[NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response
Scott Berry
sb356607 at gmail.com
Thu Jan 25 22:54:46 UTC 2018
Correct. Same as advocating for yourself. I agree.
> On Jan 25, 2018, at 3:45 PM, Wayne And Harley D via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello,How about refusing to have our civil rights diminished because of non-disabled folks fraudulently misrepresenting their pets as Service Animals?
> Wayne And Harley D
> k9dad at k9di.org
> -------- Original message --------From: Christopher O'meally via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Date: 1/25/18 11:00 (GMT-06:00) To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Cc: Christopher O'meally <chris.omeally at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response
> fare. I'm still defending my point that at least delta is trying to
> weed out the fakes. They don't specialize in this sort of thing, so
> we need to work with them on making this fare to us while still
> weeding out the fakes. I don't think this should go away and I do
> think delta means well. so why be mad at them? lets work with them.
> every airline or travel agency should do this period.
>
> On 1/25/18, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Actually, no. Last time I flew, I checked in online, and went straight to
>> security when I arrived. Much quicker. Before that, I think I got my
>> boarding pass curbside, which was also faster than standing in the check-in
>> line.
>> Tracy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
>> O'meally via NAGDU
>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 11:37 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Christopher O'meally
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response
>>
>> don't you have to wait in line at the airport to check in anyway? if you
>> have to submit paperwork early, check in online, then your time at the
>> airport won't be effected.
>>
>> On 1/25/18, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Chris, my understanding is that, somehow, we have to provide health
>>> records at least 2 days before flying, but then we must also check in
>>> at a Delta counter when we arrive at the airport. No more online
>>> check-in, stroll to security, show the boarding pass on the phone, and be
>>> on your way.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
>>> O'meally via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:48 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Christopher O'meally
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's
>>> Response
>>>
>>> I personally don't see the big deal. When I travel, I braing basic
>>> documentation with me in the event my dog needs medical attention,
>>> every handler should when they fly. We have to check in two days
>>> early, so we can just go through to security when we get there instead of
>>> standing in line.
>>> But from the other side, I could see how having to report this so far
>>> ahead of your flight can be annoying at worst, so maybe we should work
>>> with delta in modifying this maybe? just not sure giving this any
>>> negative attention will give us anything we want.
>>> Compromises are much mor welcome to large corperations. They don't
>>> like to be told what they want is wrong. just my opinion though.
>>>
>>> On 1/25/18, Roanna Bacchus via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> I am proud of you for sending this email to guiding eyes for the
>>>> blind. I was shocked when I read about this policy from Delta
>>>> Airlines. I someone who travels regularly, I have never had my cane
>>>> taken away from me on a flight.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 24, 2018, at 11:58 PM, NAGDU President via NAGDU
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear NAGDU Members & Supporters,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am writing to share with you my comments to Guiding Eyes for the
>>>>> Blind regarding their comments on Delta's proposed service animal
>>>>> policy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion Gwizdala their statement
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> January 24, 2018
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Mr. Cawley,
>>>>>
>>>>> Via Email: bcawley at guidingeyes.org
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to express my extreme disappointment with the
>>>>> response by Guiding eyes for the Blind to the issue we are facing
>>>>> with delta Airlines. The National Association of Guide Dog Users, a
>>>>> strong and proud division of the National Federation of the Blind,
>>>>> is committed to advocating for all guide dog users, whether they
>>>>> receive their guide dogs from a formal training program or choose to
>>>>> owner-train their dogs. We are also aware that, when we advocate for
>>>>> policies that affect us as guide dog users, we have a more global
>>>>> responsibility to the entire service dog industry. We take this
>>>>> responsibility seriously and reject any attempt to weaken our civil
>>>>> rights. This being said, we oppose any measures that have the effect
>>>>> of discriminating against disabled individuals who use service dogs,
>>>>> including the imposition of an unequal benefit, something Guiding
>>>>> Eyes for the Blind seems to condone in their recent statement.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Though it is true that consumers of Guiding Eyes for the Blind and
>>>>> other guide dog training programs are issued identification cards,
>>>>> these cards are not and should not be required as a precondition for
>>>>> access under the Air Carrier Access Act or a covered entity under
>>>>> the Americans with Disabilities Act. Though it is equally true that
>>>>> all responsible animal owners, including guide and service dog
>>>>> users, must accept the responsibility of maintaining the health of
>>>>> their dogs, it is paternalistic to require us to demonstrate that we
>>>>> are doing so just because we are blind or otherwise disabled and use
>>>>> a service dog! The requirement to present a health record as a
>>>>> precondition to travel is discriminatory and imposes an undue burden
>>>>> for those of us who use service dogs. Likewise, the inability to
>>>>> book on-demand travel and check-in online, curbside, or by means of
>>>>> a kiosk is a discriminatory unequal benefit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> By issuing their statement, Guiding Eyes for the
>>>>> Blind has done a disservice to their consumers and the entire
>>>>> service dog using public. Such an ill-informed position compromises
>>>>> the progress made by the National Federation of the Blind and the
>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users to ensure that service dog
>>>>> users have the right to full participation in society on terms of
>>>>> full equality and to travel freely without harassment or the
>>>>> imposition of unnecessary, burdensome requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Association of Guide Dog Users strongly
>>>>> urges Guiding Eyes for the Blind to rescind their statement and take
>>>>> a stand with us to demand that those of us who choose to use service
>>>>> dogs have the ability to travel freely and on equal terms with our
>>>>> nondisabled peers.
>>>>> We
>>>>> further urge
>>>>>
>>>>> all guide and service dog training programs to stand with the
>>>>> National Federation of the blind and its National Association of
>>>>> Guide Dog Users to ensure that their consumers are well-informed
>>>>> about their civil rights under the law and take an active role in
>>>>> advocating for those rights.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For more information about the National Association
>>>>> of Guide Dog Users, please visit our website
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://nagdu.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Live the life you want; nobody can stop you!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>>>
>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU)
>>>>>
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>
>>>>> (813) 626-2789
>>>>>
>>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>>>>> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind
>>>>> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is
>>>>> not what holds you back.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> Christopher O’Meally.
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>> Christopher O’Meally.
>>
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> Christopher O’Meally.
>
> NVB of Virginia 2016 leadership fellow.
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