[NAGDU] Guide dogs aroundthe world, current developments

Wed Apr 25 15:36:04 UTC 2018

hi all
just like to jump back in here again, thats exactly what I was saying.
regards
gabriel

> On 25 Apr 2018, at 15:18, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> I don't think Gabriel was saying there is anything wron with calling the school. I think what he is saying is that you need to be able to reason out things for yourself, or at least give it a shot before you go to the school and complain that the dog isn't working out. I could be wrong though. *smile*
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Guide dogs aroundthe world, current developments
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> What's wrong with students calling the school more than you would? That doesn't take away from you. Couple that with the advice "call the school" or "call us before the problems get too big" when someone has a problem, and there you go. 
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Guide dogs aroundthe world, current developments
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> Good day Dan
> I can only help your curiosity by telling you that the Irish school is consistent with that part of training, with their students, finding doors, for example bus stops is another example however, I have seen this in the past, with a couple of students, forgetting all this training when they get home and start to freak out, if they cannot find a door to a shopping mall and cry to the school that they are finding it hard and to ask for extra support from the school and 9-10 case the school gives in, here it is just my thought that person will never get the skills for them self if they keep calling on the school, this might sound harsh, but I did some work for the irish school two years ago.  So it is not be bad mouthing the school here, but I would have dealt with those students and their emotions around this.
> yes they focus on finding more objects etc in Ireland not to sure about the rest of Europe gabriel
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>> On 21 Apr 2018, at 13:13, Dan Weiner via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Very interesting, Bianka, now I have no answers but a comment, first of all I think our schools should work more on find commands and spend more time training the dogs on off leash recall.
>> 
>> I asked several different schools about why the European dogs seem to have a lot more in their repertoire of find commands and I never got a good answer other than them saying things like "oh well the dogs there only work in familiar areas so it's more that the dogs are used to thing they find daily" I'll leave that one without comment.
>> 
>> As far as off leash running around say in a forest, you know it's 
>> never that I objected to the idea but I do think it could be pretty 
>> difficult here to find a safe place. I have no idea whether there are 
>> good places for that in Europe and I imagine there is, also the 
>> requirement of an hour a day seems like it would take some doing to 
>> work in to your schedule...I'm wondering, those few Germans I've heard 
>> of who came to the US schools, or other Europeans who come to our 
>> schools, how did they deal with that in Europe, I'm interested also o 
>> for selfish reasons I'd love to live in Europe some day as it's been 
>> my desire for a long time and I'd be using a guide dog pretty much the 
>> rest of my life I suspect--smile
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway, I wish you will and will see what people have to say.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My honest idea about off leash running around here is that it's not a good idea here in the States and better to have a fenced in area, I say that based on  the environment traffic, people, hazards in the environment generally, and of course I don't see how you would guarantee that 100 percent of the time that your dog comes back to you. I talked to a lady from Denmark who takes her dog to off leash play time in a forest but she goes with a sighted person...
>> 
>> 
>> Cordially from Florida,
>> 
>> Dan W.
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>> On 4/21/2018 7:51 AM, Bianka via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Hello list,
>>> 
>>> A few days back I was watching a Youtube channel about a guide dog puppy in training, I think it was a GdB puppy. The series got me thinking. When I considered first training with a guide dog I joined Buddy-l and found out that there are major cultural differences in guide dog training. For example, in Germany, you have to provide your guide dog with free running time, no leash, no harness and ideally you have to find dogs your dog can sozialize with. My school requires us to provide about one hour a day free time for the dog in which he/she does not wear  a harness and preferably some of this time should be off leash outside in a park,  or in the country or the forest. Also, we don‘t use hand signals or position to convey commands to the dog and tie downs or crates are a rarity. No prong collars are allowed, although some people use head collars like Haltis or Gentle leaders. Also, our dogs are taught to go into the street when something is blocking the curb, to go around the obstacle and then return to the curb. Slowly, schools start teaching blind handlers to pick up after their dogs. We have about 30 to 40 commands a dog is required to know when fully trained, a lot of them find commands.
>>> 
>>> I was wondering, how is the policy in the U. S. Or in other countries around off leash recall these days? Did something change in the last years as clicker training and food rewards have been introduced regarding the training and handling of guide dogs?
>>> 
>>> I am just currious here.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for reading. ..
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Bianka
>>> 
>>> 
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