[NAGDU] For Miranda/Long Distance Travel
Peter Wolf
pwolf1 at wolfskills.com
Tue Feb 13 06:53:45 UTC 2018
Miranda,
We have long flights periodically. Cross country regularly. Last year, we went to Europe.
There are two things we do.
One, is stopping food and water six or more hours before flying, preferably eight. Plenty of pee and poop breaks, and then a good leisurely one at check in in the dog area of the airport.
Two is, we pack a couple of plastic backed training pads in the carry on. I’ll turn the pad user side down and touch it to just a small drop of my dog’s pee one day, and then let it dry. This new pad, dried, I’ll fold into a gallon ziplock. It lives in my suitcase, clean in the bag, no smell because it was only just a drop, and is dry. You can train your dog to use this in an enclosed space. I learned this once, on an Amtrack cross country train, before we had pads. My dog had an upset tract and had diarrhea spells. In a long haul without stops, she seriously communicated that she’d have to go, panting and trembling all over. We made a makeshift pad of a trash bag and newspaper in a bathroom space 2 by 2 feet. It took some communicating, but once she understood it was ok, she dropped it bullseye, we rolled it up, closed and sealed, and trashed it at the next stop. If trained for this, even easier. I have never again had to deal with this, but if needed, we (all) know this can work in a bathroom. As we learned, you never know if even when perfectly trained, one of our pups may have a digestive episode.
And then, in Amsterdam airport last year, it just happened that the airline at check in asked to see pads or another way to assure handling emergency elimination. And guess what, I reached into my case and flashed them a peak at the pads, game over. So learn and practice this maneuver so you know your dog can use it!
I have more and you can contact me offline at 707-829-0776. That’s including how to keep from dehydrating, and quick hydration on landing too, and another step if it is needed. -Peter
In case of dehydration which is a concern to anyone flying, we do carry water on board or ask for some in a cup. On long flights, we’ll give just a little tiny bit from halfway to the end of the flight, from a small infant syringe like the freebies the pharmacists give at the store, by mouth, just a little squirt to swallow, say a couple of tablespoons total. That’s only if there seems to be any dehydration. That’s to prevent dehydration, but not enough to stimulate the urinary tract.
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> Subject: [NAGDU] Mill'E
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> Sorry if people see this more than once but I can only write this one time.
> Yesterday we took Shouty Mildred-- my 15 year old retired service dog to the vet because she seemed to be in quite a bit of pain. This was sudden-- I'd moved in to my new house 2 weeks ago and the vet had put her on a new medication shortly before that which seemed to really help her. So I was surprised to see her suddenly in so much pain. So we took her in and he did some xrays because there was a marked increase in swelling of the right hind leg since her previous appointment 3 weeks ago. The xrays showed what was probably bone cancer. He said we could have done a biopsy but he felt like it would just confirm his diagnosis and he felt like it would only prolong things. So I made the choice to end her life.
> Soleil was very close to her and is now refusing to eat or really drink much water or to be involved in much. She will still work and seems to enjoy that but if things don't turn around for her in the eating and fluid intake department we are going back to the vet tomorrow.
> It's Mardi Gras here so I am pretty much stuck at home. I'd normally find make-work for her but it's chucking down rain and we can't walk and the forms of pubtrans are all clogged with celebrents. I am hoping things turn around for her in the next day or so.
> We will all miss our Mildred very much and I'm still just at a loss.
>
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 09:55:07 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Long international flights and dog relief
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> I have flown with my dog from New York to Ireland, which was a 6-hour
> flight. I took the dog out several times beforehand, including using the
> indoor relief area at the airport as close to departure as possible. It
> worked out OK. The flight is actually shorter than the time my dog sleeps
> at night.
>
> I have heard that the Japanese train their dogs so well with the relieving
> harness that, if necessary, the dog can relieve itself in the aisle of a
> plane without making any kind of mess. I was mightily impressed, and I'm
> going to experiment with the relieving harness. I don't plan to let my dog
> try relieving on the plane, but it would be nice to know it's possible, as a
> last resort.
> Tracy
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:36 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Miranda B.
> Subject: [NAGDU] Long international flights and dog relief
>
> Hi again everyone,
>
> Ok, I'm back with another travel question-this one of the international
> variety. I wrote a few months back and mentioned the possibility of
> traveling to Athens, Greece. If I were to indeed travel to Athens with my
> dog, it looks like my longest flight would be from Philadelphia, PA to
> Athens. It looks like this flight would be 9 hours. My first thought was,
> "My poor dog!" My second thought however was, "Come on. I cannot possibly be
> the first handler to travel internationally with my dog."
