[NAGDU] Churches and service dogs

lkeeler at comcast.net lkeeler at comcast.net
Tue Oct 3 02:27:27 UTC 2017 

I've even been invited to use Holly in our living nativity production. Yep, 
we do include live animals such as sheep and donkeys. Holly could have been 
a dog, which I've never seen in one or a sheep because she can look kind of 
shaggy at timess!

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sunshine via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 3:49 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Churches and service dogs

I can only tell you that I'd not take any guide into the Temple even if 
permission would be granted. I'm not going into detail about anything 
regarding the Temple. Unless a person has been there, they couldn't be 
expected to understand, but having been there, I can tell you the choice to 
leave my dog at home is right for me and my dog. . Nothing bad goes on in 
the Temple - all is sacred - that's all I'm going to tell you.



Sunshine and

----- Original Message -----
From: Julie A. McGinnity via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: his'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Date: Monday, October 2, 2017 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Churches and service dogs

>
>
> I am curious about this as well.  I asked my friend who used to be a 
> Mormon
> missionary.  She is super active in the church, and she doesn't see why
> service animals wouldn't be allowed in the temples.  Of course, this was
> before I was made aware of the policies.  What is the reasoning from the
> church?  There are a lot of environments that might be stressful for dogs.
> High school, college, back stage...  All of those situations involve lots 
> of
> traffic going in many different directions, and my dog loved those
> environments.
>
> As for the previous discussion of concernts, yes, if the concert is open 
> to
> the public, they can't exclude service animals.  If they are billing it as 
> a
> concert and not a church service, then the LDS church might not be able to
> defend their policy with that one.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sunshine via
> NAGDU
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Churches and service dogs
>
> At one church I attended, someone made a Christmas vest for my Mallory! 
> She
> looked beautiful, too! Smiles!
>
>
>
> Sunshine and
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Julie McGinnity via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, September 30, 2017 12:48 am
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Churches and service dogs
>
> >
> >
> > I have never had a problem taking my guide dog to church.  Every week
> > I've sung on stage with a church choir for years, and both of my dogs
> > just came up there with me, no big deal.  They were even going to
> > accommodate me when I wanted to bring my dog on stage for our
> > Christmas shows.  I chose not to do so, but that was my decision,
> > unmotivated by anyone else.  I simply prefer not to work a dog while
> > trying to do choreography.
> >
> > My first dog had a bed in the choir room where she used to chill while
> > we rehearsed.  I'm at a different church now, and my current dog just
> > sleeps under the chair.  (To be fair, I couldn't put my first dog
> > under those chairs''')
> >
> > I've sung weddings in churches, and I've never had a problem with any
> > church I've ever entered.  This spring I did visit an LDS church, and
> > I was not the only one attending with a service dog.  I was not aware
> > that people with disabilities could not bring their service animals
> > into the conference centers to the general areas or into the temples,
> > though I had wondered about the temples.  Is this policy on their
> > website?  It seems reasonable enough to me for the temples...  But the
> > conferences?  I will keep an open mind but admit it seems strange to
> > me.
> >
> >
> >
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> > On 9/29/17, Charlene Ota via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > When I lived in Hawaii, when I got my dog, I was asked "You're not
> > > bringing that dog to church are you?"  I brought him with me and
> > > some people were disgusted, some were welcoming, some were mad
> > > because they couldn't treat him like a pet, but I just toughed it
> > > out and did my best to try to educate.
> > > Interestingly enough, there was a lady who brought her pet dog to
> > > church every Sunday long before I got Irish and that person was always
> welcome.
> > > She
> > > claimed she couldn't leave her dog at home because it had anxiety.
> > > She was a lawyer who worked with the pastor's wife, maybe that
> > > carried more clout than me as a blind person. That aspect of it
> > > really made me mad so I just determined my boy was coming to church
> > > with me no matter what they had to say about it.  Some people
> > > actually learned to respect him and value him. I finally decided to
> > > comment after seeing this last comment as that's about how I feel
> > > about it.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nimer
> > > Jaber via NAGDU
> > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 4:00 PM
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> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Churches and service dogs
> > >
> > > I wonder about how God feels about all of this discrimination of his
> > > people and his animals that he put on this Earth. Anyway, crawling
> > > back into my hole since I have nothing else to say on this topic.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 3:38 PM Tara Briggs via NAGDU
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> In the conference center, there are several events each year that I
> > >> recorded. Those events include Mormon Tabernacle choir concerts and
> > >> the twice yearly Mormon general conference. On those events, you
> > >> were not allowed to sit in the main area with your service dog. You
> > >> will either
> > > have
> > >> to leave or sit in the room apart from everybody else. The Mormon
> > >> Church also has temples in which different ordinances such as
> > >> baptisms for the dead and temple marriages are performed. You're
> > >> not allowed to bring your service dog into the Mormon Temple. On a
> > >> positive note, you are allowed to bring your service animal to
> > >> church meetings in Mormon meeting houses.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Sep 29, 2017, at 2:23 PM, David Bouchard via NAGDU
> > >> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I know that the LDS church bans service dogs from the main
> > >> > viewing area
> > >> from choir concerts, but do they discriminate in other settings?
> > >> >
> > >> > Sent from my iPhone
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:46 PM, lkeeler--- via NAGDU
> > >> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Only once, I had a weird experience. Passed a woman in church
> > >> >> with
> > >> Holly and she was very scared. But, otherwise, no issues yet. But,
> > >> this is Saint Francis of Assisi Catholic church and because that
> > >> Saint loved animals, I'm not really surprised that she is so
> > >> welcome. Actually, we've been in other churches and had no issues
> > >> iether.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Tara Briggs via NAGDU
> > >> >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:56 PM
> > >> >> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > >> >> Cc: Tara Briggs
> > >> >> Subject: [NAGDU] Churches and service dogs
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Hi everyone! On a previous thread, we have been talking about
> > >> >> the
> > >> experiences of people with service dogs and churches. In
> > >> particular, I
> > > have
> > >> talked about my experience with the Mormon church, or Church of
> > >> Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints, and their policies towards service
> animals.
> > >> I
> > >> am curious what other people's experiences have been have you had
> > >> positive experiences? What have they been like? Have you had
> > >> negative experiences?
> > >> How have you dealt with them? I look forward to any replies to this
> > >> topic!
> > >> >> Tara
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sent from my iPhone
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