[NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs

S L Johnson SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
Tue Oct 3 00:27:56 UTC 2017 

Sunshine:

I personally did not mean in any way to offend anyone, I as well as others 
are just trying to learn about an area of what we see as discrimination.  To 
many of us not allowing our dogs is something we want to see changed so all 
can have equal access.  They would not tell a person to leave their 
wheelchair or crutches if they want to enter the temple.  This kind of 
discussion is the only way we will all learn and how maybe things can be 
changed in the future for those who do choose to bring their dogs with them. 
As I said in an earlier post, each person has to do what they feel is right 
for them.  However, it is also the other person's right to have a different 
opinion and to want to see changes if possible.  I have sung in so many 
different religious institutions that the differences and the way they 
worship is of interest to me  No offence at least on my part, just a thirst 
for knowledge and understanding.  .

Sandra

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sunshine via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:32 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sunshine
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs

Please, cease with this discussion. It's gone on long enough. I don't 
disagree with anyone's point of view. I just know why we don't take our 
dogs; in fact, explained by dog handlers themselves who have been lifetime 
members.



Sunshine and

----- Original Message -----
From: Ricky Joe Cook via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, October 2, 2017 3:39 pm
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs

>
>
> Yes, I don't believe there is any good religious reason that a faith can
> discriminate against those with guide dogs.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Dan Weiner via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 3:23 PM
> To: Sunshine via NAGDU
> Cc: Dan Weiner
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs
>
> then explain it to us so we know why a temple can discriminate against
> guide dog users we'd all love to know.
>
>
> On 10/2/2017 5:15 PM, Sunshine via NAGDU wrote:
> > I can understand the view for a church service, but going to the Temple 
> > is
> > much more than that. Think as you will, but you don't know enough about
> > The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Any member I've met who
> > has service dogs told me that they do not think it's appropriate to take
> > our dogs with us under the circumstances. I didn't understand that view
> > until I received my Temple recommend and went to The Temple. Smiles!'
> >
> >
> >
> > Sunshine and
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dan Weiner via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > To: Sunshine via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Date: Monday, October 2, 2017 1:14 pm
> > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs
> >
> >>
> >> one thing is to have most people feel that they shouldn't bring there
> >> dog guides or that they don't want to bring them and another thing is 
> >> to
> >> prohibit bringing a guide dog. Sorry guys, but if every time there's
> >> some access issues we make excuses for it things won't get better.
> >>
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/2/2017 2:19 PM, Sunshine via NAGDU wrote:
> >>> The Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints does allow dogs in the
> >>> meeting houses. As far as the temple is concerned, most people I know
> >>> feel as I do - there's a lot of moving around, people coming from many
> >>> different directions and we just don't feel we'd take our dogs to the
> >>> Temple even if we could. I don't want my dog stressed. Most people 
> >>> will
> >>> ride with others and, thus, can seek assistance. In any case, I never
> >>> considered leaving my dog at home being a problem. I've always been
> >>> taught that there should be times when we leave our dogs at home so a
> >>> visit to the Temple every once in a while is a great time. HTH!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sunshine and
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Tara Briggs via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Date: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:49 am
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] religious organizations and guide dogs
> >>>
> >>>> But what about other churches? Does anybody know what other churches
> >>>> policies are about service animals?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 11:21 AM, Dan Weiner via NAGDU 
> >>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thanks I couldn't remember what it was called, the temple, sorry.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dam
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 9/29/2017 1:15 PM, Yiska via NAGDU wrote:
> >>>>>> I could take my guide dog to the weekly church services but not 
> >>>>>> into
> >>>>>>  > the temple. This was about 10 years and now I don't practice so 
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> am
> >>>>>> unsure. Yiska > > On Sep 29, 2017 10:58, "Dan Weiner via NAGDU"
> >>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> > wrote: > >> I have been led to believe that 
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> LDS church doesn't allow guide >> dogs in their tabernacle. When I
> >>>>>> worked in Maryland a co-worker out >> of the blue walked up to me 
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> said "is thee some place that guide >> dogs can stay when they 
> >>>>>> can't
> >>>>>> accompany their owner"? not really >> knowing what the reason for
> >>>>>> this was I gave a non-committal answer, >> it turned out one of 
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>> lady's relatives wanted to go to a Mormon >> not sure i if it was a
> >>>>>> church or meeting place or temple or what, >> my apologies, in
> >>>>>> Washington, and they told them the guide dog >> wouldn't be welcome
> >>>>>> that in quotes "it would disturb the peace and >> serenity of the
> >>>>>> ceremony" I'm quoiting, I'm not trying to bash any >> religion. So 
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> answered my colleague something disparaging about >> religion in
> >>>>>> general which I won't write here, oh heck, I'll write >> it-lol I
> >>>>>> said that religion is suppose d to preach loving thy >> neighbor as
> >>>>>> your brother and that that's fine apparently unless >> you have a
> >>>>>> guide dog. But anyway, so I believe there is a policy, >> I'm sure
> >>>>>> other religious groups have similar strictures. >> >> >> Dan the 
> >>>>>> man,
> >>>>>> Parker the hound dog >> >> >> >> On 9/29/2017 7:23 AM, Star Gazer 
> >>>>>> via
> >>>>>> NAGDU wrote: >> >>> I checked Tara, and unfortunately you are
> >>>>>> correct, the LDS web >>> site does have this policy, plain as day 
> >>>>>> on
> >>>>>> their web site. I am >>> truly sorry. I was really hoping you had a
> >>>>>> dimwit usher. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: NAGDU >>>
> >>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tara Briggs via >>>
> >>>>>> NAGDU Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:35 PM To: NAGDU >>>
> >>>>>> Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users >>>
> >>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Cc: Tara Briggs <thflute at gmail.com> Subject: >>>
> >>>>>> Re: [NAGDU] Forwarded Article: This able-bodied dog lover makes >>> 
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> great case against faking service dogs >>> >>> Interesting. But can
> >>>>>> you make the argument that church meetings >>> are open to the 
> >>>>>> public
> >>>>>> and the religious exemption does apply >>> there. For example, even
> >>>>>> though the public can walk into a church >>> for any service. Can't
> >>>>>> the church exclude say blind people if >>> they want to? Anyway, in
> >>>>>> this case, we had to go onto the >>> Internet and get tickets. 
> >>>>>> That's
> >>>>>> what a friend of mine did and >>> she invited us to come. The 
> >>>>>> tickets
> >>>>>> were free but you did have >>> to get them in order to get a seat.
> >>>>>>  >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 8:23 PM,
> >>>>>> David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> If the
> >>>>>> concert is open to the public, the church exception does >>>> not
> >>>>>> apply. >>>> >>>> ininDavid and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL* >>>>
> >>>>>> *david at bakerinet.com* >>>> >>>>> On 9/28/2017 7:53 PM, Star Gazer 
> >>>>>> via
> >>>>>> NAGDU wrote: Even when >>>>> they are open to the public? We have a
> >>>>>> meeting house (Mormon >>>>> word for church building) that is open 
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>  >>>>> >>>> the public for elections, i.e. it is a voting poll. 
> >>>>>> There
> >>>>>> is no >>>> way they >>> could or should restrict someone from going
> >>>>>> to the voting poll >>> with a guide or service dog. >>> >>>> >>>>
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