>
> As we discussed before, I'd rather have a direct flight from somewhere in
> the U.S., to avoid needing documentation for more countries than absolutely
> necessary.
>
> For those of you who have traveled internationally with your dog, how did
> you deal with the long flights and inability to relieve your dog during
> those long flights? I would minimize food and water intake for my dog prior
> to beginning the trip. Any other suggestions would be very much appreciated.
>
> Thanks as always for your time and assistance, and have a wonderful week!
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> Best wishes, Miranda
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> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
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> Hi Rox. I'm so sorry for your loss. I've enjoyed your stories of all the
> things Mil'e did for you. She was an amazing girl.
> Peace and blessings to you and Soleil.
> Tracy
>
>
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> Subject: [NAGDU] Mill'E
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> Sorry if people see this more than once but I can only write this one time.
> Yesterday we took Shouty Mildred-- my 15 year old retired service dog to the
> vet because she seemed to be in quite a bit of pain. This was sudden-- I'd
> moved in to my new house 2 weeks ago and the vet had put her on a new
> medication shortly before that which seemed to really help her. So I was
> surprised to see her suddenly in so much pain. So we took her in and he did
> some xrays because there was a marked increase in swelling of the right hind
> leg since her previous appointment 3 weeks ago. The xrays showed what was
> probably bone cancer. He said we could have done a biopsy but he felt like
> it would just confirm his diagnosis and he felt like it would only prolong
> things. So I made the choice to end her life.
> Soleil was very close to her and is now refusing to eat or really drink much
> water or to be involved in much. She will still work and seems to enjoy
> that but if things don't turn around for her in the eating and fluid intake
> department we are going back to the vet tomorrow.
> It's Mardi Gras here so I am pretty much stuck at home. I'd normally find
> make-work for her but it's chucking down rain and we can't walk and the
> forms of pubtrans are all clogged with celebrents. I am hoping things turn
> around for her in the next day or so.
> We will all miss our Mildred very much and I'm still just at a loss.
>
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:37:21 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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> Subject: [NAGDU] CA service dog protection bill
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> I?m forwarding a notice to TSE graduates about a proposed bill in California to protect service dogs and dogs in training.
>
> Tracy
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>
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>
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> From: gradservices at seeingeye.org [mailto:gradservices at seeingeye.org]
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:05 AM
> Subject: A message to our California graduates
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> Dear California graduate of The Seeing Eye:
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> The Golden State Guide Dog Handlers has introduced AB-1865. The details follow.
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> Summary of Bill:
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> Under existing law, it is an infraction or a misdemeanor for any person to permit any dog that is owned, harbored, or controlled by him or her to cause injury to, or the death of, any guide, signal, or service dog, as defined, while the guide, signal, or service dog is in discharge of its duties.
>
> This bill would delete, from both crimes, the requirement that the guide, signal, or service dog be in discharge of its duties when the injury or death occurs.
>
> Also, would make these crimes applicable to the injury or death of dogs that are enrolled in a training school or program for guide, signal, or service dogs, as specified.
>
> The bill would require the defendant, convicted of either crime, to also make restitution to the person for medical or medical-related expenses, or for loss of wages or income, incurred by the person as a direct result of the crime. The bill would authorize the disabled person to apply for compensation from the California Victim Compensation Board and would authorize the board to pay compensation for medical and medical-related expenses, and loss of wages or income incurred by the person with a disability as a direct result of a violation of those criminal provisions, in an amount not to exceed $10,000.
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> You may support this bill by calling or emailing:
>
> Amanda Hernandez, Assembly Fellow
> Assemblyman Tom Lackey
> 916-319-2036
> Email: amanda.hernandez at asm.ca.gov
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> If you need additional talking points before you call, please contact Seeing Eye graduate Margie Donovan at 916 293 9505. Also email Margie to advise who you called and what was the result of the call. You may email Margie at margie.donovan1 at outlook.com.
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> Please take the time to contact your representatives and let them know that they should be supporting this bill on your behalf:
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> * Assembly Member Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer, Sr. 59th California Assembly District; phone 916-319-2059
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 13:23:55 -0500
> From: "margo Downey" <margo.downey at roadrunner.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Mill'E
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> Oh, my. Here's a huge hug.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The Pawpower
> Pack via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:47 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: The Pawpower Pack
> Subject: [NAGDU] Mill'E
>
> Sorry if people see this more than once but I can only write this one time.
