[NAGDU] Using positive reinforcement instead of punishment

[d m gina]

Over head objects crack me up.
I was at a school where we were practicing this over head thing
Problem was, everyone was much taler than I was.
So I would strole under the over head.
They would lower it down and the same thing would happen.
Now I just cracked up.
I am at five feet where the fellers were at six five and so on.
Yes I was the short one in the class.
Original message:
> My last dog from GDB was very good at overheads, because they really
> worked on it.  They had an obstacle course set up in the garden, with
> overhead bars that fell down with a clang if one bumped into them, so we
> could actually practice.
> That was 20 years ago now.  Does GDB still really work at avoiding
> overheads, or does any other school?  I know they can be tricky, as dogs
> don't really look up very high.
> Tracy

>> This is such a good conversation with good ideas.

>> On Jan 21, 2018 15:07, "Dan Weiner via NAGDU" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>> very interesting, I honestly have never found that, right out of the box
>> so
>> to speak, the dogs do well with overheads, it takes a lot of reinforcement
>> and consistency, even then I'm not convinced that dogs are able to look up
>> when they're looking forward, right and left--smile. I'm tall enough, six
>> four, 193 cm, and even if my dog does it well, sooner or later something
>> will happen--smile. All of my dogs did great at it in  familiar
>> environments where they were expecting overheads that they were used to,
>> but in unfamiliar areas it could be a problem.  Yes, tapping or showing
>> the
>> dog  the object, maybe shaking it a bit if you won't hurt yourself   is
>> fine.  But I just warn you, in my opinion, sooner or later you will hit
>> something from overhead.

>> On the thee hand, I can tell you a story--smile. you were afraid of that,
>> weren't you.

>> When I was taking a summer course at Middle bury college I stayed in the
>> dorm and there was a staircase which would be partially in the way of my
>> face--smile. when I walked with Evan, dog at the time he always took me
>> around it. but one day there was going to be a loud party  with dancing
>> and
>> I left Evan to sleep in my room and sallied forth with the cane....well
>> not
>> knowing that that particular staircase would indeed cause resistance to my
>> head if passed--smile I banged right in to it...Evan had always taken me
>> around it...that definitely woke me up. The moral of the story is, I bet
>> for every misjudgement our dogs make even with overheads that there are
>> plenty of things they are keeping ous safe from.


>> Dan the man with Parker the hound




>> On 1/21/2018 2:49 PM, Bianka via NAGDU wrote:

>>> Hi Jiska and all,

>>> My current school does not usually teach to rework a situation like this
>>> but I know it from my previous school and have used it with all my dogs.
>>> Personally, I found that leash corrections are not the right way to
>>> handle
>>> these kinds of situations. I feel asking the dog to stop, turn around
>>> and
>>> rework the situation is disrupting the flow in such a way that usually
>>> the
>>> dog will be motivated to do it right next time. Now, if I see the same
>>> mistake a second time I usually drop the harness handle and show my dog
>>> the
>>> overhead obstacle or the curb he/she missed if it‘s safe, that will
>>> usually
>>> do the trick. Even with my black lab who was sometimes hard to motivate
>>> a
>>> leash correction would only shut her down in those situations.

>>> As for the clicker, I have conditioned a praise word and I do use treats
>>> if I know it will help my dog stay on track. I find the clicker very
>>> helpful in training really specific behaviors but you have to be very
>>> careful as to the timing of the click. On route I use a conditioned
>>> marker
>>> word and treats. As for a no reward marker, I think it‘s a question of
>>> attitude. Dogs are very good pattern matchers. So you could either use a
>>> non-reward marker or just use a command to tell the dog what he/she
>>> should
>>> do. In fact, my school teaches a non-reward marker or verbal correction
>>> has
>>> always to be followed by the thing we want our dog to do in that
>>> particular
>>> moment.

>>> Just my two cents, hth,

>>> Kind regards,

>>> Bianka



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