to preach loving thy >> neighbor as 
> >>>>>> your brother and that that's fine apparently unless >> you have a 
> >>>>>> guide dog. But anyway, so I believe there is a policy, >> I'm sure 
> >>>>>> other religious groups have similar strictures. >> >> >> Dan the man, 
> >>>>>> Parker the hound dog >> >> >> >> On 9/29/2017 7:23 AM, Star Gazer via 
> >>>>>> NAGDU wrote: >> >>> I checked Tara, and unfortunately you are 
> >>>>>> correct, the LDS web >>> site does have this policy, plain as day on 
> >>>>>> their web site. I am >>> truly sorry. I was really hoping you had a 
> >>>>>> dimwit usher. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU >>> 
> >>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via >>> 
> >>>>>> NAGDU Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:35 PM To: NAGDU >>> 
> >>>>>> Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users >>> 
> >>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Cc: Tara Briggs <thflute at gmail.com> Subject: >>> 
> >>>>>> Re: [NAGDU] Forwarded Article: This able-bodied dog lover makes >>> a 
> >>>>>> great case against faking service dogs >>> >>> Interesting. But can 
> >>>>>> you make the argument that church meetings >>> are open to the public 
> >>>>>> and the religious exemption does apply >>> there. For example, even 
> >>>>>> though the public can walk into a church >>> for any service. Can't 
> >>>>>> the church exclude say blind people if >>> they want to? Anyway, in 
> >>>>>> this case, we had to go onto the >>> Internet and get tickets. That's 
> >>>>>> what a friend of mine did and >>> she invited us to come. The tickets 
> >>>>>> were free but you did have >>> to get them in order to get a seat. 
> >>>>>>  >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 8:23 PM, 
> >>>>>> David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> If the 
> >>>>>> concert is open to the public, the church exception does >>>> not 
> >>>>>> apply. >>>> >>>> ininDavid and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL* >>>> 
> >>>>>> *david at bakerinet.com* >>>> >>>>> On 9/28/2017 7:53 PM, Star Gazer via 
> >>>>>> NAGDU wrote: Even when >>>>> they are open to the public? We have a 
> >>>>>> meeting house (Mormon >>>>> word for church building) that is open to 
> >>>>>>  >>>>> >>>> the public for elections, i.e. it is a voting poll. There 
> >>>>>> is no >>>> way they >>> could or should restrict someone from going 
> >>>>>> to the voting poll >>> with a guide or service dog. >>> >>>> >>>> 
> >>>>>>  >>>> --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>> 
> >>>>>> http://www.avg.com >>>> 
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing >>>> 
> >>>>>> list NAGDU at nfbnet.org >>>> 
> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To >>>> 
> >>>>>> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> 
> >>>>>> for >>>> >>> NAGDU: >>> >>>> 
> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmail.com 
> >>>>>>  >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> NAGDU mailing list NAGDU at nfbnet.org  >>> 
> >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To >>>
> >>>>> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for 
> >>>>> NAGDU: >>> 
> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/pickrellr >>> 
> >>>>> ebecca%40gmail.c om >>> >>> >>> 
> >>>>> _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing >>> list 
> >>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >>> 
> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To >>> 
> >>>>> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for 
> >>>>> NAGDU: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/dcwein% 
> >>>>>  >>> 40dcwein.cnc.net >>> >>> >>> >> >> 
> >>>>> _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list >> 
> >>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org >> 
> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >> 
> >>>>> change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU: >> 
> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/ichoosech >> 
> >>>>> ristbleb%40gmail.com >> > 
> >>>>> _______________________________________________ NAGDU mailing list > 
> >>>>> NAGDU at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org > 
> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> >>>>>  > NAGDU: > 
> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/dcwein%40dcwein.cnc.net 
> >>>>>  > >
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> NAGDU mailing list
> > @> @> @@@> @@@> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> >>>>> NAGDU:
> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/thflute%40gmail.com
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> NAGDU mailing list
> > @> @> @@@> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> >>>> NAGDU:
> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/halogirl817%40gmail.com
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> NAGDU mailing list
@> @> @@@> @@@> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> >>> NAGDU:
> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/dcwein%40dcwein.cnc.net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NAGDU mailing list
@> @> @@@> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> >> NAGDU:
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/halogirl817%40gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > NAGDU mailing list
@> @> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > NAGDU:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/dcwein%40dcwein.cnc.net
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NAGDU mailing list
@> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rickyjoecook%40comcast.net 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NAGDU mailing list
@> NAGDU at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NAGDU:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/halogirl817%40gmail.com




More information about the NAGDU mailing list