>
> Yesterday we took Shouty Mildred-- my 15 year old retired service dog to
> the vet because she seemed to be in quite a bit of pain. This was sudden--
> I'd moved in to my new house 2 weeks ago and the vet had put her on a new
> medication shortly before that which seemed to really help her. So I was
> surprised to see her suddenly in so much pain. So we took her in and he
> did some xrays because there was a marked increase in swelling of the right
> hind leg since her previous appointment 3 weeks ago. The xrays showed what
> was probably bone cancer. He said we could have done a biopsy but he felt
> like it would just confirm his diagnosis and he felt like it would only
> prolong things. So I made the choice to end her life.
> Soleil was very close to her and is now refusing to eat or really drink
> much water or to be involved in much. She will still work and seems to
> enjoy that but if things don't turn around for her in the eating and fluid
> intake department we are going back to the vet tomorrow.
> It's Mardi Gras here so I am pretty much stuck at home. I'd normally find
> make-work for her but it's chucking down rain and we can't walk and the
> forms of pubtrans are all clogged with celebrents. I am hoping things turn
> around for her in the next day or so.
> We will all miss our Mildred very much and I'm still just at a loss.
>
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 13:44:32 -0500
> From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Mill'E
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> Rox,
>
> I am so saddened to hear this news! Please know that I am holding
> you in my t houghts and prayers!
>
> Blessings!
> Marion
>
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
> National Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind people
> and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds
> you back.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The Pawpower Pack
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 9:47 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: The Pawpower Pack
> Subject: [NAGDU] Mill'E
>
> Sorry if people see this more than once but I can only write this one time.
> Yesterday we took Shouty Mildred-- my 15 year old retired service dog to the
> vet because she seemed to be in quite a bit of pain. This was sudden-- I'd
> moved in to my new house 2 weeks ago and the vet had put her on a new
> medication shortly before that which seemed to really help her. So I was
> surprised to see her suddenly in so much pain. So we took her in and he did
> some xrays because there was a marked increase in swelling of the right hind
> leg since her previous appointment 3 weeks ago. The xrays showed what was
> probably bone cancer. He said we could have done a biopsy but he felt like
> it would just confirm his diagnosis and he felt like it would only prolong
> things. So I made the choice to end her life.
> Soleil was very close to her and is now refusing to eat or really drink much
> water or to be involved in much. She will still work and seems to enjoy
> that but if things don't turn around for her in the eating and fluid intake
> department we are going back to the vet tomorrow.
> It's Mardi Gras here so I am pretty much stuck at home. I'd normally find
> make-work for her but it's chucking down rain and we can't walk and the
> forms of pubtrans are all clogged with celebrents. I am hoping things turn
> around for her in the next day or so.
> We will all miss our Mildred very much and I'm still just at a loss.
>
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:43:16 -0500
> From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] fines for bad behavior
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> Dear All,
>
> The National Asssociation of Guide Dog Users does not have an official position on this issue. My personal opinion is that these laws, though possibly a deterrent to those who would misrepresent their pets as service animals to gain access to public places where pets are generally not allowed, are unenforceable. The Americans with Disabilities act prohibits public entities and private entities that provide public accommodations from making specific inquiries about the nature or extent of a person?s disability or asking for identification or other documentation that an animal has been trained. This means that a law enforcement officer, as an agent of a public entity, may not make such inquiries beyond the two allowed by the implementing regulations:1. Is this a service animal required because of a disability? and 2. what task or work has the animal been trained to perform?
>
> This raises the question of how it will be determined a person is misrepresenting themselves as a person with a disability and the dog as a service animal? I perceive the only way this sort of measure might be enforced would be if a person were denied access with their animal, file a charge against the establishment, and when the court asked for proof the individual had standing to pursue the charges, found that there was no evidence the dog had been trained. In other words, I think it is highly unlikely this measure will ever be enforced.
>
> These things being said, I believe a better approach is to educate businesses as to their rights to exclude dogs that are not under control and what, exactly the definition and application of ?direct threat? means under the ADA and state law.
>
> I would be open to hearing your thoughts and suggestions on this issue.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
> National Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds you back.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:01 PM
> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
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> Subject: [NAGDU] fines for bad behavior
>
> Washington House Approves Fines For People Who Lie About Non-Trained Service Animals By Doug Nadvornick ? Feb 8, 2018 http://spokanepublicradio.org/post/washington-house-approves-fines-people-who-lie-about-non-trained-service-animals
>
> People with trained service animals helped write a bill in the Washington legislature that would fine owners who fraudulently claim their animals are trained.
> Credit Spokane Cares
> The Washington House has taken a step toward punishing people who misrepresent their animals as service animals.
>
> The chamber on Thursday approved a bill that gives law enforcement officers the right to question animal owners if it?s not obvious the person has a disability. If it?s determined the owner is lying, the officer can write a ticket that carries a fine of up to $500.
>
> Supporters say many people take advantage of the federal law that allows trained service animals to accompany their owners anywhere.
>
> ?When we start having issues in our grocery stores, our libraries, our restaurants, where people are bringing in not only service dogs that are not service dogs, but also other animals, animals such as a snake or a cat and trying to misrepresent them as service animals, then we have trouble for citizens and for especially those in the disabled community who support this bill,? said Rep. Joan McBride (D-Kirkland).
>
> Rep. Vincent Buys (R-Lynden) says people with trained service animals helped to craft the bill.
>
> ?Having non-trained service animals or emotional service animals, emotional support animals, it is very distracting and I think it does a disservice to those citizens that need that support," Buys said.
>
> The vote in the House was unanimous. The bill now moves to the Senate.
>
>
>
> Julie
> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=1916046>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:56:18 -0500
> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] fines for bad behavior
> Message-ID: <e1f86daa.107f.4c0f.8e6d.9448312ab09a at samobile.net>
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>
> Original It seems to me, if questions are not asked, then we will be
> back to where we started from.
> All pets will be on the plane, and folks can get bit once again.
> The problem needs to stop at each air port before they even get a
> chance to walk in to get any kind of ticket.
> Even if they get the ticket on line.
> To be stopped with a guard there, and someone who knows all of the
> rules on behalf of the request of the air lines.
> Or tell the person the only way set pet can fly is in cargo.
> If they don't have the money for cargo, then they need to leave set
> animal at home.
> Just my thoughts.
> message:
>> Dear All,
>
>> The National Asssociation of Guide Dog Users does not have an
>> official position on this issue. My personal opinion is that these
>> laws, though possibly a deterrent to those who would misrepresent their
>> pets as service animals to gain access to public places where pets are
>> generally not allowed, are unenforceable. The Americans with
>> Disabilities act prohibits public entities and private entities that
>> provide public accommodations from making specific inquiries about the
>> nature or extent of a person?s disability or asking for identification
>> or other documentation that an animal has been trained. This means that
>> a law enforcement officer, as an agent of a public entity, may not make
>> such inquiries beyond the two allowed by the implementing
>> regulations:1. Is this a service animal required because of a
>> disability? and 2. what task or work has the animal been trained to perform?
>
>> This raises the question of how it will be determined a person
>> is misrepresenting themselves as a person with a disability and the dog
>> as a service animal? I perceive the only way this sort of measure might
>> be enforced would be if a person were denied access with their animal,
>> file a charge against the establishment, and when the court asked for
>> proof the individual had standing to pursue the charges, found that
>> there was no evidence the dog had been trained. In other words, I think
>> it is highly unlikely this measure will ever be enforced.
>
>> These things being said, I believe a better approach is to
>> educate businesses as to their rights to exclude dogs that are not
>> under control and what, exactly the definition and application of
>> ?direct threat? means under the ADA and state law.
>
>> I would be open to hearing your thoughts and suggestions on this issue.
>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>
>
>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
>> National Federation of the Blind
>> (813) 626-2789
>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>
>
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
>> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not
>> what holds you back.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>> Johnson via NAGDU
>> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:01 PM
>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
>> Cc: Julie Johnson
>> Subject: [NAGDU] fines for bad behavior
>
>> Washington House Approves Fines For People Who Lie About Non-Trained
>> Service Animals By Doug Nadvornick ? Feb 8, 2018
>> http://spokanepublicradio.org/post/washington-house-approves-fines-people-who-lie-about-non-trained-service-animals
>
>> People with trained service animals helped write a bill in the
>> Washington legislature that would fine owners who fraudulently claim
>> their animals are trained.
>> Credit Spokane Cares
>> The Washington House has taken a step toward punishing people who
>> misrepresent their animals as service animals.
>
>> The chamber on Thursday approved a bill that gives law enforcement
>> officers the right to question animal owners if it?s not obvious the
>> person has a disability. If it?s determined the owner is lying, the
>> officer can write a ticket that carries a fine of up to $500.
>
>> Supporters say many people take advantage of the federal law that
>> allows trained service animals to accompany their owners anywhere.
>
>> ?When we start having issues in our grocery stores, our libraries, our
>> restaurants, where people are bringing in not only service dogs that
>> are not service dogs, but also other animals, animals such as a snake
>> or a cat and trying to misrepresent them as service animals, then we
>> have trouble for citizens and for especially those in the disabled
>> community who support this bill,? said Rep. Joan McBride (D-Kirkland).
>
>> Rep. Vincent Buys (R-Lynden) says people with trained service animals
>> helped to craft the bill.
>
>> ?Having non-trained service animals or emotional service animals,
>> emotional support animals, it is very distracting and I think it does a
>> disservice to those citizens that need that support," Buys said.
>
>> The vote in the House was unanimous. The bill now moves to the Senate.
>
>
>
>> Julie
>> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
>> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
>> <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=1916046>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:24:56 -0600
> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jordangandbelto at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] fines for bad behavior
> Message-ID: <00e001d3a376$627c2d50$277487f0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> I agree that education is the better way to go. It seems I have been having to do that a lot over the past seven years.
> Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NAGDU President via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:43 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: NAGDU President <blind411 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] fines for bad behavior
>
> Dear All,
>
> The National Asssociation of Guide Dog Users does not have an official position on this issue. My personal opinion is that these laws, though possibly a deterrent to those who would misrepresent their pets as service animals to gain access to public places where pets are generally not allowed, are unenforceable. The Americans with Disabilities act prohibits public entities and private entities that provide public accommodations from making specific inquiries about the nature or extent of a person?s disability or asking for identification or other documentation that an animal has been trained. This means that a law enforcement officer, as an agent of a public entity, may not make such inquiries beyond the two allowed by the implementing regulations:1. Is this a service animal required because of a disability? and 2. what task or work has the animal been trained to perform?
>
> This raises the question of how it will be determined a person is misrepresenting themselves as a person with a disability and the dog as a service animal? I perceive the only way this sort of measure might be enforced would be if a person were denied access with their animal, file a charge against the establishment, and when the court asked for proof the individual had standing to pursue the charges, found that there was no evidence the dog had been trained. In other words, I think it is highly unlikely this measure will ever be enforced.
>
> These things being said, I believe a better approach is to educate businesses as to their rights to exclude dogs that are not under control and what, exactly the definition and application of ?direct threat? means under the ADA and state law.
>
> I would be open to hearing your thoughts and suggestions on this issue.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds you back.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:01 PM
> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
> Cc: Julie Johnson
> Subject: [NAGDU] fines for bad behavior
>
> Washington House Approves Fines For People Who Lie About Non-Trained Service Animals By Doug Nadvornick ? Feb 8, 2018 http://spokanepublicradio.org/post/washington-house-approves-fines-people-who-lie-about-non-trained-service-animals
>
> People with trained service animals helped write a bill in the Washington legislature that would fine owners who fraudulently claim their animals are trained.
> Credit Spokane Cares
> The Washington House has taken a step toward punishing people who misrepresent their animals as service animals.
>
> The chamber on Thursday approved a bill that gives law enforcement officers the right to question animal owners if it?s not obvious the person has a disability. If it?s determined the owner is lying, the officer can write a ticket that carries a fine of up to $500.
>
> Supporters say many people take advantage of the federal law that allows trained service animals to accompany their owners anywhere.
>
> ?When we start having issues in our grocery stores, our libraries, our restaurants, where people are bringing in not only service dogs that are not service dogs, but also other animals, animals such as a snake or a cat and trying to misrepresent them as service animals, then we have trouble for citizens and for especially those in the disabled community who support this bill,? said Rep. Joan McBride (D-Kirkland).
>
> Rep. Vincent Buys (R-Lynden) says people with trained service animals helped to craft the bill.
>
> ?Having non-trained service animals or emotional service animals, emotional support animals, it is very distracting and I think it does a disservice to those citizens that need that support," Buys said.
>
> The vote in the House was unanimous. The bill now moves to the Senate.
>
>
>
> Julie
> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=1916046>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:44:14 -0500
> From: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
> To: The Pawpower Pack via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Mill'E
> Message-ID: <5a80ab21.954f240a.d3c5a.651c at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hi Rox so sorry for your loss. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
>
> On Feb 11, 2018 9:47 AM, The Pawpower Pack via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry if people see this more than once but I can only write this one time.
>> Yesterday we took Shouty Mildred-- my 15 year old retired service dog to the vet because she seemed to be in quite a bit of pain.? This was sudden-- I'd moved in to my new house 2 weeks ago and the vet had put her on a new medication shortly before that which seemed to really help her.? So I was surprised to see her suddenly in so much pain.? So we took her in and he did some xrays because there was a marked increase in swelling of the right hind leg since her previous appointment 3 weeks ago. The xrays showed what was probably bone cancer.? He said we could have done a biopsy but he felt like it would just confirm his diagnosis and he felt like it would only prolong things.? So I made the choice to end her life.?
>> Soleil was very close to her and is now refusing to eat or really drink much water or to be involved in much.? She will still work and seems to enjoy that but if things don't turn around for her in the eating and fluid intake department we are going back to the vet tomorrow.?
>> It's Mardi Gras here so I am pretty much stuck at home.? I'd normally find make-work for her but it's chucking down rain and we can't walk and the forms of pubtrans are all clogged with celebrents. I am hoping things turn around for her in the next day or so.?
>> We will all miss our Mildred very much and I'm still just at a loss.???
>>
>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
>> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
>> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:52:50 -0500
> From: "NAGDU President" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] fines for bad behavior
> Message-ID: <032001d3a37a$48338570$d89a9050$@verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Jordan,
>
> I have been a guide dog user for 30 years and I have been educating others about guide dog use and access for, well, 30 years! I kind of knew that, once I had a guide dog, I would be spending more time educating the public. One tool I suggest for everyone is our fantastic full-color, 11 X 17 brochure entitled, Meeting a Working Guide Dog Team". It is something that is very organic. Once you give it to someone they tend to pass it along. This is why I always give two!
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
> National Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds you back.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:25 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Jordan Gallacher
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] fines for bad behavior
>
> I agree that education is the better way to go. It seems I have been having to do that a lot over the past seven years.
> Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NAGDU President via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 1:43 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: NAGDU President <blind411 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] fines for bad behavior
>
> Dear All,
>
> The National Asssociation of Guide Dog Users does not have an official position on this issue. My personal opinion is that these laws, though possibly a deterrent to those who would misrepresent their pets as service animals to gain access to public places where pets are generally not allowed, are unenforceable. The Americans with Disabilities act prohibits public entities and private entities that provide public accommodations from making specific inquiries about the nature or extent of a person?s disability or asking for identification or other documentation that an animal has been trained. This means that a law enforcement officer, as an agent of a public entity, may not make such inquiries beyond the two allowed by the implementing regulations:1. Is this a service animal required because of a disability? and 2. what task or work has the animal been trained to perform?
>
> This raises the question of how it will be determined a person is misrepresenting themselves as a person with a disability and the dog as a service animal? I perceive the only way this sort of measure might be enforced would be if a person were denied access with their animal, file a charge against the establishment, and when the court asked for proof the individual had standing to pursue the charges, found that there was no evidence the dog had been trained. In other words, I think it is highly unlikely this measure will ever be enforced.
>
> These things being said, I believe a better approach is to educate businesses as to their rights to exclude dogs that are not under control and what, exactly the definition and application of ?direct threat? means under the ADA and state law.
>
> I would be open to hearing your thoughts and suggestions on this issue.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds you back.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:01 PM
> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
> Cc: Julie Johnson
> Subject: [NAGDU] fines for bad behavior
>
> Washington House Approves Fines For People Who Lie About Non-Trained Service Animals By Doug Nadvornick ? Feb 8, 2018 http://spokanepublicradio.org/post/washington-house-approves-fines-people-who-lie-about-non-trained-service-animals
>
> People with trained service animals helped write a bill in the Washington legislature that would fine owners who fraudulently claim their animals are trained.
> Credit Spokane Cares
> The Washington House has taken a step toward punishing people who misrepresent their animals as service animals.
>
> The chamber on Thursday approved a bill that gives law enforcement officers the right to question animal owners if it?s not obvious the person has a disability. If it?s determined the owner is lying, the officer can write a ticket that carries a fine of up to $500.
>
> Supporters say many people take advantage of the federal law that allows trained service animals to accompany their owners anywhere.
>
> ?When we start having issues in our grocery stores, our libraries, our restaurants, where people are bringing in not only service dogs that are not service dogs, but also other animals, animals such as a snake or a cat and trying to misrepresent them as service animals, then we have trouble for citizens and for especially those in the disabled community who support this bill,? said Rep. Joan McBride (D-Kirkland).
>
> Rep. Vincent Buys (R-Lynden) says people with trained service animals helped to craft the bill.
>
> ?Having non-trained service animals or emotional service animals, emotional support animals, it is very distracting and I think it does a disservice to those citizens that need that support," Buys said.
>
> The vote in the House was unanimous. The bill now moves to the Senate.
>
>
>
> Julie
> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=1916046>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:31:21 -0600
> From: "Charlene Ota" <caota4 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Mill'E
> Message-ID: <0b7f01d3a37f$aa3b6670$feb23350$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Rox, so very sorry for your loss. Wishing you and Soleil the very best! I
> sure hope Soleil gets her appetite back and I'm sure in time her spirits
> will be better, too!
>
> Thanks for all that you share about your dogs!
>
> Best with Hugs,
> Charlene
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The Pawpower Pack
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:48 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: The Pawpower Pack <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NAGDU] Mill'E
>
> Sorry if people see this more than once but I can only write this one time.
> Yesterday we took Shouty Mildred-- my 15 year old retired service dog to the
> vet because she seemed to be in quite a bit of pain. This was sudden-- I'd
> moved in to my new house 2 weeks ago and the vet had put her on a new
> medication shortly before that which seemed to really help her. So I was
> surprised to see her suddenly in so much pain. So we took her in and he did
> some xrays because there was a marked increase in swelling of the right hind
> leg since her previous appointment 3 weeks ago. The xrays showed what was
> probably bone cancer. He said we could have done a biopsy but he felt like
> it would just confirm his diagnosis and he felt like it would only prolong
> things. So I made the choice to end her life.
> Soleil was very close to her and is now refusing to eat or really drink much
> water or to be involved in much. She will still work and seems to enjoy
> that but if things don't turn around for her in the eating and fluid intake
> department we are going back to the vet tomorrow.
> It's Mardi Gras here so I am pretty much stuck at home. I'd normally find
> make-work for her but it's chucking down rain and we can't walk and the
> forms of pubtrans are all clogged with celebrents. I am hoping things turn
> around for her in the next day or so.
> We will all miss our Mildred very much and I'm still just at a loss.
>
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:02:40 -0600
> From: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] CA service dog protection bill
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> And why can't they do something similar with the ESA's on airlines and
> other transport conveyances? This makes more sense than the health
> paperwork that Delta is imposing.
>
> On 2/11/18, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I?m forwarding a notice to TSE graduates about a proposed bill in California
>> to protect service dogs and dogs in training.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: gradservices at seeingeye.org [mailto:gradservices at seeingeye.org]
>> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:05 AM
>> Subject: A message to our California graduates
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Dear California graduate of The Seeing Eye:
>>
>> The Golden State Guide Dog Handlers has introduced AB-1865. The details
>> follow.
>>
>> Summary of Bill:
>>
>> Under existing law, it is an infraction or a misdemeanor for any person to
>> permit any dog that is owned, harbored, or controlled by him or her to cause
>> injury to, or the death of, any guide, signal, or service dog, as defined,
>> while the guide, signal, or service dog is in discharge of its duties.
>>
>> This bill would delete, from both crimes, the requirement that the guide,
>> signal, or service dog be in discharge of its duties when the injury or
>> death occurs.
>>
>> Also, would make these crimes applicable to the injury or death of dogs
>> that are enrolled in a training school or program for guide, signal, or
>> service dogs, as specified.
>>
>> The bill would require the defendant, convicted of either crime, to also
>> make restitution to the person for medical or medical-related expenses, or
>> for loss of wages or income, incurred by the person as a direct result of
>> the crime. The bill would authorize the disabled person to apply for
>> compensation from the California Victim Compensation Board and would
>> authorize the board to pay compensation for medical and medical-related
>> expenses, and loss of wages or income incurred by the person with a
>> disability as a direct result of a violation of those criminal provisions,
>> in an amount not to exceed $10,000.
>>
>> You may support this bill by calling or emailing:
>>
>> Amanda Hernandez, Assembly Fellow
>> Assemblyman Tom Lackey
>> 916-319-2036
>> Email: amanda.hernandez at asm.ca.gov
>>
>> If you need additional talking points before you call, please contact Seeing
>> Eye graduate Margie Donovan at 916 293 9505. Also email Margie to advise
>> who you called and what was the result of the call. You may email Margie at
>> margie.donovan1 at outlook.com.
>>
>> Please take the time to contact your representatives and let them know that
>> they should be supporting this bill on your behalf:
>>
>> * Assembly Member Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer, Sr. 59th California Assembly
>> District; phone 916-319-2059
>> * Assembly Member Wendy Carrillo Representing the 51st California Assembly
>> District; phone 916-319-2051
>> * Assembly Member Lorena S. Gonzalez Fletcher Representing the 80th
>> California Assembly District; phone 916-319-2080
>> * Assembly Member Kevin Kiley Representing the 6th California Assembly
>> District; phone 916-319-2006
>> * Assembly Member Miguel Santiago Representing the 53 California Assembly
>> District; phone 916-319-2053
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Dave Johnson
>> The Seeing Eye, Inc.
>>
>> Image removed by sender.
>>
>>
>>
>> contact <http://support.seeingeye.org/site/R?i=vyevSKAAOFjkEmZXHSIqpA>
>>
>> The Seeing Eye
>> P.O. Box 375
>> Morristown, NJ 07960-0375
>>
>> (973) 539-4425
>> <mailto:info at seeingeye.org> info at seeingeye.org
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:01:43 -0500
> From: David <david at bakerinet.com>
> To: Danielle Ledet via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] CA service dog protection bill
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> Why should damages be limited to $10,000?? 'Sounds like a sellout to
> insurance companies.
>
> *David in Clearwater, FL*
> *david at bakerinet.com
>
> *
> On 2/11/2018 6:02 PM, Danielle Ledet via NAGDU wrote:
>> And why can't they do something similar with the ESA's on airlines and
>> other transport conveyances? This makes more sense than the health
>> paperwork that Delta is imposing.
>>
>> On 2/11/18, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I?m forwarding a notice to TSE graduates about a proposed bill in California
>>> to protect service dogs and dogs in training.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: gradservices at seeingeye.org [mailto:gradservices at seeingeye.org]
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:05 AM
>>> Subject: A message to our California graduates
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Image removed by sender. The Seeing Eye
>>>
>>> <http://support.seeingeye.org/site/R?i=pOZkOTjZEvFzQPMOyP72nA> Image
>>> removed by sender. Donate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear California graduate of The Seeing Eye:
>>>
>>> The Golden State Guide Dog Handlers has introduced AB-1865. The details
>>> follow.
>>>
>>> Summary of Bill:
>>>
>>> Under existing law, it is an infraction or a misdemeanor for any person to
>>> permit any dog that is owned, harbored, or controlled by him or her to cause
>>> injury to, or the death of, any guide, signal, or service dog, as defined,
>>> while the guide, signal, or service dog is in discharge of its duties.
>>>
>>> This bill would delete, from both crimes, the requirement that the guide,
>>> signal, or service dog be in discharge of its duties when the injury or
>>> death occurs.
>>>
>>> Also, would make these crimes applicable to the injury or death of dogs
>>> that are enrolled in a training school or program for guide, signal, or
>>> service dogs, as specified.
>>>
>>> The bill would require the defendant, convicted of either crime, to also
>>> make restitution to the person for medical or medical-related expenses, or
>>> for loss of wages or income, incurred by the person as a direct result of
>>> the crime. The bill would authorize the disabled person to apply for
>>> compensation from the California Victim Compensation Board and would
>>> authorize the board to pay compensation for medical and medical-related
>>> expenses, and loss of wages or income incurred by the person with a
>>> disability as a direct result of a violation of those criminal provisions,
>>> in an amount not to exceed $10,000.
>>>
>>> You may support this bill by calling or emailing:
>>>
>>> Amanda Hernandez, Assembly Fellow
>>> Assemblyman Tom Lackey
>>> 916-319-2036
>>> Email: amanda.hernandez at asm.ca.gov
>>>
>>> If you need additional talking points before you call, please contact Seeing
>>> Eye graduate Margie Donovan at 916 293 9505. Also email Margie to advise
>>> who you called and what was the result of the call. You may email Margie at
>>> margie.donovan1 at outlook.com.
>>>
>>> Please take the time to contact your representatives and let them know that
>>> they should be supporting this bill on your behalf:
>>>
>>> * Assembly Member Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer, Sr. 59th California Assembly
>>> District; phone 916-319-2059
>>> * Assembly Member Wendy Carrillo Representing the 51st California Assembly
>>> District; phone 916-319-2051
>>> * Assembly Member Lorena S. Gonzalez Fletcher Representing the 80th
>>> California Assembly District; phone 916-319-2080
>>> * Assembly Member Kevin Kiley Representing the 6th California Assembly
>>> District; phone 916-319-2006
>>> * Assembly Member Miguel Santiago Representing the 53 California Assembly
>>> District; phone 916-319-2053
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Dave Johnson
>>> The Seeing Eye, Inc.
>>>
>>> Image removed by sender.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> contact <http://support.seeingeye.org/site/R?i=vyevSKAAOFjkEmZXHSIqpA>
>>>
>>> The Seeing Eye
>>> P.O. Box 375
>>> Morristown, NJ 07960-0375
>>>
>>> (973) 539-4425
>>> <mailto:info at seeingeye.org> info at seeingeye.org
>>>
>>> <http://seeing.convio.net/site/CO?i=1F4VkMMUnV7KlezCaD5pqkPK8mTPLXNT&cid=1061>
>>> unsubscribe
>>>
>>> social <http://support.seeingeye.org/site/R?i=6Ur7YuE9Rq1mesW8HO75pQ>
>>>
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>>> removed by sender. Facebook
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>>>
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>>> removed by sender. Donate
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>>> nonprofit software
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>>>
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